[quote]dmaddox wrote:
In Christianity it is not about you convincing or “selling” someone on your faith. It takes the Holy Spirit to change your heart. [/quote]
I think most people would have a better mind set in RE: Christianity if all Christians felt that way.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
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Maybe you can answer that for us. I am really wanting to hear this.[/quote]
I’m not V, but I will answer this. If Jesus appeared to me and (without my having taken any drugs) told me who he was, performed a miracle, and then advised me to become a Christian, I might convert.
I know a lot of y’all believe Christianity is nothing more than Subjective Truth. I can also understand why y’all think that way. This subjective truth will one day become Objective Truth. To everyone.
I believe what 30 Jewish followers of Jesus said is objective truth. Most of them went to their death believing in that objective truth. I am not a huge fan of organized religions. I have only the Bible to guide my path. I love the Lord with all my heart, my mind, and my strength. I also love my neighbor as myself. You all are my friends.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
simply a creation of man in his infancy [/quote]
It would be pretty arrogant to assume we aren’t still in our infancy.
But I mean, iPhone and all, amirite?[/quote]
Does the tacocopter seem like the doing of a being in its infancy? Can dreams of such awesome and numinous dimensions even fit inside the head of child?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I have seen the scientific theories about how the world came into existence, and I see it jiving with the Creation story in the Bible. In this scientific theory there are so many possible outcomes and everything lining up perfectly that without God we would not be here. If the earth had been a couple hundred miles closer or farther from the sun (no liquid water)…
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Just for clarifications sake, in a given year the earth will be between 147 and 152 million kilometers away from the sun because of its elliptical orbit. That’s quite a bit more than a couple hundred miles. [/quote]
lol. You know what I was getting at.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
In Christianity it is not about you convincing or “selling” someone on your faith. It takes the Holy Spirit to change your heart. [/quote]
I think most people would have a better mind set in RE: Christianity if all Christians felt that way. [/quote]
Maybe you should get to know more Christians than just believing what you see on TV, and those televangelists.
I don’t really understand why it’s a concern to non-believers.
I’ve also never understood the idea that believers “waste” their lives believing in the things we do. How does one waste a life that has no objective values, obligations, or ends? If there is no universal law that says we must live as Dawkinistas, then why must we, to make “proper use” of our time?
In a godless universe, with no objective morality/laws, any state of living is “right.” Keeping in mind that no way of living can be truly “wrong.” It just is.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
In Christianity it is not about you convincing or “selling” someone on your faith. It takes the Holy Spirit to change your heart. [/quote]
I think most people would have a better mind set in RE: Christianity if all Christians felt that way. [/quote]
Maybe you should get to know more Christians than just believing what you see on TV, and those televangelists.
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I grew up in a religion , 6 days a week and twice on Sunday . If there is a god he would loath the religions i have witnessed
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I’m not trying to piss anyone off. [/quote]
Well, your post to Pat previous to this surely isn’t proof of this.
There is a way to be atheist or have discussion with Faithful as a non-believer and not be an insulting boar, smashing through the conversation demeaning everything that doesn’t fit in your personal belief box… I’ve done it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I don’t really understand why it’s a concern to non-believers.
I’ve also never understood the idea that believers “waste” their lives believing in the things we do. How does one waste a life that has no objective values, obligations, or ends? If there is no universal law that says we must live as Dawkinistas, then why must we, to make “proper use” of our time?
In a godless universe, with no objective morality/laws, any state of living is “right.” Keeping in mind that no way of living can be truly “wrong.” It just is.[/quote]
It is not a binary proposition, either the Christian/Abrahamic God or nothing all. There are an infinite number of beliefs that fit in between.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
What about aliens do they go to hell 2? If all the cheaters go to hell who do there spouses bang in heaven? Do they just have to remarry some other chick/dude if so do they gotta stay together… what about cavemen do they go to hell? That seems pretty unfair since they were too dumb 4 rules & stuff[/quote]
Come on, these are silly questions. I mean, I get that you are at least nominally Jewish, if one can take your screen name at face value. I feel like perhaps a Jewish person might have a little less of a flip line of questioning another religion. I mean, first we don’t even know there is any other intelligent life in the universe–you can say “oh it has to be so because of the number of star systems in the observable universe” and I might even agree with you. But it is sheer speculation at this point that there is any other life out there and you know it, so your question is irrelevant. As for your caveman comment, I believe it’s pretty common knowledge to anyone who’s studied the bible, Christian or not, that there exists an entire theme throughout that book that is essentially summed up in the words “before ignorance was excused, but now you should know”.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
In Christianity it is not about you convincing or “selling” someone on your faith. It takes the Holy Spirit to change your heart. [/quote]
I think most people would have a better mind set in RE: Christianity if all Christians felt that way. [/quote]
Maybe you should get to know more Christians than just believing what you see on TV, and those televangelists.
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I grew up in a religion , 6 days a week and twice on Sunday . If there is a god he would loath the religions i have witnessed
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Which one was that?
On a side note I was raised in church, but both of my parents have fallen away from the church. I am the only one that never left the church. My sister and brother left when they went to college. My sister just started back to church 2 years ago and she is now 35. My brother just started back to church about 8 years ago when he was getting married, and he is now 41. When I say fallen away from church I mean they turned their backs on God and his people. All I have done is continue to pray for all of my family and my friends.
I grew up Pentecostal , The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Wow, I think I remember this bitter Cryingogen feller from before.
Really got a chip on his shoulder.[/quote]
Now that jibe is the level of intellect I expected from a moron such as yourself.[/quote]
You made a lot of ad hominem attacks, almost zero sense outside of a rant, and practically zero cogent argument in two threads now–the first was the abortion thread where I asked you to please make at least a coherent argument instead of ranting–and you’re calling him a moron?
Ironic, to say the least. Obviously religions in general riles you up for some reason, but if you’re going to go calling people morons how about you start with some posts that actually resemble anything near intelligent and coherent? Otherwise kindly stfu if all you’ve got to bring to the table is sadly misplaced and feeble jibes at someone’s intelligence while simultaneously serial posting a bunch of completely unintelligent shite.
Thanks and have a nice day.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
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More than it would take for you to switch your sexual orientation.
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I imagine that’s true for a lot of people, regardless of the faith they profess.
What absolute gall, then, for anyone to think that they could “convert” another person. [/quote]
Anybody who thinks they can convert someone is full of it, and arrogant to boot. No doubt there is a bunch of that going on everywhere, and I see much of it myself and it absolutely drives me crazy. However, if one believes the faith they profess then they must follow through with telling the news of it, sharing their story if you will, to as many people as they can. and then leave the pushing and shoving and converting to God. Wouldn’t you say that’s a fair assessment? If they were going to be true to their beliefs, that is.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]
LMAO
Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,
Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.
Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I grew up Pentecostal[/quote]
Now I understand. My sister is Pentecostal, but she does not speak in tongues or go to the altar for prayer. She just prays to God from her seat.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Dude, I appreciate your belief. As far as proof of belief… I don’t no what you’re asking. Black holes are real and there is proof they exist unlike any god like entity. We can see the actions they take. You can see light bending and objects heating up as they are ripped apart. We can also see the universe expanding. It’s my belief that as black holes swallow each other their gravitational pull becomes stronger and more and more holes collapse on each other continuing this process. Eventually there will be no more matter to swallow and this is the point where the big bang occurs. It is known that as black holes implode that huge explosions occur (quasars or something)
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Actually, it’s worth noting that black holes actually evaporate over time. There is a certain correlation to size, spin, and evaporation which makes your whoel “uber black holes swallowing each other until the universe implodes” a no-go scientifically.
As far as I am aware, black holes do not–cannot, in fact–explode or implode. They are as imploded as they get. However, I haven’t kept up on the most recent research so I could be mistaken. As black holes swallow things, however, they can create “eddys” of plasma that can be shot through space and recorded electromagnetically. Think of a top spinning, now instead of centripetal forces outwards think of the forces getting sucked in along the sides–however, at the north and south poles of this top/black hole (the tip touching the ground and the handle on the top pointing upwards) the plasma is shot at extremely high velocities out into space. This is one way we can recognize the fact that black holes spin, in fact.