alright, in 2-3 months i will start my second cycle. I will do 500mg of test E every other day for twelve weeks. learning from experience, i will use and anti estr. throughout. Pct i will have hcg and clomid. Will i need to continue nolva after cycle? any other pct stuff I am missing?
Also, if you can think of a stacker that would work well for retained gains with the test, please let me know.
i think your dosage is too high, you don’t need nearly 2 g’s of gear…if you are going to inject EOD, cut it in half…
HCG should be used during the cycle if you are choosing to incorporate it into your cycle plans. it has no place in PCT.
a modest dose of an AI will do you much better during your cycle then running a SERM like nolva.
stacking? maybe add in a jump during the first 4 weeks. d-bol or drol, or even test prop (since you are injecting EOD anyways). you could stack another compund in with the test towards the latter half of the cycle if you wish.
look to the usual suspects that stack synergistically with test when deciding what you want to use. gain retention has less to do with your stack, and more to do with your training, nutrition and ability to recover quickly post cycle.
thank you. this helps.
Your dosage is way too high, how big are you? Doesn’t matter really, if you are freakin’ huge and can maintain that without aas then you don’t need that much gear anyway. I don’t know how much you did last time or your stats now, but I would say 250-500mg twice a week and more like 250, add other complimentary aas if needed/desired.
Keep your anti-estrogen as low as possible, while still being effective - at around 600mg of test I use .25mg Arimidex EOD.
Use Hcg during your cycle preferably to maintain size and Function rather than trying to re-start it later, the other option is using it the two weeks after your last shot while the exogenous steroids are tapering off, sort of a pre-pct, but again you will be trying to RE-gain function that you could have maintained with as little as 500iu per week, plus the fact that you will be maintain endogenous testosterone production which will bring your total blood levels up.
As far as Pct, run your arimidex up to two weeks past your last shot and then switch over to nolvadex or clomid, you mentioned clomid which I do not have much personal experience with, so I could post a generic plan that you could see for yourself, I usually don’t like posting plans without experience, but I would think to start with 300mg the first day and then maintain with 50-100mg or start at 100mg maybe a week earlier and let it build up and maintain.
I would taper off your serm as well, and run it for 4-6 weeks - once you feel recovered drop your dose and maintain for another couple weeks.
I followed your previous thread about your first cycle which got you good results. Depending on where you end up after PCT you may want to consider a test taper following your next cycle. I currently am on week 2 of a taper and have noticed only a minute loss of weight and libido.
As far as stacking with test, deca and dbol are always a good fit. By adding in these compounds you would not need such a massive amount of test. 500mg a week would probably be fine, 750mg tops.
If you would like to play guinea pig, here is a little plan. Run a cycle similar to your previous one, maybe a little more test or you could kick it off with some dbol. I would suggest only adding one new compound per cycle to see how you react to them.
Anyway, run the same length and same training. But in the end run the test taper (like 2thepain mentioned)instead of the traditional PCT. keep track of gains and losses on you current cycle and this future cycle.
I think this would make for a great learning experience for yourself as everyone else on here-especially those who doubt the tapers effectiveness.
say i do 500mg eod. how would i test taper off this? I want to do this right.
read through the test taper thread. It’s all layd out there.
And 500 EOD is WAY too much. If I remember tight you did 400mg/wk on this past cycle?
If it were me I would probably try 500mg/wk and throw in some dbol for the first 4 or 5 weeks.
weeks 1-12: 750 mg test E (1 cc mon-thurs-sat)
weeks 1-4: 30-40 mg D-bol ED
weeks 1-12: 0.5 mg A-dex EOD
week 13: 0.25 mg A-dex EOD
Week 14: 0.25 mg A-dex mon & thurs
weeks 7-12: 40 mg Var ED
HCG ( i don’t think you need it, but you mentioned it) weeks 3-12: 250-500 IU sat and sun
look at the test taper thread and follow the protocol laid out there if that is the direction you want to go. or begin a standard PCT on week 15.
Holy shit Batman! I agree with these other guys. That is WAY too much test unless you are HUGE and have been using AAS for years. You’re talking 1500mg to 2000mg a week! You need to lower that down to 500mg or 750mg a week and add A50 or DBol to give it a good kick start. The amounts you’re talking is overkill if you ask me…