That’s funny, Lenin thought the same thing…you want a culture of death?
What about aliens do they go to hell 2? If all the cheaters go to hell who do there spouses bang in heaven? Do they just have to remarry some other chick/dude if so do they gotta stay together… what about cavemen do they go to hell? That seems pretty unfair since they were too dumb 4 rules & stuff
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Bod-of-Phwoar wrote:
Wow. A question pops into your head, and it sounds so rational until you see it on the screen.[/quote]
Haha. No, it’s a fantastic question. It really is. It’s something everyone who thinks they’re demonstrably “correct”–on any subject–should be able and willing to do, mechanically.
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I agree a very good question that routinely goes unanswered. The fact is that most Christians were raised Christian and believe so because of their upbringing. Not because of some holy revelation. Same with Jews and Muslims. Why are most people in the Middle East Muslim? Why Are most in the West Christian? Why are most in Israel Jews? Because they were raised that way, not because of a revelation from god. It stands to reason (oh no, science) that if it was simply revelations from god that led to religious beliefs that the there would be more Christians in the Middle East and more Muslims in the West. But the unfortunate fact (for believers of their family traditions) is that we are a product of our environment and upbringing. The VAST majority of Christians were raised that way and indoctrinated to believe so. Same with Muslim and so on. And that is why it is a great question. What evidence do Christians have that there upbringing is more holy than the upbringing of Muslims in the Middle East? None.
I think most would agree that the tenants of relegion at its core are all good things. Could it be that relegion and I mean all religion are simply a creation of man in his infancy to explain what was un-explainable and create order. The idea that one is right & 1 is wrong sucks. The "everyone burns theory needs to stop… To deny stuff like carbon dating & evolution is pretty much just silly at this point in time… Being objective and questioning what is makes us who we are & propels the human race
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Bod-of-Phwoar wrote:
Wow. A question pops into your head, and it sounds so rational until you see it on the screen.[/quote]
Haha. No, it’s a fantastic question. It really is. It’s something everyone who thinks they’re demonstrably “correct”–on any subject–should be able and willing to do, mechanically.
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I agree a very good question that routinely goes unanswered. The fact is that most Christians were raised Christian and believe so because of their upbringing. Not because of some holy revelation. Same with Jews and Muslims. Why are most people in the Middle East Muslim? Why Are most in the West Christian? Why are most in Israel Jews? Because they were raised that way, not because of a revelation from god. It stands to reason (oh no, science) that if it was simply revelations from god that led to religious beliefs that the there would be more Christians in the Middle East and more Muslims in the West. But the unfortunate fact (for believers of their family traditions) is that we are a product of our environment and upbringing. The VAST majority of Christians were raised that way and indoctrinated to believe so. Same with Muslim and so on. And that is why it is a great question. What evidence do Christians have that there upbringing is more holy than the upbringing of Muslims in the Middle East? None. [/quote]
Why would you rule out the idea that revelations come during upbringing?
Who are you to insist these revelations must occur outside of one’s youth and environment?
Why do you get to play The Great Determiner of What Is Truly Revelatory?
Are you some kind of special arbiter who has been granted great insight and power in this regard?
Tell us why you are some kind of shining beacon of objectivity, pure as the driven snow, when it comes to ascertaining Truth.[/quote]
I am just stating what I observe. Most religious people in the West are Christian. Most religious people in the Middle East are Muslim. Why? Is it because their gods have jurisdiction over certain areas of the globe? Or is it because those that reside in those areas are raised to believe what their parents do? I am no “special arbiter” lol. Just stated what I observe. Thanks though.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Bod-of-Phwoar wrote:
Wow. A question pops into your head, and it sounds so rational until you see it on the screen.[/quote]
Haha. No, it’s a fantastic question. It really is. It’s something everyone who thinks they’re demonstrably “correct”–on any subject–should be able and willing to do, mechanically.
I was commenting upon the fact that there are few things that don’t become “shitstorms” on the topic of religion, no matter the rationality of the beginning point.[/quote]
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
Other than, of course, losing a tri-game of checkers, steak grilling and deadlifting.
I’m predisposed to religious thought. With Catholic-Christianity most completely matching my orientation. There, now you’re just bigots.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Wow, I think I remember this bitter Cryingogen feller from before.
Really got a chip on his shoulder.[/quote]
Now that jibe is the level of intellect I expected from a moron such as yourself.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
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More than it would take for you to switch your sexual orientation.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
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More than it would take for you to switch your sexual orientation.
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I imagine that’s true for a lot of people, regardless of the faith they profess.
What absolute gall, then, for anyone to think that they could “convert” another person.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A better question to the faithful would be, what would it take for you to change your religion, or to abandon it.
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More than it would take for you to switch your sexual orientation.
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I imagine that’s true for a lot of people, regardless of the faith they profess.
What absolute gall, then, for anyone to think that they could “convert” another person. [/quote]
Not really. Because not everyone actually has faith in their current religion.
And why “gall?” I’ve never been offended. Unless someone is literally following and screaming at me, or has me at the edge of his sword, why would I be offended? It’s just communication.
Take this thread for instance. You literally have to click it, and then read it.
Have you ever been the serious object of a conversion attempt, Sloth?
Never been cornered by Muslims or Jehovah’s Witnesses or Evangelical Southern Baptists who want to pray for your immortal soul so that you don’t end up in Hell?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Take this thread for instance. You literally have to click it, and then read it. [/quote]
I don’t literally have to click it. I’m using an iPhone.