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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

LMAO

Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,

Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

Actually that list is quite descriptive of the history of the Catholic Church. Serial killers? I’ll take the Inquisition. Thieves? Been stealing since the beginning of its inception, but special credit for things like indulgences, taxes on mistresses, etc. Child molesters and rapists? Got a history of having plenty of those. The list could go on.

And of course Roger Maris was Catholic. Damn Yankees.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

LMAO

Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,

Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

Actually that list is quite descriptive of the history of the Catholic Church. Serial killers? I’ll take the Inquisition. Thieves? Been stealing since the beginning of its inception, but special credit for things like indulgences, taxes on mistresses, etc. Child molesters and rapists? Got a history of having plenty of those. The list could go on.

And of course Roger Maris was Catholic. Damn Yankees. [/quote]

Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I also believe there have been big bangs in the past. The universe is expanding and black holes make it shrink back down until the last black hole swallows the next to last black hole and then you have another big bang. [/quote]

And you have proof of this belief?

I have heard this before. You know 72 Virgins and Stuff. Because people have actually been to a black hole and gone into it. No visible proof of a black hole, just the actions of other matter around it.

Yes, I am taking a stab at you. Not trying to be an a@@ just making you think.

A black hole just like God can not be directly seen. You can only see the effects of the matter around it.

Have you seen the wind? I have never seen the wind, but I see the effects of the wind. [/quote]

Dude, I appreciate your belief. As far as proof of belief… I don’t no what you’re asking. Black holes are real and there is proof they exist unlike any god like entity. We can see the actions they take. You can see light bending and objects heating up as they are ripped apart. We can also see the universe expanding. It’s my belief that as black holes swallow each other their gravitational pull becomes stronger and more and more holes collapse on each other continuing this process. Eventually there will be no more matter to swallow and this is the point where the big bang occurs. It is known that as black holes implode that huge explosions occur (quasars or something)

Stabbing back at you I believe in science because it’s right here in our faces everyday. There is no proof at all of any God. That’s not to say some being doesn’t exist, but the traditional story of Adam and Eve and God and Jesus is ridiculous at best. It was the best story the powers that be could come up with at the time. They did a good job considering people like you still believe it. The time has come to realize that story telling and God works in mysterious ways is bs. Every action you question God on comes down to well he works in mysterious ways. Come on now. [/quote]

I am glad you brought up black holes. We don’t know they exist. We believe they exist based on calculations and observation of matter with regards to the black hole, but the black hole itself cannot be observed. We believe they exist, we do not know they exist. It’s a matter of faith and hearsay. We are trusting scientists aren’t lying to us and we believe something exists that we don’t actually have direct evidence of.[/quote]

Yes, we do KNOW they do exist.
[/quote]
Oh? We KNOW? It’s certainly an accepted position, and I believe they exist but this belief is a belief, not a fact we have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You cannot see them, you cannot sense them in any way. By measuring their effects we can make determinations about them, but we cannot measure them directly. Without a direct interaction, without a direct measure, we can only believe they exist. We cannot prove their existence, we can only infer they liekly exist.
Have you ever seen one? Touched it? Measured it yourself or had any personal interaction in anyway? Nope. But you take this belief as a given without the slightest thought that people may be wrong.

I didn’t compare God to anything, or science to anything. I am illustrating the point that you and many others have a blind faith in a scientific theory such as black holes without even the slightest experience of a black hole for yourself. You believe other people, hook, line and sinker without question. Now even those who study black holes full time, have no seen one nor measured one directly. They infer their existence by interpreting mathematical equations and observations of other things presumed to be affected by the black hole. And they are probably right mostly; at least about the existence. Whether they actually are correct about the properties of a black hole is another matter. But this is strictly based on faith. We cannot know they exist for certain.

Well that’s an interesting statement. So if the Bible discussed matters of science that you take on faith then you would believe it. But because it does not discuss archeology and geology you do not believe.
So you believe the observations of some people because they are scientists and have a lot of letters behind their name and went to school for a long time, but that which ancient people’s claimed to have observed is automatic bullshit?

What is your destiny? You claim to think for yourself, but if some guy in a lab coat tells you something is a fact you automatically believe it without question?
You’re a follower of science. That makes you a follower too. I seek the truth. I look for it myself, I don’t just believe what people tell me.

I beleive black holes exist, but I don’t know they do. Neither do you.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
simply a creation of man in his infancy [/quote]

It would be pretty arrogant to assume we aren’t still in our infancy.

But I mean, iPhone and all, amirite?[/quote]

Hahaha…truth!

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

LMAO

Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,

Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

Actually that list is quite descriptive of the history of the Catholic Church. Serial killers? I’ll take the Inquisition. Thieves? Been stealing since the beginning of its inception, but special credit for things like indulgences, taxes on mistresses, etc. Child molesters and rapists? Got a history of having plenty of those. The list could go on.

And of course Roger Maris was Catholic. Damn Yankees. [/quote]

Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…[/quote]

Or the % of Catholics that have actually done those things.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I grew up Pentecostal , The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

It’s odd that the people who cry for “equality” and social justice and tolerance are themselves the least tolerant of all.
You completely bigoted over something you know nothing about.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I’m not trying to piss anyone off. [/quote]

Well, your post to Pat previous to this surely isn’t proof of this.

There is a way to be atheist or have discussion with Faithful as a non-believer and not be an insulting boar, smashing through the conversation demeaning everything that doesn’t fit in your personal belief box… I’ve done it.[/quote]

I’ve witnessed you do it…I must say it was really impressive. Also if I remember correctly the threads were a lot more enlightening reading.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Jlabs wrote:
I find it funny that Jesus during his life performed all these miracles yet no Roman historian wrote about him during his lifetime. I think there was mentions of him around jerusaleum in the time that he lived in writing. Some one who was seen as a rebel of the time, would have been cool if it was documented during his life and not after the fact. We all know how recounting stories years after they happen we tend to exaggerate them. Jesus is a cool dude when you get down to his actions and words, I dislike organized religion, but most gods or scriptures when read have some type of lessons to learn. Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, all have very good points. The best part of Islam is the shariah law imo,which says you can’t lend money with interest on it, I hate debt aha.And you can have multiple wives lol[/quote]

There is no one in history who has been more written about then Jesus. And how do you know there are no Roman accounts? Have you discovered all the Roman texts from Jerusalem, read them all and found there is no account? There may or may not have been records, we will never know because we cannot discover all of what was. Jerusalem was sacked and destroyed after that time. [/quote]
Not trying to rustle your feather’s just trying to get facts across. Yes he is written about alot after the time period in which he lived in. I believe he existed because of facts that conclude their was a rebellious person described in Jerusalem who’s actions coincide with what is written about him.

Yeah they sacked Jerusaleum pretty hard, maybe also the Romans did not want to give credit to someone who seemed like a god so people would not question the leading Roman religions of the time. I would find it awesome if such texts were uncovered because Christ as we know him today, may appear to be more of a rebel then what he is considered in today’s perception. [/quote]

I think it would be awesome too. You never know what might turn up.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Wow, I think I remember this bitter Cryingogen feller from before.

Really got a chip on his shoulder.[/quote]

Drive by Trolling?[/quote]

Appears to be. He must know he would lose hard in a real debate or discussion. He doesn’t seem to have a grasp on facts or logic.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

LMAO

Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,

Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

Actually that list is quite descriptive of the history of the Catholic Church. Serial killers? I’ll take the Inquisition. Thieves? Been stealing since the beginning of its inception, but special credit for things like indulgences, taxes on mistresses, etc. Child molesters and rapists? Got a history of having plenty of those. The list could go on.

And of course Roger Maris was Catholic. Damn Yankees. [/quote]

Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…[/quote]

Or the % of Catholics that have actually done those things.[/quote]

Do you feel the same way about Muslims and percentages? I don’t often find other “faith” based people to be so accepting of that faith.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…[/quote]

Did I try to act as if non-Catholics wouldn’t do those things? Of course not. The history of the Catholic Church is largely disgusting, but of course I would never argue that they have a monopoly on corruption and violence. Merely pointing out that Catholicism is filled with the “awful” stuff on your list. I would definitely disagree with Piit on Catholics having the market cornered on awful stuff.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

…Obviously religions in general riles you up for some reason…

[/quote]

This is the quintessential type thread for flushing out all the folks who have been oh so offended by religion in their younger days.

Now that they are such free enlightened spirits with magnificently crafted thoughts about the silliness of faith they can participate in their internet crusade to vanquish their former oppressors.

The whining, vitriol, sarcasm, condescension and atheist.com talking points have all trundled across these pages before. It’s boring.
[/quote]

My favorite is “God is a big meany therefore he doesn’t exist”, because if God existed he would never let bad things happen. I do wonder where the hell does this idea come from.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Catholic religion has the market cornered for being the scourge of society [/quote]

LMAO

Forget:
gangbangers
serial killers
child molesters
Madoff’s
rapists
thieves
drunk drivers
racists
and
The New York Yankees,

Ladies and Gentlemen, those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

Actually that list is quite descriptive of the history of the Catholic Church. Serial killers? I’ll take the Inquisition. Thieves? Been stealing since the beginning of its inception, but special credit for things like indulgences, taxes on mistresses, etc. Child molesters and rapists? Got a history of having plenty of those. The list could go on.

And of course Roger Maris was Catholic. Damn Yankees. [/quote]

Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…[/quote]

Or the % of Catholics that have actually done those things.[/quote]

Do you feel the same way about Muslims and percentages? I don’t often find other “faith” based people to be so accepting of that faith. [/quote]

Yes, I have no problem with Muslims. I have a problem with extremist assholes.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
I’m not trying to piss anyone off. [/quote]

Well, your post to Pat previous to this surely isn’t proof of this.

There is a way to be atheist or have discussion with Faithful as a non-believer and not be an insulting boar, smashing through the conversation demeaning everything that doesn’t fit in your personal belief box… I’ve done it.[/quote]

I’ve witnessed you do it…I must say it was really impressive. Also if I remember correctly the threads were a lot more enlightening reading.[/quote]

Thanks.

It is as simple as seeing people as individuals, and not looking at people as part of a collective.

I spent a lot of my life as angry, bitter and bigoted as people who have posted here. I was very firmly in the “if there is a God, how could he have let that happen to me, so therefore there is no God and religious people are morons for believing that” camp. Well, I grew up and understood more about life, and people in general. (Still not a huge “god advocate”, but it is largely irrelevant.)

But once you truly start seeing people as individuals, something most liberal and atheists I’ve meet have a very hard time doing, you can’t continue to dislike entire institutions because of the actions of certain individuals. You begin to dislike the individual, but respect those that didn’t err, and are still part of the overall institution.

Plus that and I think I have a much better grasp on the “big picture” when it comes to religion than I ever did before.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

child molesters
those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

only you would criticize some one’s belief in God

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I don’t really understand why it’s a concern to non-believers.

I’ve also never understood the idea that believers “waste” their lives believing in the things we do. How does one waste a life that has no objective values, obligations, or ends? If there is no universal law that says we must live as Dawkinistas, then why must we, to make “proper use” of our time?

In a godless universe, with no objective morality/laws, any state of living is “right.” Keeping in mind that no way of living can be truly “wrong.” It just is.[/quote]

It is not a binary proposition, either the Christian/Abrahamic God or nothing all. There are an infinite number of beliefs that fit in between.[/quote]

Not sure I follow. In this post I’m specifically addressing the idea that religion in general is a waste (a non-religious viewpoint). How can it be a waste, if there is no objective authority on how life MUST be lived?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Please with this.

I’m one of the least religious people you will meet, and I’m well aware that you didn’t miss the point of my post by as much as your response indicates.

Your bias and dislike of Catholics is obvious, so why shouldn’t your beliefs need to STFU like you think the Catholics should? Because if your rebuttal had any merit, you would have noted the plethora of non-Catholics that did all those acts as well…[/quote]

Did I try to act as if non-Catholics wouldn’t do those things? Of course not. The history of the Catholic Church is largely disgusting, but of course I would never argue that they have a monopoly on corruption and violence. Merely pointing out that Catholicism is filled with the “awful” stuff on your list. I would definitely disagree with Piit on Catholics having the market cornered on awful stuff. [/quote]

Are all these bad things just because they are Catholic? No, it is because they are humans. Humans can do a lot of bad things to other humans in the name of whatever.

Can I now say this is why Jesus came to Earth?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

child molesters
those fucking Catholics, they truly punish society.

Thanks for today’s high comedy theater Pitt. [/quote]

only you would criticize some one’s belief in God [/quote]

And the laugh roll continues.

Funny part is, I didn’t do that. Nice try though… Too bad the original post is up there showing I did nothing that you accuse me of.