Height:Weight for Natural BBing

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
DouglasJ16 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:

Yeah, natty shows just means they are tested. Some people could be using during the offseason. I wouldn’t have the first clue as to how many people are completely natural or using during the offseason, though.

Yeah man, Ron Harris juiced for over 8 years, stopped for one, and then competed and won a ‘natural’ show -lol.

S
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Try the NANBF, which is the amateur branch of the WNBF. Every show it either drug tested, and or polygraphed. They have a 7 year clean requirement.

But, you have to read the banned substances list, very carefully. HOT-ROX of on there as a fat burning prohormone derivitive. Have to wait two years after taking HOT-ROX, before you can compete.

They also have a some pictures of competitors in both pro and amatuer levels.

Also, the cut off between light heavies and heavyweight is 198lbs.

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As far as NPC goes at 6 feet you would want to go in the heavies or light heavies…drop lower than that and the short guys will kick your ass.

Light heavy cap is 198, heavy cap is anything for novice and 225 for unlimited. I think the bottom of light heavies is 178 or something.

I’m 6 feet about 200lbs in my avatar, I made the 198 cut at weigh ins.

That should give you some idea hopefully.

Gerdy

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[quote]zraw wrote:
it all depends …

wolf : 5’9 ~250lbs

coleman : 5’10 300+lbs :s[/quote]

Are you referring to Dennis Wolf?, because he is 5’11.

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
As far as NPC goes at 6 feet you would want to go in the heavies or light heavies…drop lower than that and the short guys will kick your ass.

Light heavy cap is 198, heavy cap is anything for novice and 225 for unlimited. I think the bottom of light heavies is 178 or something.

I’m 6 feet about 200lbs in my avatar, I made the 198 cut at weigh ins.

That should give you some idea hopefully.

Gerdy[/quote]

ok that gives me a sorta rough idea, whats your offseason weight…like during a gaining phase around 12% or so.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.[/quote]

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

[/quote]

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
As far as NPC goes at 6 feet you would want to go in the heavies or light heavies…drop lower than that and the short guys will kick your ass.

Light heavy cap is 198, heavy cap is anything for novice and 225 for unlimited. I think the bottom of light heavies is 178 or something.

I’m 6 feet about 200lbs in my avatar, I made the 198 cut at weigh ins.

That should give you some idea hopefully.

Gerdy

ok that gives me a sorta rough idea, whats your offseason weight…like during a gaining phase around 12% or so.
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Sorry I cant really help you there. I have some freak genetics in certain areas. I can’t get fat if I tried so I just eat a boatload of food and build muscle :smiley:

I am usually 10lbs or so above my competition weight in the off season.

That pic was taken almost a month ago and I’ve been eating almost 5000 cals a day since then and am around 210ish right now (heaviest I’ve been), with visible abs still (not at all like the pic) but I stay lean year round.

I didn’t diet like most do for my show, I just ate really clean for about a month and busted ass in the gym. Most have carb restricted diets and start their diets 12-16 weeks out from a show.

From looking at your pics I’d say to try and hit 220 before the diet and then see where you come in. You could come in at a peeled 198 or come in bigger but have to compete heavies. That is if you choose to compete in NPC which I would recommend. They put on top notch shows and some of the other “peoples” shows that I’ve seen haven’t been so top notch. lol

DG

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?[/quote]

LMAO! I want to have this put on a shirt! lol

DG

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?[/quote]

I’m wondering about that, too.
If you jump on stage after a year or so of training instead of building yourself up to satisfactory(as if there was such a thing) size levels, then you take away from your easy gaining years…

You’re not going to get those back, dieting down interrupts everything…

Strength, your BF will be too low for real intense stuff (If you believe that you can train bb style with maximum intensity at 6 percent or less bodyfat without injury occuring, then your concept of intensity is most insignificant.), etc.

Why would he, at 17 or however old he is, want to compete as a near-beanpole against other near-beanpoles ?

For heaven’s sake people, whatever happened to getting big and all ?
Just because you can diet down for a competition doesn’t mean you’re a bodybuilder, wtf? It just means that you can manage to look skinnier than Brad Pitt.

Go become some fitness-model or take up sewing and stop polluting the bodybuilding scene… Setting such low standards and every idiot now thinks that the level of those morons is all that can be done without drugs.

I applaud the op for deciding to continue his quest for size… But 2 years may not even be enough, it all depends on whether you really want to look like something or whether you’ll be satisfied with half-assed results…

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?

LMAO! I want to have this put on a shirt! lol

DG[/quote]

No shit man… I think I’ll suggest this to Dante for a new DC shirt :wink:

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?

I’m wondering about that, too.
If you jump on stage after a year or so of training instead of building yourself up to satisfactory(as if there was such a thing) size levels, then you take away from your easy gaining years…

You’re not going to get those back, dieting down interrupts everything…

Strength, your BF will be too low for real intense stuff (If you believe that you can train bb style with maximum intensity at 6 percent or less bodyfat without injury occuring, then your concept of intensity is most insignificant.), etc.

Why would he, at 17 or however old he is, want to compete as a near-beanpole against other near-beanpoles ?

For heaven’s sake people, whatever happened to getting big and all ?

Just because you can diet down for a competition doesn’t mean you’re a bodybuilder, wtf? It just means that you can manage to look skinnier than Brad Pitt.

Go become some fitness-model or take up sewing and stop polluting the bodybuilding scene… Setting such low standards and every idiot now thinks that the level of those morons is all that can be done without drugs.

I applaud the op for deciding to continue his quest for size… But 2 years may not even be enough, it all depends on whether you really want to look like something or whether you’ll be satisfied with half-assed results…
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lol is this bullshit directed at me? the fuck does it matter if its a year, two, or three from now if im at a weight i consider to be respectable for contest? i have no ambitions of ever looking anything like ronnie coleman or any of those other guys, if thats your goal then good for you.

if i want to hit the stage at 200-210 lean theres nothing wrong with that especially if its my first show, cause you know people generally put on size from season to season. anyway, you do you, ill do me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?[/quote]

no but if your only 17 and lets say u started at 16. Your in a comp against 17 year olds so every1 preety much has been training for the same amount of time.

I mean most people dont start be4 16 so right there its the same time frame. I know npc competitors who say you should have 1-1.5 years of real training be4 competing if your young

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?

I’m wondering about that, too.
If you jump on stage after a year or so of training instead of building yourself up to satisfactory(as if there was such a thing) size levels, then you take away from your easy gaining years…

You’re not going to get those back, dieting down interrupts everything…

Strength, your BF will be too low for real intense stuff (If you believe that you can train bb style with maximum intensity at 6 percent or less bodyfat without injury occuring, then your concept of intensity is most insignificant.), etc.

Why would he, at 17 or however old he is, want to compete as a near-beanpole against other near-beanpoles ?

For heaven’s sake people, whatever happened to getting big and all ?

Just because you can diet down for a competition doesn’t mean you’re a bodybuilder, wtf? It just means that you can manage to look skinnier than Brad Pitt.

Go become some fitness-model or take up sewing and stop polluting the bodybuilding scene… Setting such low standards and every idiot now thinks that the level of those morons is all that can be done without drugs.

I applaud the op for deciding to continue his quest for size… But 2 years may not even be enough, it all depends on whether you really want to look like something or whether you’ll be satisfied with half-assed results…

lol is this bullshit directed at me? the fuck does it matter if its a year, two, or three from now if im at a weight i consider to be respectable for contest? i have no ambitions of ever looking anything like ronnie coleman or any of those other guys, if thats your goal then good for you.

if i want to hit the stage at 200-210 lean theres nothing wrong with that especially if its my first show, cause you know people generally put on size from season to season. anyway, you do you, ill do me.[/quote]

No bro i think hes talking to him, and all I have to say is stfu ok if at 5’7 165 4% bf is a pole than your dum. Now is it huge? no its not but that means that he prob walks around at about 185 at least.

Ok your right you wonbt get huge in 1-2 years but maybe he doesnt want to wait 3 years to compete and if you call all that being in fitness and not bb well than imsorry for you.

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You guys have the reading comprehension of 12 year olds…

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you want to compete all natural, do yourself a favor and DO NOT COMPETE FOR ANOTHER 3-5 YEARS.

Get as big as you can, then compete.

I’m sick of seeing skinny idiots compete in natural competitions, either never bulking (because they don’t want to add fat, or because that “only works for users”) or dieting down 2+ times a year and then thinking that this is all one can naturally achieve.

Now, other people see these idiots and think “Gee, if you can be no more than 190 (if even) at 6+ feet in contest shape, guess everyone above that is on drugs and/or ubergifted !!!”

Pay your dues… (I don’t want to paste that Dante quote again), please, so you won’t end up as one of those tools who then go out sprouting shit like “your ankle measurement determines your maximum lean bodymass at your height !!!”.

Good luck with competing though, whatever you end up doing.

im curious how old are you? because I know people who competed in teen comps after 1 year or serious training and one. One being the guy whowon the hercules these year. it depends if you 17 and going against other 17 year olds theres no reason to wait 3-5 years

Unless you are extremely genetically gifted, there is no way you are competition ready as a rank beginner without putting some years into this. Why would someone compete before they actually built their own body up? Isn’t this bodybuilding and not body-come-as-you-are?

I’m wondering about that, too.
If you jump on stage after a year or so of training instead of building yourself up to satisfactory(as if there was such a thing) size levels, then you take away from your easy gaining years…

You’re not going to get those back, dieting down interrupts everything…

Strength, your BF will be too low for real intense stuff (If you believe that you can train bb style with maximum intensity at 6 percent or less bodyfat without injury occuring, then your concept of intensity is most insignificant.), etc.

Why would he, at 17 or however old he is, want to compete as a near-beanpole against other near-beanpoles ?

For heaven’s sake people, whatever happened to getting big and all ?

Just because you can diet down for a competition doesn’t mean you’re a bodybuilder, wtf? It just means that you can manage to look skinnier than Brad Pitt.

Go become some fitness-model or take up sewing and stop polluting the bodybuilding scene… Setting such low standards and every idiot now thinks that the level of those morons is all that can be done without drugs.

I applaud the op for deciding to continue his quest for size… But 2 years may not even be enough, it all depends on whether you really want to look like something or whether you’ll be satisfied with half-assed results…

lol is this bullshit directed at me? the fuck does it matter if its a year, two, or three from now if im at a weight i consider to be respectable for contest? i have no ambitions of ever looking anything like ronnie coleman or any of those other guys, if thats your goal then good for you.

if i want to hit the stage at 200-210 lean theres nothing wrong with that especially if its my first show, cause you know people generally put on size from season to season. anyway, you do you, ill do me.

No bro i think hes talking to him, and all I have to say is stfu ok if at 5’7 165 4% bf is a pole than your dum. Now is it huge? no its not but that means that he prob walks around at about 185 at least.

[/quote]

Who the hell are you even talking about ?

Edit: To make it a little easier: There are fitness competitions (or whatever they’re called) where you can compete against other people who don’t want to be big…
Why not just compete there, instead of pretending to be a bodybuilder ?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
You guys have the reading comprehension of 12 year olds…

[/quote]

why didnt my post go up with the quote?

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just to clear things up with the 16 and 17 yr old things. lol

in bodybuilding it’s “teen” meaning 19 and under. You wont find a competition where it’s just for 17yrs and under.

I think what everybody is getting at is, when you step on stage you better at least look like a bodybuilder, or don’t do it.

DG

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
just to clear things up with the 16 and 17 yr old things. lol

in bodybuilding it’s “teen” meaning 19 and under. You wont find a competition where it’s just for 17yrs and under.

I think what everybody is getting at is, when you step on stage you better at least look like a bodybuilder, or don’t do it.

DG[/quote]

Thank you. That’s what I’ve been trying to say, but unfortunately, people don’t seem to like the idea (or they just can’t read).

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lol no offense to anybody on this particular thread, but I found that lately I’ve had to “dumb down” my posts for people to grasp what I’m sayin. lol

DG

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
lol no offense to anybody on this particular thread, but I found that lately I’ve had to “dumb down” my posts for people to grasp what I’m sayin. lol

DG[/quote]

It’s not just you. Either they can’t read or people really are becoming this retarded in general.

What the hell kind of person tries to jump on stage in posing trunks before they actually have built something to show off?