Help! I'm Stuck on a Strict Diet

[quote]Doctor0 wrote:
Oh, that was helpful!
For the record, manorexia would be if he were despondent about his body size/shape, binging and/or purging, as well as chronically abusing (not using) supplements ? especially the illegal kind.
Wanting to make progress, stuck in a rut, trying to decide on his priorities do not qualify as diagnostic indicators.
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manorexia = skinny guy who is terrifed to gain weight because he might not be able to see his precious abs.

gaeveric is manorexic…

he is stuck in a rut because he is terrified to loose site his precious abs…

he is afraid if he eats more and looses site of his abs he won’t receive constant praise at his gym…

if this continues he will always be stuck in a rut…


my post was very helpful…

I encouraged him to eat more food…

the only thing that I forgot was that he may need to see a psychiatrist to overcome his disorder…


one more thing…

f u doctor0!

[quote]gaeveric wrote:
thanks for this post.
i was wondering why there seemed to be a bit of hostility as a respond to my post…[/quote]

Don’s sweat it gaeveric.
Very common thing at this site for members to offer useless advice and make fun of people who are smaller than them, or that don’t share their “vision”. Very highschool locker room mentality unfortunately.

Just ignore the insecure dickheads with the worthless comments and write down the good tips that will help you achieve your goals!

[quote]DPH wrote:
Doctor0 wrote:
Oh, that was helpful!
For the record, manorexia would be if he were despondent about his body size/shape, binging and/or purging, as well as chronically abusing (not using) supplements ? especially the illegal kind.
Wanting to make progress, stuck in a rut, trying to decide on his priorities do not qualify as diagnostic indicators.

manorexia = skinny guy who is terrifed to gain weight because he might not be able to see his precious abs.

gaeveric is manorexic…

he is stuck in a rut because he is terrified to loose site his precious abs…

he is afraid if he eats more and looses site of his abs he won’t receive constant praise at his gym…

if this continues he will always be stuck in a rut…


my post was very helpful…

I encouraged him to eat more food…

the only thing that I forgot was that he may need to see a psychiatrist to overcome his disorder…


one more thing…

f u doctor0![/quote]

Well DPH, I appreciate the sentiment (really, I do) but I am still not clear on how (incorrectly) calling him manorexic helps him achieve his goals. As SKman pointed out, he has been through this before on some of his other threads and essentially been told to figure out why he is (as you note) stuck in a rut. Pathologizing his behavior in the form of inappropriate labels, especially when the evidence does not support the use of such labels, serves only to flame.

Of course, part of the reason I reacted to your post the way I did was because my profession has been at the forefront of pathologizing our lifestyle as a whole. Neither psychology nor psychiatry differentiates between our pursuits and the obsessive, destructive behaviors inherent to a diagnosis of bulimia, anorexia, or body dysmorphic disorder. They see us as too concerned about our bodies, too focused on our appearances, and too interested in monitoring our food intake. Our use of supplements is wrong (and should be outlawed), and our obsession with physicality inappropriate. Hence, we must be sick and in need of testosterone reduction treatments.

No need for us to perpetuate their falsehoods, especially when the facts do not fit.

sven33 thanks alot!
im mean im just hear asking for help and i get shit…
nonsensical.

gaeveric, if you haven’t already read it, check out CT’s new article on carb cycling. Great read!

Hey man,how is it going? I’m a vegetarian too. However,I do drink organic milk.So,I get most of my protein from dairy(milk,whey,hemp,etc.).It works for me.Since you wanna be a meat free muscle head you need to COMBINE different proteins also.For example,have brown rice,a glass of milk,some beens,and vegetables at one meal. Understand?

briliant.
thanks, that is the kind of advice for which i am looking.

[quote]Doctor0 wrote:
DPH wrote:
Doctor0 wrote:
Oh, that was helpful!
For the record, manorexia would be if he were despondent about his body size/shape, binging and/or purging, as well as chronically abusing (not using) supplements ? especially the illegal kind.
Wanting to make progress, stuck in a rut, trying to decide on his priorities do not qualify as diagnostic indicators.

manorexia = skinny guy who is terrifed to gain weight because he might not be able to see his precious abs.

gaeveric is manorexic…

he is stuck in a rut because he is terrified to loose site his precious abs…

he is afraid if he eats more and looses site of his abs he won’t receive constant praise at his gym…

if this continues he will always be stuck in a rut…


my post was very helpful…

I encouraged him to eat more food…

the only thing that I forgot was that he may need to see a psychiatrist to overcome his disorder…


one more thing…

f u doctor0!

Well DPH, I appreciate the sentiment (really, I do) but I am still not clear on how (incorrectly) calling him manorexic helps him achieve his goals. As SKman pointed out, he has been through this before on some of his other threads and essentially been told to figure out why he is (as you note) stuck in a rut. Pathologizing his behavior in the form of inappropriate labels, especially when the evidence does not support the use of such labels, serves only to flame.

Of course, part of the reason I reacted to your post the way I did was because my profession has been at the forefront of pathologizing our lifestyle as a whole. Neither psychology nor psychiatry differentiates between our pursuits and the obsessive, destructive behaviors inherent to a diagnosis of bulimia, anorexia, or body dysmorphic disorder. They see us as too concerned about our bodies, too focused on our appearances, and too interested in monitoring our food intake. Our use of supplements is wrong (and should be outlawed), and our obsession with physicality inappropriate. Hence, we must be sick and in need of testosterone reduction treatments.

No need for us to perpetuate their falsehoods, especially when the facts do not fit.
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gaeveric is a very scrawny kid that is terrified to gain weight because he might loose his ‘six-pack’ abs…

he’ll never gain weight unless he gets over the mental need to look constantly ripped…

he will stay ‘stuck in a rut’ until he overcomes this…

I call it manorexia…you don’t…

whatever label is put to it gaeveric has a mental barrier that he will need to overcome if he ever expects to make gains…

[quote]sven33 wrote:
gaeveric wrote:
thanks for this post.
i was wondering why there seemed to be a bit of hostility as a respond to my post…

Don’s sweat it gaeveric.
Very common thing at this site for members to offer useless advice and make fun of people who are smaller than them, or that don’t share their “vision”. Very highschool locker room mentality unfortunately.

Just ignore the insecure dickheads with the worthless comments and write down the good tips that will help you achieve your goals![/quote]

what is “useless” advice?

As one of my teachers used to say “if your head collides with a book and it sounds hollow are you sure its is the books that?s to blame?”

very lean there dude

In a Clarence Bass stylie eh!

sorry for the apparent hostility don’t know what’s going on there

how about posting up a typical day’s diet and we’ll take a look at it

[quote]gaeveric wrote:
im 138 and 5’8. being around 3-4%BF im as puny as it sounds. ive got relatively decent muscle tone and i love training as hard as possible. i do between 1 and 3 sessions of cardio a week varying in duration but usually around 30-40 minutes each.

my diet is, by others standards, strcit. im vegetarian, eat very little fat and mostly low gylcemic carbs, execpt directly following a lifting session.

im currently losing muscle and enegery. now i have been vegetarina for a long time so the lack of meat isnt doing it. but i need to eat to gain here and it is much harder than staying clean. i never cheat.

the problem is, i love being cut up, the attention and validity i get in the gym is awesome. so the idea of giving up some decent looking striations intentionally is a hard pill to swallow.
give me advice, please!
thanks[/quote]

not to be a dick but you get attention and validity from being 5’8" and 138lbs in your gym. buddy, it’s not hard to have striations when you’re 5’8" and 138. that’s almost non-existent.

my girlfriend is 5’7" and about 140lbs with a full set of abs. do you go to a women’s gym? i guess it’s hard to understand exactly what you’re asking. if you’re worried about losing size and strenght then you MUST up your calories and preferrably protein calories which is hard to do when your a vege. there is basically no way around that. even if you gained 10-20 lbs your BF would still probably be single digits.

I do agree, but “whatever the label” is exactly the point (and why I reacted to your post the way I did) - calling it manorexia means he will not hear your advice no matter how valid it is. It also has the secondary consequence of further society’s perception of us as body-obsessed and over-concerned about how we look naked.

[quote]gaeveric wrote:
sven33 thanks alot!
im mean im just hear asking for help and i get shit…
nonsensical.[/quote]

You are not asking for help! You want more validation that your body is awesome. As I and others have stated–5’8" and 135 is not awesome. I doubt you’re getting the attention and validation from your fellow gym members that you perceive.

You are small and complained of losing muscle and strength. You bragged about your weight and that you don’t eat meats or fats. You never cheat on your diet.

You ask for advice on how to change that and you don’t understand the responses? I mean come on. Not everyone can or wants to be a mass monster, great, but lets not confuse muscular striations with scrawny. Noone is validating your 135 lb frame sir.

You have been given some good advice, some with a little sting, but that is the nature of the site. You need to take in more calories. You need to increase your fat. You need to increase your protein. You need to stop thinking you’re all that.

Dr O or whatever–we all know that you’re a psychiatrist because you didn’t pass the right classes. So get off of your high horse and don’t pretend your field has been on the leading edge of any diagnostic research regarding manorexia/anorexia or much else. The kid needs to eat more. Plain and simple.

[quote]Doctor0 wrote:
I do agree, but “whatever the label” is exactly the point (and why I reacted to your post the way I did) - calling it manorexia means he will not hear your advice no matter how valid it is. It also has the secondary consequence of further society’s perception of us as body-obsessed and over-concerned about how we look naked.[/quote]

how typical–
can we f’n over analyze internet squabble any more than this bunch of horse manure.
Most on this site ARE body-obsessed and concerned how we look naked. That’s what the site is about. How to improve your body
Get over yourself

All this mention of “manorexia” is freaking me out!

I’m not a vegetarian BB’er.

Manor

DPH & doctor0,
Could you guys just take it outside? I think you’re past trying to advise gaeveric; now you’re just going at each other, and this isn’t the thread for that.

gaeveric,

When I read your numbers in your first post, I thought “OMG! This scrawny guy is talking about getting attention in the gym?” Your picture surprised me; the upper back development, and the deltoids and arms, show impressive size and definition for someone who weighs so little at that height. (I’m 5’8" and 180, BTW.)

But your lower back has nothing to it, and I’m guessing that your legs may have very little muscle; it LOOKS like all your effort goes into the upper upper [sic] body. (Without other picsm, I am only surmising; I apologize if I am shortchanging you by “theorizing ahead of my data.”)

Therefore, besides urging you to eat more (not JUST eat more, but eat more with a decent plan in place; read John Berardi’s articles), I’m going to say you need to broaden your lifts. I’m going to sugget that you probably need some serious leg work, and lower back work. The principle of homeostasis will prevent parts of your body from getting disproportionately too big. You need to pay attention to the whole body if you want to bust past this stage.

Yes, that means that squats and lunges (and eating appropriately) that will increase the muscle mass of your legs will actually enable you to increase the size of your upper body.

And remember that this is a long-term pursuit. A month of bulking followed by a month of cutting will probably not produce satisfactory results except under the most rigorous and lucky of conditions. You need to take time to plan your diet carefully, slowly add calories, be unafraid to lose a little definition (don’t let anyone tell you that you have to pig out; you can add 250-500 nutritious calories per day and see results), and do this for months.

You’re young; spending from now until, say, April on a bulking meal plan would still be considered a “short” bulking cycle by those who are serious about gaining mass. Some years ago, I saw a friend for the first time in several years, and he was HUGE, and not fat; he explained “I’m halfway through a two-year bulking cycle.” That kind of long-term thinking impressed the hell out of me, and I try to keep it in mind when contemplating my own goals.

I hope this thread has helped make you think seriously about what you really want, whether it’s realistic, and how you’re going to get there.

[quote]Doctor0 wrote:
I do agree, but “whatever the label” is exactly the point (and why I reacted to your post the way I did) - calling it manorexia means he will not hear your advice no matter how valid it is.
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it’s a catch-22…

give him praise and he won’t progress beyond this point…

give him shit he won’t progress beyond this point…

so I choose to be honest with him…but more than likely with his mental problem he still won’t progress beyond his current stats…

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It also has the secondary consequence of further society’s perception of us as body-obsessed and over-concerned about how we look naked.[/quote]

I could care less what society at large thinks about how over-concerned I am about my desire to lift weights…

society at large in america is nothing but a bunch of fat lazy fucks…

screw them and their perceptions.

ok,doc and DPH,im 16 and me and my friends arent this immature,you’re adults grow up

and to the G-Man,i respect you for gettin that kind of body with no meat,becaues i can honestly say i would rather stab myself,i am sorry that you are getting flamed for being “different”.

if you want to gain weight you do have to include lower body workouts that are just as heavy as your upper body(you havent said anything about your wheels,sorry if im in the wrong)and I’d make sure i read CT’s new carb article,i just read it and am going to give it a try,and lossen your diet a little,hell go have a creme filled donut and enjoy

I like this guy!

Bastard

[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
ok,doc and DPH,im 16 and me and my friends arent this immature,you’re adults grow up
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thankfully for you, maturity and literacy don’t necessarily go hand in hand…

I refuse to grow up…NEVER!