[quote]MichaelAndersen wrote:
Sorry to say guys… …that you’re way off track… This case is not about race or politics… …its all about controlling the Hash-market in Denmark - and especially Copenhagen… [/quote]
Stop making sense!
The hash market. LOL. Is that like trying to control the red wine market? the ice tea market? No no i know, it’s like trying to control the coffee market.
Seriously do you know anything about drugs to make such a statement? lol. Hash Market.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Seriously do you know anything about drugs to make such a statement? lol. Hash Market. [/quote]
Seriously, do YOU know anything about Denmark?
Being European, you tell me.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Sometimes its like shooting ducks at the fair, take for instance the Mufti in NSW, you know the wanker who is widely reported, not a good look for any religion, thats what the general public here in Oz perceives Muslims to be like. It seems there is a large segement of Muslims who go MIA when wankers like him mouth off.[/quote]
You mean widely misreported and picked on.
His challenge until today has not been met. Therefore the general media and public wears the masking tape over their mouths as they failed to prove any of their claims.
Australian media has become nothing more than the lap dog of American media and you know it.
If you don’t then here, sharpen your senses with this:
[quote]humble wrote:
As for history, you’re mistaken. It was the violent Mongol Shamanism and Buddhism of the Khans that terrorized the Muslim world and all this eventually withered away with each successor after Abaqas fall.
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In the Ilkhans maybe, but wasn’t there a war between the Shamanist and Muslim Mongols in Mongulistan, and didn’t Timur eventually win this war and unite most of the mongol hordes, minus the Golden Horde, (who he defeated) and ravage most of the Middle East, and parts of Russia and India. By his own account Timur was the greatest conquereror of all time.
and didn’t Babur, half related to Timur, half to a Mongol Khakhan unite the tribes in Afghanistan and ride into India to set up the Mughul Empire?
There were terrible wars fought by Islamic Mongols for 200 or more years after the death of Genghis Khan and the fall of the Ilkhans in Iran.
[quote]lixy wrote:
MichaelAndersen wrote:
Sorry to say guys… …that you’re way off track… This case is not about race or politics… …its all about controlling the Hash-market in Denmark - and especially Copenhagen…
Stop making sense![/quote]
Hey you know what? You can always leave Sweden and move to a more Muslim dominant culture. Maybe Afghanistan? Take your savings and buy some land, build a house and be happy. That way you won’t have to be a hypocrite every time you take a stance on these issues. Seriously. Consider it. Noone is forcing you to wanna be around all the Nordic peoples.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
MichaelAndersen wrote:
Sorry to say guys… …that you’re way off track… This case is not about race or politics… …its all about controlling the Hash-market in Denmark - and especially Copenhagen…
Stop making sense!
Hey you know what? You can always leave Sweden and move to a more Muslim dominant culture. Maybe Afghanistan? Take your savings and buy some land, build a house and be happy. That way you won’t have to be a hypocrite every time you take a stance on these issues. Seriously. Consider it. Noone is forcing you to wanna be around all the Nordic peoples.
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lame
[quote]Gregus wrote:
The hash market. LOL. Is that like trying to control the red wine market? the ice tea market? No no i know, it’s like trying to control the coffee market.
Seriously do you know anything about drugs to make such a statement? lol. Hash Market. [/quote]
Christiana had the same problems but instead the bikers were peddling harder drugs.
[quote]humble wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
You mean widely misreported and picked on.
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Speaking of lame, picked on, he spoke and he was called his statements. Don't u get sick of playing the victim card.
In re to your you tube vid, bit sad really, i could post up any number of youtube vids of Muslim clerics in Australia carrying on like wankers but again as you point out with the media being the lap dogs of america, these so called 'speakers' for the Islamic faith in Australia are the lap dogs of the terrorists.
Untill we have some true men of Islamic faith emerge will be stuck with these false prophets, sad really considering the extensive and productive history of Islam in Australia since white settlement.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
humble wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
You mean widely misreported and picked on.
Speaking of lame, picked on, he spoke and he was called his statements. Don't u get sick of playing the victim card.
In re to your you tube vid, bit sad really, i could post up any number of youtube vids of Muslim clerics in Australia carrying on like wankers but again as you point out with the media being the lap dogs of america, these so called 'speakers' for the Islamic faith in Australia are the lap dogs of the terrorists.
Untill we have some true men of Islamic faith emerge will be stuck with these false prophets, sad really considering the extensive and productive history of Islam in Australia since white settlement.
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I don’t know about where you come from in Australia, but where I’m from the problems with the muslims doesn’t come from a worry about terrorism or what imams are saying, it comes from the muslim thugs as seen in this video: Lebo Thugs - original video - YouTube
and this (ignore the title): BANKSTOWN ARABS VS AUBURN TURKS in Cronulla - STABBING AUSSIES WHITE MAN - YouTube
As opposed to the ‘anglo’ Australian thugs?
Yeh, easy to forget the Cronulla riots but easy to remember the retaliation.
For your clueless info it is also well known in the Arab communities that the instigators in the cowardly attack against the lifeguards were CHristian arabs not Muslim. The Cronulla riots against innocent beach goers who some happened to be Muslims and others were actually Greek or Inidian then sparked foolish Muslim youth retaliation.
The same scenarios were repeated all over Australia on Australia day this year.
Perhaps your memory escapes you though.
Also hard to remember that these ‘thugs’ you speak of are largely Australian born and bred.
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country.
I wonder about the world you guys live in sometimes. So very marginal and sad that all you see and hear is from tv and you don’t have the gaul or hide to meet real people so instead large it up online.
[quote]humble wrote:
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country
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Well funny you should ask that, one of the higest profile muslims who develped his own Mobile phone empire had his first shop just down from the gym I train in, he used to be a regular trainer there before he died suddenly. He was someone who was interested in everyone and was a great example of a solid man, he often expressed to me the disappointment he felt with fuckheads like the Mufti aand his ilk, using the Islamic faith as a vehicle for their intolerance.
But then again, its easier to keep your head in the sand, feed those sterotypes and bung up a few more useless you tube vids.
[quote]humble wrote:
so instead large it up online.
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And you would know all about that wouldn’t you.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
I don’t know about where you come from in Australia, but where I’m from the problems with the muslims doesn’t come from a worry about terrorism or what imams are saying, it comes from the muslim thugs as seen in this video: Lebo Thugs - original video - YouTube [/quote]
Hmmm…so punks doing drugs, pimping cars, flashing their assholish haircuts and weapons are “muslims” now?
And for your information, 40% of Lebanese are Christians.
[quote]humble wrote:
As opposed to the ‘anglo’ Australian thugs?
Yeh, easy to forget the Cronulla riots but easy to remember the retaliation.
For your clueless info it is also well known in the Arab communities that the instigators in the cowardly attack against the lifeguards were CHristian arabs not Muslim. The Cronulla riots against innocent beach goers who some happened to be Muslims and others were actually Greek or Inidian then sparked foolish Muslim youth retaliation.
The same scenarios were repeated all over Australia on Australia day this year.
Perhaps your memory escapes you though.
Also hard to remember that these ‘thugs’ you speak of are largely Australian born and bred.
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon.
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country.
I wonder about the world you guys live in sometimes. So very marginal and sad that all you see and hear is from tv and you don’t have the gaul or hide to meet real people so instead large it up online.
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All the more reason why i’m becoming a separatist and strongly believe Arabs and people from the middle east should not live in countries run and populated by Caucasians. The two races are so vastly different in their dispositions it’s like mixing oil and water. It will always be a salad bowl society.
I lived in a few countries including France and saw first hand that despite all the efforts whites and arabs or people of arabic cultures will never get along. They haven’t for thousands of years there is a reason for it. They are a primitive peoples with outlooks about a millennium behind the modern world. The Muslim religion creates a culture of ignorance and aggression. If you argue that it’s not the religion then it must be the people themselves. After all, they created the religion. Eitherway. Muslims and middle eastern people don’t mix with Caucasians.
We can disguise the argument as arguing religion but the reason is more fundamental. The two races are as different as Guerrillas and chimps. Seemingly similar but vastly different. Some think themselves too enlightened to accept it, on both sides.
Still i’ll add, i give every man and woman a honest chance to see the human inside. So don’t label me a racist. Im a realist.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
humble wrote:
Of course you will continue your parade because I doubt you know any real Muslims who are out in the communities or working their tails off establishing multi-million dollar businesses, paying taxes and silently contributing to the country
Well funny you should ask that, one of the higest profile muslims who develped his own Mobile phone empire had his first shop just down from the gym I train in, he used to be a regular trainer there before he died suddenly. He was someone who was interested in everyone and was a great example of a solid man, he often expressed to me the disappointment he felt with fuckheads like the Mufti aand his ilk, using the Islamic faith as a vehicle for their intolerance.
But then again, its easier to keep your head in the sand, feed those sterotypes and bung up a few more useless you tube vids.
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That’s your problem! You think John Ilhan is a good example of Islam.
The guy is rich and famous, God rest his soul but hardly a complete practitioner of his faith.
A decent man nonetheless but not what you call someone who is a model representative of Islam. God knows what he did in his spare time and word is amongst the community he was generous with what God had given him but here’s the irony…
According to you and many like you, this is how you calculate whether someone is a good representative of their religon.
You observe his ability to mould himself into one of you. You disect his outward actions and measure them against your own ideals. If they fit, then voila, he’s a great bloke.
That’s plain moronic and dishonest.
In reality if you want to know whether someone is a good practitioner of their religon you have to become educated in what their religon asks of them. Then you measure his actions, both private and public against what his religon stipulates and come to conclusions.
Aussie486’s method - Muslim who has a beer with him, hangs out at the pub with him, has a girlfriend, goes out to club, doesn’t pray, fast pay charity tax or make pilgrimage = Top Muslim!
Never mind that Islam forbids alcohol, hanging out at pubs, non marital relations, clubbing and has obligations regarding prayer, fasting and charity as well as pilgrimage. All that is irrelevant.
Great thought process there, we’re going to get real far.
He started his his business down the rd from where you train… Riiiigggghhhtt. That makes you bosom buddies by default. Hang on… he spotted you a set too. Soul mates!
[quote]humble wrote:
As opposed to the ‘anglo’ Australian thugs?
Yeh, easy to forget the Cronulla riots but easy to remember the retaliation.
For your clueless info it is also well known in the Arab communities that the instigators in the cowardly attack against the lifeguards were CHristian arabs not Muslim. The Cronulla riots against innocent beach goers who some happened to be Muslims and others were actually Greek or Inidian then sparked foolish Muslim youth retaliation.
The same scenarios were repeated all over Australia on Australia day this year.
Perhaps your memory escapes you though.
Also hard to remember that these ‘thugs’ you speak of are largely Australian born and bred.
Something deeply wrong with the youth culture here because we don’t see this kind of behavior in Lebanon. [/quote]
Are you kidding?
Lebanese Civil War - Wikipedia
The Lebanese Civil War lasted for 15 years beginning in 1975 and ending in 1990. The 15 year war resulted in an estimated 130,000 to 250,000 civilian fatalities. An additional 1 million (a 3rd of the population) people wounded of whom 50% were left with lifetime disabilities.
Date April 13, 1975 - October 13, 1990
Location Lebanon
Result
* An estimated 130,000-250,000 people killed (some report the number much higher),
* 1,000,000 wounded half of whom were left with lifetime disability
* billions of dollars of damage, collapse of the economy
* complete destruction of central Beirut
* Presence of a multitude of foreign troops, foreign occupation and invasion.
* Israeli occupation resulted in the creation of Hezbollah.
You forgot to mention Lebanese rape gangs.
The Sydney gang rapes were a series of gang rape attacks by a group of up to fourteen Lebanese Australian men led by Bilal Skaf against Anglo-Celtic Australian teenage girls, as young as 14, in Sydney Australia in 2000. The crimes ? described as ethnically motivated hate crimes by some commentators [1][2][3] ? saw blanket media coverage, the passing of new laws, and the trumpeting of “more than 240 years” in jail time handed out to the nine men. In court transcripts, Judge Michael Finnane mused that the rapes were events “you hear about or read about only in the context of wartime atrocities”.[4]
Attacks
Attackers
* Bilal Skaf was said to have led and orchestrated the three August 2000 attacks. He was initially sentenced to a total of 55 years imprisonment but had his prison time reduced by the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeal to 28 years, with parole available after 22 years. However, on 28 July 2006 Acting Justice Jane Mathews added another ten years to his sentence for his role in the 12 August rape (his original conviction over the attack was quashed in 2004 and a retrial was ordered after it was revealed that two jurors had conducted their own investigations at Gosling Park).[12] Bilal Skaf will now be eligible for release on 11 February 2033. In March 2003, Skaf was charged with sending mail containing white powder to a corrections department official from prison in an apparent hoax terrorist act.[13]
* Mohammed Skaf, younger brother of Bilal Skaf was also said to have been one of the gang rape attackers. He was sentenced to 32 years for his role in the gang rapes but has also had his sentence reduced on appeal, to 19 years with a non-parole period of 11 years. However, on 28 July 2006 he received an additional 15 years, with a minimum of seven and a half years over the Gosling Park attack. Mohammed Skaf will now be eligible for release on 1 July 2019.[6] Skaf showed no remorse for his crimes, making sexually inappropriate remarks to female staff at the Kariong juvenile facility where he was incarcerated, and continued to blame his victims for initially agreeing to go with him because "they came out with us as soon as I asked them."[14]
* Belal Hajeid, then aged 20, was another gang rapist who was convicted and imprisoned for 23 years with a non-parole period of 15 years. Hajeid had his sentence later reduced on appeal.
* Mohammed Sanoussi, then 18, gang rapist who was sentenced to 21 years with a non-parole period of 12 years for the August 10 and 30 rapes. Sanoussi had his sentence later reduced on appeal. Shortly after his conviction, Sanoussi's brother and cousin were banned from visiting him in prison for three months after a rowdy clash with staff at the Kariong Juvenile Justice Centre where he was incarcerated. Shouting broke out when staff removed the visitors after they had tried to pass newspaper clippings to the brothers about their sentencing the previous day.[15]
* Mahmoud Sanoussi, then 17, is the brother of Mohammed Sanoussi who was sentenced to 11 years and three months imprisonment with parole available after six-and-a-half years. Mahmoud Sanoussi unsuccessfully appealed against his sentence in 2005.
* Mahmoud Chami, (then 20) - attacker sentenced to 18 years with a non-parole period of ten years. Chami unsuccessfully appealed against his sentence in 2004.
* "H" (Identity sealed: H has had his name suppressed under court order due to his "intellectual and mental disabilities"[16]), (then 19), was sentenced to 25 years with a non-parole period of 15 years. 'H' had his sentence reduced later on appeal.
* Tayyab Sheikh, then 18, was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment with a non-parole period of nine years for his role in the August 30 rape. Sheik however received a retrial where he was sentenced to eight years and six months imprisonment with a non-parole period of four years and six months. Sheik was released from prison in late June 2007. [17]
* Mohammed Ghanem, then 19, was the final person to be sentenced and was imprisoned for 40 years with a non-parole period of 26 years for two counts of rape. Ghanem, like his co-offenders Bilal Skaf and Mohammed Skaf has shown no remorse for his actions, effectively opting to "tough it out" at the Kariong Juvenile Justice Centre where he was detained while awaiting his trial.[18]
There was evidence to convict only nine men of the fourteen suspects, and in total over 240 years of prison time was handed out for the rapes.
10 August 2000, Thursday
Attackers offered a ride and a portion of marijuana to two teenage girls aged 17 and 18. The women were taken by the attackers to Northcote Park, Greenacre where more collaborators were waiting. The women were then forced to fellate eight males.[5]
12 August 2000, Saturday
A 16-year-old girl was brought to Gosling Park, Greenacre by who she believed was her friend, 17-year-old Mohammed Skaf. At the park she was raped by Mohammed’s brother Bilal Skaf, and one other man, with twelve other men present who she said were “standing around, laughing and talking in their own language”.[6] The second man was said to have held a gun to her head and kicked her in the stomach, before she was able to escape.[7]
30 August 2000, Wednesday
Another woman was approached by attackers at the Bankstown train station, who proposed she join them in smoking some marijuana at another location. She agreed and went with them, however she was taken to three separate locations by the men, raped 25 times by a total of fourteen men, in an ordeal that lasted six hours. After the attacks the woman was said to have been hosed down with a fire hose. The woman, who was known during the trial as ‘C’ to protect her identity, later told her story to 60 Minutes. She told of how the attackers called her an “Aussie Pig”, asked her if “Leb cock tasted better than Aussie cock” and explained to her that she would now be raped “Leb-style”.[8]
4 September 2000, Monday
Two women, both 16, were taken by the attackers from Beverly Hills train station to a house in another suburb, where three men repeatedly raped them over a period of five hours. One of the victims was told that “You deserve it because you’re an Australian”.[9]
Further attempted attacks
A further series of gang rapes were said to have been attempted, but thwarted. Four of the attackers were also convicted for an attack on Friday 4 August 2000 when they approached a fourteen-year-old girl on a train where she was threatened with violence, punched twice and slapped,[10] told that she would be forced to perform fellatio on several men and that she was going to be raped.[11]
Racial controversy
Conservative commentators such as Miranda Devine claimed that the crimes were racially motivated hate crimes[1][2][3] The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the rapists were said to have stated to a victim, during the attack, “You deserve it because you’re an Australian” and “I’m going to fuck you Leb style”.
At the same time, the crimes have been cited by Muslim Australians as contributing to an increase in racial vilification towards the Muslim community.[19]
[edit] New laws
The public uproar caused by the gang rapes led to the passage of new legislation through the Parliament of New South Wales, dramatically increasing the sentences for gang rapists by creating a new category of crime known as aggravated sexual assault in company.[20] Also in the course of one of the trials, the defendants refused counsel as they believed that “all lawyers were against Muslims”. This led to the contentious prospect of the defendants being able to cross examine the witnesses themselves,[citation needed] a situation that was averted by further legislation being put through the New South Wales parliament.[21]
Actions taken by government ministers, including the then Premier of New South Wales, Bob Carr, who publicly identified the perpetrators’ background, led to controversy. Ethnic community group leaders, including Keysar Trad of the Lebanese Muslim Association complained that Carr was smearing the entire Lebanese Muslim community with the crimes of a few of its members, and that his public comments would stir up ethnic hatred. [22]
The first court case heard under the new sentencing regime concerned the gang rapes of two women by Pakistani immigrants in Ashfield on July 28, 2002.