I remember hearing older European men warn that Arabs have to be watched closely and kept on a short leash when in your country. I was appalled. I looked down on them for such racist stupidity. Silly old timers and their outdated ideas.
Now i wholeheartedly agree. Arabs and the beliefs they created and follow are a modern day virus to all Caucasian and Asian peoples. The Asians are smarter then the Caucasians in that they have not opened their minds to the point of their brains falling out.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Still i’ll add, i give every man and woman a honest chance to see the human inside. So don’t label me a racist. Im a realist.
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Nobody’s labeling you anything. But your words speak for themselves.
[i]"All the more reason why i’m becoming a separatist and strongly believe Arabs and people from the middle east should not live in countries run and populated by Caucasians. The two races are so vastly different in their dispositions it’s like mixing oil and water. It will always be a salad bowl society.
I lived in a few countries including France and saw first hand that despite all the efforts whites and arabs or people of arabic cultures will never get along. They haven’t for thousands of years there is a reason for it. They are a primitive peoples with outlooks about a millennium behind the modern world.
If you argue that it’s not the religion then it must be the people themselves. After all, they created the religion. Eitherway. Muslims and middle eastern people don’t mix with Caucasians.
We can disguise the argument as arguing religion but the reason is more fundamental. The two races are as different as Guerrillas and chimps. Seemingly similar but vastly different." [/i]
Guerrilla doesn’t mean what you think it means, but it’s something that a Muslim is credited with.
It’s true. As long as Islam Exists, Arabs will be nothing but trouble to the westernized societies. We are very different in our ideologies ans social structures. Islam cultures are by far still very primitive.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
humble wrote:
As opposed to the ‘anglo’ Australian thugs?
Yeh, easy to forget the Cronulla riots but easy to remember the retaliation.
For your clueless info it is also well known in the Arab communities that the instigators in the cowardly attack against the lifeguards were CHristian arabs not Muslim. The Cronulla riots against innocent beach goers who some happened to be Muslims and others were actually Greek or Inidian then sparked foolish Muslim youth retaliation.
The same scenarios were repeated all over Australia on Australia day this year.
Perhaps your memory escapes you though.
Also hard to remember that these ‘thugs’ you speak of are largely Australian born and bred.
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country.
I wonder about the world you guys live in sometimes. So very marginal and sad that all you see and hear is from tv and you don’t have the gaul or hide to meet real people so instead large it up online.
All the more reason why i’m becoming a separatist and strongly believe Arabs and people from the middle east should not live in countries run and populated by Caucasians. The two races are so vastly different in their dispositions it’s like mixing oil and water. It will always be a salad bowl society.
I lived in a few countries including France and saw first hand that despite all the efforts whites and arabs or people of arabic cultures will never get along. They haven’t for thousands of years there is a reason for it. They are a primitive peoples with outlooks about a millennium behind the modern world. The Muslim religion creates a culture of ignorance and aggression. If you argue that it’s not the religion then it must be the people themselves. After all, they created the religion. Eitherway. Muslims and middle eastern people don’t mix with Caucasians.
We can disguise the argument as arguing religion but the reason is more fundamental. The two races are as different as Guerrillas and chimps. Seemingly similar but vastly different. Some think themselves too enlightened to accept it, on both sides.
Still i’ll add, i give every man and woman a honest chance to see the human inside. So don’t label me a racist. Im a realist.
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Arabs are Caucasian. The problem is not racial. The problem is Islam.
The big mistake that has been made is assuming that geography will change the behavior of Muslims so it won’t be inviting trouble to invite them to move into the west.
What needs to be done is a policy of containment where we contain the Muslims in their part of the world until such time as their societies have evolved to be culturally compatible with the rest of humanity.
As long as Muslim societies are backwards hell holes, Muslims coming from them are going to want to turn the rest of the world into a hell hole.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Still i’ll add, i give every man and woman a honest chance to see the human inside. So don’t label me a racist. Im a realist.
Nobody’s labeling you anything. But your words speak for themselves.
[i]"All the more reason why i’m becoming a separatist and strongly believe Arabs and people from the middle east should not live in countries run and populated by Caucasians. The two races are so vastly different in their dispositions it’s like mixing oil and water. It will always be a salad bowl society.
I lived in a few countries including France and saw first hand that despite all the efforts whites and arabs or people of arabic cultures will never get along. They haven’t for thousands of years there is a reason for it. They are a primitive peoples with outlooks about a millennium behind the modern world.
If you argue that it’s not the religion then it must be the people themselves. After all, they created the religion. Eitherway. Muslims and middle eastern people don’t mix with Caucasians.
We can disguise the argument as arguing religion but the reason is more fundamental. The two races are as different as Guerrillas and chimps. Seemingly similar but vastly different." [/i]
Guerrilla doesn’t mean what you think it means, but it’s something that a Muslim is credited with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_el-Krim[/quote]
Whatever. Your link is supposed to serve what? I happen to think that No country should force it’s way onto another in ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM.
If they can’t communicate civilly, they have to work on it long enough to develop trust and understanding, no matter how long it takes. Humans of different races and beliefs have to let it happen because they want to on both sides. I know it;s idealistic but it’s the only way. Through trust and respect.
As it is today, were far from it. Very VERY far from it. That is why i believe in isolationism. If Islamic Arabs want to live in Europe they have to be prepared to be more European and Certainly to contribute to the society and not isolate themselves while sucking the benefits, all the while hating on and working to change the culture you chose to move to. That’s Dead wrong.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Gregus wrote:
humble wrote:
As opposed to the ‘anglo’ Australian thugs?
Yeh, easy to forget the Cronulla riots but easy to remember the retaliation.
For your clueless info it is also well known in the Arab communities that the instigators in the cowardly attack against the lifeguards were CHristian arabs not Muslim. The Cronulla riots against innocent beach goers who some happened to be Muslims and others were actually Greek or Inidian then sparked foolish Muslim youth retaliation.
The same scenarios were repeated all over Australia on Australia day this year.
Perhaps your memory escapes you though.
Also hard to remember that these ‘thugs’ you speak of are largely Australian born and bred.
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country.
I wonder about the world you guys live in sometimes. So very marginal and sad that all you see and hear is from tv and you don’t have the gaul or hide to meet real people so instead large it up online.
All the more reason why i’m becoming a separatist and strongly believe Arabs and people from the middle east should not live in countries run and populated by Caucasians. The two races are so vastly different in their dispositions it’s like mixing oil and water. It will always be a salad bowl society.
I lived in a few countries including France and saw first hand that despite all the efforts whites and arabs or people of arabic cultures will never get along. They haven’t for thousands of years there is a reason for it. They are a primitive peoples with outlooks about a millennium behind the modern world. The Muslim religion creates a culture of ignorance and aggression. If you argue that it’s not the religion then it must be the people themselves. After all, they created the religion. Eitherway. Muslims and middle eastern people don’t mix with Caucasians.
We can disguise the argument as arguing religion but the reason is more fundamental. The two races are as different as Guerrillas and chimps. Seemingly similar but vastly different. Some think themselves too enlightened to accept it, on both sides.
Still i’ll add, i give every man and woman a honest chance to see the human inside. So don’t label me a racist. Im a realist.
Arabs are Caucasian. The problem is not racial. The problem is Islam.
The big mistake that has been made is assuming that geography will change the behavior of Muslims so it won’t be inviting trouble to invite them to move into the west.
What needs to be done is a policy of containment where we contain the Muslims in their part of the world until such time as their societies have evolved to be culturally compatible with the rest of humanity.
As long as Muslim societies are backwards hell holes, Muslims coming from them are going to want to turn the rest of the world into a hell hole.[/quote]
Agreed on all points with the exception of Arabs being Caucasians. It’s a pointless point to argue so lets just leave it. It does not matter anyway. They developed their societies they way they did because of their genetic predispositions to ideologies. Thats what science tells us today. It’s all genetic.
Cultures don’t create genetics, genetics create the cultures.
[quote]lixy wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
And for your information, 40% of Lebanese are Christians. [/quote]
There is lesson to be learned from that. When Lebanon was created after world war 1 the idea was that because the majority of people there were Christian Lebanon would be a Christian country.
If the number of Muslims moving into a non Muslim country is not restricted it will end up like Lebanon. Because taking over and imposing Islam is the Muslim way.
Religious population statistics
Note: stateless Palestinians and Syrians are not included in the statistics below since they do not hold Lebanese citizenship. The numbers only include the present population of Lebanon, and not the Lebanese diaspora.
The 1932 census stated that Christians made up 55% of the population. Maronites, largest among the Christian sects and then largely in control of the state apparatus, accounted for 29% of the total population. But since the 19th century, Muslim birth rates have been continually higher than Christian birth rates. Also, far larger numbers of Christians emigrated from Lebanon than Muslims. Data varies over time, as of 1985 an estimated data showed Muslims 75% (including Shia, Sunni and Druze) and Christians 25% (Maronite, Orthodox and others)[11].And according to more recent statistics by the CIA Factbook; there are 59.7% of the Lebanese population are Muslims, while 39% are Christians.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Whatever. [/quote]
Educate your monkey ass!
Go tell that to Bush and the people who voted for the man TWICE!
I’d be happy with US non-interventionism.
What about Turks? Wasn’t their country a founding member of the Council of Europe?
I agree with the sentiment. How about you generalize it to all people, instead of singling out “Islamic Arabs [who] want to live in Europe”.
Again, I agree. But blaming the “Islamic Arabs” for the isolation is like blaming black folks for the color of their skin in the US. Both, in the same proportions, “isolate themselves while sucking the benefits”.
Hating is bad. Be it “Arabs” hating non-Arabs, or people like you hating Arabs. Both groups are scum.
Now, “working to change the culture” isn’t necessarily a bad thing. More often than not, progressionism is The Right Way™ to go. Cultures around the world are f*cked up because of the lack of will to work towards changing. Not the other way around.
And this is just a hunch, but it seems to me that the loudest and most militant people didn’t really “chose to move” anywhere. Their parents or grandparents did.
If Muhammed knew about Jesus, why the hell did he have to invent another religion?
Christianity is based upon selfless and unconditional love. What did he find wrong with that, to inspire him to the Quran?
While I disagree with the Christian concepts above, it seems to me that a religion that purportedly accepts Jesus as a great teacher wouldn’t need anything else.
Maybe it wasn’t GOD who was speaking to Muhammed…
Maybe?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If Muhammed knew about Jesus, why the hell did he have to invent another religion? [/quote]
The idea is that Mohammed didn’t “invent another religion”. It’s (supposedly) the same message since Abraham and, invariably, it got corrupted over time.
Now, the main reason behind the need for a revival was people thinking that Jesus was God, the son of God or something to that regard. The Quran tells a tale of a man (Mohammed) who wasn’t particularly thrilled - initially - about that “revival” burden.
The rest is history. Pick up a book.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If Muhammed knew about Jesus, why the hell did he have to invent another religion?
Christianity is based upon selfless and unconditional love. What did he find wrong with that, to inspire him to the Quran?
While I disagree with the Christian concepts above, it seems to me that a religion that purportedly accepts Jesus as a great teacher wouldn’t need anything else.
Maybe it wasn’t GOD who was speaking to Muhammed…
Maybe?[/quote]
If Paul of Tarsus knew about Jesus, why the hell did he have to invent another religion?
Christianity is based upon selfless and unconditional love. What did he find wrong with that, to inspire him to the Epistles?
While I disagree with the Christian concepts above, it seems to me that a religion that purportedly accepts Jesus as a great teacher wouldn’t need anything else.
Maybe it wasn’t JESUS who was speaking to Paul…
Maybe?
(I put on my flame-retardant cloak and wizard hat, snickering to myself…)
Hope this is legible.
[quote]humble wrote:
Aussie486’s method - Muslim who has a beer with him, hangs out at the pub with him, has a girlfriend, goes out to club, doesn’t pray, fast pay charity tax or make pilgrimage = Top Muslim!
Never mind that Islam forbids alcohol, hanging out at pubs, non marital relations, clubbing and has obligations regarding prayer, fasting and charity as well as pilgrimage. All that is irrelevant.
Great thought process there, we’re going to get real far.
He started his his business down the rd from where you train… Riiiigggghhhtt. That makes you bosom buddies by default. Hang on… he spotted you a set too. Soul mates!
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You really are one piece of work wih a major chip on your shoulder, as you state only god would know then you carry on like a little girl.
As i know him he never drank(like myself) lived in his shop until he was successfull, married to one of his first girlfriend and cared for his family and remained true to his religion, if you would have been to his funeral you wouldn’t be making these comments you disrespectfull punk.
Have a good look in the mirror and you will see whats wrong with Muslims in Australia today.
I'm done with you, you are a ignorant racist bigot.
As in most western european countries Holland is in the middle of seperatation between muslims and non-muslims. Mostly that’s not the fault of non-muslims!
Being a socalled feminine culture Holland has fallen for it’s own myth of tolorance which is actually not giving a shit about the socio-cultural chancge which started around 25-30 years ago. After reading the book “clash of civilisations” and webistes like “The pen versus the sword” seeing the parallel in Holland i worry that there is no turning back.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
humble wrote:
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Are you kidding?
Lebanese Civil War - Wikipedia
The Lebanese Civil War lasted for 15 years beginning in 1975 and ending in 1990. The 15 year war resulted in an estimated 130,000 to 250,000 civilian fatalities. An additional 1 million (a 3rd of the population) people wounded of whom 50% were left with lifetime disabilities.
Date April 13, 1975 - October 13, 1990
Location Lebanon
Result
* An estimated 130,000-250,000 people killed (some report the number much higher),
* 1,000,000 wounded half of whom were left with lifetime disability
* billions of dollars of damage, collapse of the economy
* complete destruction of central Beirut
* Presence of a multitude of foreign troops, foreign occupation and invasion.
* Israeli occupation resulted in the creation of Hezbollah.
.[/quote]
Sifu, stop making sense,
I let this one go but the key word is that there is something wrong HERE with the youth culture, Australia has to deal with this scum now, no acceptence of responsilbily, no nothing, just play the victim card, its not me, its everyone else's fault.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
humble wrote:
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Are you kidding?
Lebanese Civil War - Wikipedia
The Lebanese Civil War lasted for 15 years beginning in 1975 and ending in 1990. The 15 year war resulted in an estimated 130,000 to 250,000 civilian fatalities. An additional 1 million (a 3rd of the population) people wounded of whom 50% were left with lifetime disabilities.
Date April 13, 1975 - October 13, 1990
Location Lebanon
Result
* An estimated 130,000-250,000 people killed (some report the number much higher),
* 1,000,000 wounded half of whom were left with lifetime disability
* billions of dollars of damage, collapse of the economy
* complete destruction of central Beirut
* Presence of a multitude of foreign troops, foreign occupation and invasion.
* Israeli occupation resulted in the creation of Hezbollah.
.
Sifu, stop making sense,
I let this one go but the key word is that there is something wrong HERE with the youth culture, Australia has to deal with this scum now, no acceptence of responsilbily, no nothing, just play the victim card, its not me, its everyone else’s fault.
[/quote]
I’n not certain what the above facts are supposed to tell us. The people in Lebabon lived in relative peace for several hundred years before the war. I fail to see more than a weak causal connection with the Lebanon war and the immigration problem in Australia.
Repeating or shouting that islam is the problem doesn’t really tell us anything and is good for nothing, unless your goal is to get rid of islam once and for all.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
humble wrote:
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Are you kidding?
Lebanese Civil War - Wikipedia
The Lebanese Civil War lasted for 15 years beginning in 1975 and ending in 1990. The 15 year war resulted in an estimated 130,000 to 250,000 civilian fatalities. An additional 1 million (a 3rd of the population) people wounded of whom 50% were left with lifetime disabilities.
Date April 13, 1975 - October 13, 1990
Location Lebanon
Result
* An estimated 130,000-250,000 people killed (some report the number much higher),
* 1,000,000 wounded half of whom were left with lifetime disability
* billions of dollars of damage, collapse of the economy
* complete destruction of central Beirut
* Presence of a multitude of foreign troops, foreign occupation and invasion.
* Israeli occupation resulted in the creation of Hezbollah.
.
Sifu, stop making sense,
I let this one go but the key word is that there is something wrong HERE with the youth culture, Australia has to deal with this scum now, no acceptence of responsilbily, no nothing, just play the victim card, its not me, its everyone else’s fault.
I’n not certain what the above facts are supposed to tell us. The people in Lebabon lived in relative peace for several hundred years before the war. I fail to see more than a weak causal connection with the Lebanon war and the immigration problem in Australia.
Repeating or shouting that islam is the problem doesn’t really tell us anything and is good for nothing, unless your goal is to get rid of islam once and for all.[/quote]
After reading your post I would have to say that this stuff does need repeating. Because you are just not getting it.
Lebanon used to be a Christian country, where Muslims were a minority. But because they didn’t limit Muslim immigration and the birth rate of the Christians was lower than the Muslims, the Christians eventually became the minority. Shortly after that is when the civil war started.
In Australia we see this trend repeating itself just as it has so many times before. Humble made this remark “Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon” about the strife that Lebanese Muslims have brought to Australia.
As if to say that what is happening there because of the Muslims is the fault of the Australians.
This is because the Muslim view of the non Muslim world is that we are the “Dar el Harb” or the world of war. This way the Muslims can always lay blame on everyone else for the strife they cause.
Clearly what is needed is for us in the dar el harb to finally set healthy boundaries. Because right now what is happening in countries like Australia, Holland, Britain is there are no boundaries.
Read up a little on psychological boundaries and you will see what is going on more clearly.
"The First Step
Your first step will be to overcome the pernicious belief that you are worthless. Like any abused child you developed this belief to tolerate your lack of resistance to abuse. If you can convince yourself that you?re worthless, then you can more easily justify not resisting anything that degrades your value."
People in the West have lost the sense that our liberal, democratic societies have worth and should be protected.
"The Second Step
Your second step will be to understand that healthy boundaries derive from love, not fear.
For example, you will often see so-called ?nice? persons who always appear to sacrifice themselves for others. They give the impression that capitulating to others promotes peace and that boundaries are selfish?but many of these persons are motivated by an unconscious need to keep the ?peace? because of a fear of getting hurt. Such persons usually come from dysfunctional families, and they themselves may have played the unconscious ?family role? of peacekeeper. The real motive for their behavior, though, is fear, not love."
Does this sound familiar to any of you? Like letting the Muslims flood into our part of the world and run riot is keeping the peace.
But if someone speaks out against the lack of healthy boundaries they get accused of fear or a phobia. Like Islamaphobia.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
…[/quote]
Hm, Sifu, your linking of psychology and immigration related problems does seem a bit shaky to me, but it is definitely better than blaming islam all the time.
Now, I’m not particularly fond of islam as a religion and have really no wish to defend it, but I do have an aversion to simplistic explanations.
Islamic cultures especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan do have charasteristics that are deeply incompatible with western values. Their attitude towards women is the most troubling in my eyes. On the other hand, I see refugees from Iran here and they seem to be totally civilized and compatible with us.
What we have is a mixture of several problems, immigration, overpopulation, unequality and poverty, lack of education, unhealthy cultural traits, totalitarianism, powerstruggle and on and on. To say that the cause of all of this is islam is simplistic and devoid of any explanatory power. Immigration causes problems, always. Overpopulation does it too. Idle young males is always a problem. Unemployment is always a problem and I’m a bit worried if recession continues.
And I do agree with you, the immigration policies in several European countries have been stupid and shortsighted. Many of the problems could have been ameliorated with stricter and sounder politics.
About the original topic, when somebody thinks that organized crime is on “our side” in the fight against muslims, that makes me worried too. As many people noticed in the 1930´s, the people were going insane, their thinking became insane. And that is a part of the problem, not of a solution.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
You really are one piece of work wih a major chip on your shoulder, as you state only god would know then you carry on like a little girl. [/quote]
Lmao, yeh ok… if you say so.
Oh I forgot, Muslim… Lebanese parents… Australian born, yep… Chip on shoulder by default. Gotchya!
Yes only God would know but I carried on with what you deem is acceptable. I bet you’d cringe every time you saw him kneel and prostrate 5 times a day, you know being bosom buddies I’m sure you’ve seen him do that. Or perhaps you’re fond of him ducking off to the bathroom 5 times a day and making ablution.
Ausie486 mentality: He must be dirty if he needs to wash 5 times a day therefore all Muslims are dirty.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
As i know him he never drank(like myself) lived in his shop until he was successfull, married to one of his first girlfriend and cared for his family and remained true to his religion, if you would have been to his funeral you wouldn’t be making these comments you disrespectfull punk.[/quote]
All information attained from a magazine in the Saturday/Sunday Daily telegraph. Go on, share the bosom buddy goss?
Hmm. I see 32 y/o male, 3 kids, wife, lives in the suburbs. Works 9-5, trains 7-9, works 10-1, sleeps. Never been in trouble with the police, worked for prestigous companies in the last 10 years, never drank, never done drugs, never assaulted a person outside the ring. I guess all my Muslim and non Muslim friends like me must be the problem with Australia today.
Never mind the massive social engineering project gone wrong from the inception of the country. Never mind the rape and whoring of a whole nation of indigenous people in 1788 and the consequences that follow on a spiritual level irrespective of technological advances.
You think you love your country? Pffft, you haven’t got the balls to tell your country what is wrong with it other than looking to things you can point your finger at.
The very inception of the country is reaping dividends now.
Are all Australians like this? Hell no, but get real with your ideas about what is wrong with this country before you point the finger to a minority population that barely registers on the scale.
Yes I’m ignorant and racist, living in the communities you speak of and been working with youth of the community since 2000. I’m ignorant and you know it all residing in a shop in Melbourne reading your daily telecrap.