[quote]Charged wrote:
OH shit lmfao I didn’t realise you were from texas HAHAHH that explains a lot.
You guys are so funny, every time you lose a point of an argument and get proven wrong you have to put in shitty insults, rofl![/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Boss - they’re the same guy. Don’t even with bother dude. Let’em go.[/quote]
Ahh…I see. I’ve said it all anyways.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
THIS…is very laughable. You guys can’t contribute anything of worth…and compensate with weak attempts at discrediting the backgrounds of those that at least contribute worthy posts. They are not furiously jacking off because of the OPINION of ONE professional MMA fighter. They are speaking from their OWN experience.
There are PLENTY of posters here that take what ever discipline and/or profession they come from VERY seriously and devote legit time. No knock on Tom…I like him as a fighter…but he is by no means an expert on self-defense/tactical matters. That’s not saying he probably couldn’t hold his own in an altercation…but that’s not where his devotion of time is. His time goes towards fighting for sport.
[/quote]Let’s not act like the combat forum is some bastion of martial arts purity. There is rarely anything of hood posted here. There is rarely people really helping each other out. Besides talking about fights or fighters, there isn’t many good threads posted.
The combat forum discredits itself when people would rather spend a bunch of time arguing hypothetical BS in certain scenarios.
And you may not be trying to disrespect Tom, but it sure as hell sounds like it. I mean the guy starts posting advice for free and as soon as someone disagrees (with an opinion on a hypothetical scenario) they’re arguing with him about it, and he stops posting. Do you think that’s ok? I don’t. I mean why waste your time when you’re a pro fighter arguing over a hypothetical self defense BS scenarios with people. I mean so what if you disagree? Who cares? He’s new. Let him do his own thing and get to know people.
And who are these guys that train everyday with guys at Lawlor’s level or higher? I know we have a few MMA guys, but I think they are amateur fighters still. I know we have some guys with years of experience in their respective art, but I don’t think we have anyone who is a pro MMA fighter or that spars and grapples with high level pro MMA fighters. I also don’t even think we have a pro boxer on here. Humble might be a pro fighter in Muay Thai. I think he mentioned having 15 or 20 years of experience.
I’m just not seeing the high level discussion in the combat forum that you’re talking about. I really only think there are maybe a handful of fighters on here and they don’t post here regularly. Just occasionally. Probably going to piss some people off with this but it’s the truth.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
THIS…is very laughable. You guys can’t contribute anything of worth…and compensate with weak attempts at discrediting the backgrounds of those that at least contribute worthy posts. They are not furiously jacking off because of the OPINION of ONE professional MMA fighter. They are speaking from their OWN experience.
There are PLENTY of posters here that take what ever discipline and/or profession they come from VERY seriously and devote legit time. No knock on Tom…I like him as a fighter…but he is by no means an expert on self-defense/tactical matters. That’s not saying he probably couldn’t hold his own in an altercation…but that’s not where his devotion of time is. His time goes towards fighting for sport.
[/quote]Let’s not act like the combat forum is some bastion of martial arts purity. There is rarely anything of hood posted here. There is rarely people really helping each other out. Besides talking about fights or fighters, there isn’t many good threads posted.
The combat forum discredits itself when people would rather spend a bunch of time arguing hypothetical BS in certain scenarios.
And you may not be trying to disrespect Tom, but it sure as hell sounds like it. I mean the guy starts posting advice for free and as soon as someone disagrees (with an opinion on a hypothetical scenario) they’re arguing with him about it, and he stops posting. Do you think that’s ok? I don’t. I mean why waste your time when you’re a pro fighter arguing over a hypothetical self defense BS scenarios with people. I mean so what if you disagree? Who cares? He’s new. Let him do his own thing and get to know people.
And who are these guys that train everyday with guys at Lawlor’s level or higher? I know we have a few MMA guys, but I think they are amateur fighters still. I know we have some guys with years of experience in their respective art, but I don’t think we have anyone who is a pro MMA fighter or that spars and grapples with high level pro MMA fighters. I also don’t even think we have a pro boxer on here. Humble might be a pro fighter in Muay Thai. I think he mentioned having 15 or 20 years of experience.
I’m just not seeing the high level discussion in the combat forum that you’re talking about. I really only think there are maybe a handful of fighters on here and they don’t post here regularly. Just occasionally. Probably going to piss some people off with this but it’s the truth.[/quote]
If you think I disrespected Tom Lawlor…then…really…there is nothing to discuss with you. Seriously…you missed the biggest frustration with my rant…which a huge chunk agrees in with your criticisms of this forum.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
THIS…is very laughable. You guys can’t contribute anything of worth…and compensate with weak attempts at discrediting the backgrounds of those that at least contribute worthy posts. They are not furiously jacking off because of the OPINION of ONE professional MMA fighter. They are speaking from their OWN experience.
There are PLENTY of posters here that take what ever discipline and/or profession they come from VERY seriously and devote legit time. No knock on Tom…I like him as a fighter…but he is by no means an expert on self-defense/tactical matters. That’s not saying he probably couldn’t hold his own in an altercation…but that’s not where his devotion of time is. His time goes towards fighting for sport.
[/quote]Let’s not act like the combat forum is some bastion of martial arts purity. There is rarely anything of hood posted here. There is rarely people really helping each other out. Besides talking about fights or fighters, there isn’t many good threads posted.
The combat forum discredits itself when people would rather spend a bunch of time arguing hypothetical BS in certain scenarios.
And you may not be trying to disrespect Tom, but it sure as hell sounds like it. I mean the guy starts posting advice for free and as soon as someone disagrees (with an opinion on a hypothetical scenario) they’re arguing with him about it, and he stops posting. Do you think that’s ok? I don’t. I mean why waste your time when you’re a pro fighter arguing over a hypothetical self defense BS scenarios with people. I mean so what if you disagree? Who cares? He’s new. Let him do his own thing and get to know people.
And who are these guys that train everyday with guys at Lawlor’s level or higher? I know we have a few MMA guys, but I think they are amateur fighters still. I know we have some guys with years of experience in their respective art, but I don’t think we have anyone who is a pro MMA fighter or that spars and grapples with high level pro MMA fighters. I also don’t even think we have a pro boxer on here. Humble might be a pro fighter in Muay Thai. I think he mentioned having 15 or 20 years of experience.
I’m just not seeing the high level discussion in the combat forum that you’re talking about. I really only think there are maybe a handful of fighters on here and they don’t post here regularly. Just occasionally. Probably going to piss some people off with this but it’s the truth.[/quote]
If you think I disrespected Tom Lawlor…then…really…there is nothing to discuss with you. Seriously…you missed the biggest frustration with my rant…which a huge chunk agrees in with your criticisms of this forum. [/quote]
I don’t think you disrespected him. I said it sounds like it. Like it was ok to disagree and argue with him over it. Like his opinion is worthless in the face of people posting their 1 or 2 personal experiences. I just don’t think it was worth arguing with someone new who was a pro and getting them to leave.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
THIS…is very laughable. You guys can’t contribute anything of worth…and compensate with weak attempts at discrediting the backgrounds of those that at least contribute worthy posts. They are not furiously jacking off because of the OPINION of ONE professional MMA fighter. They are speaking from their OWN experience.
There are PLENTY of posters here that take what ever discipline and/or profession they come from VERY seriously and devote legit time. No knock on Tom…I like him as a fighter…but he is by no means an expert on self-defense/tactical matters. That’s not saying he probably couldn’t hold his own in an altercation…but that’s not where his devotion of time is. His time goes towards fighting for sport.
[/quote]Let’s not act like the combat forum is some bastion of martial arts purity. There is rarely anything of hood posted here. There is rarely people really helping each other out. Besides talking about fights or fighters, there isn’t many good threads posted.
The combat forum discredits itself when people would rather spend a bunch of time arguing hypothetical BS in certain scenarios.
And you may not be trying to disrespect Tom, but it sure as hell sounds like it. I mean the guy starts posting advice for free and as soon as someone disagrees (with an opinion on a hypothetical scenario) they’re arguing with him about it, and he stops posting. Do you think that’s ok? I don’t. I mean why waste your time when you’re a pro fighter arguing over a hypothetical self defense BS scenarios with people. I mean so what if you disagree? Who cares? He’s new. Let him do his own thing and get to know people.
And who are these guys that train everyday with guys at Lawlor’s level or higher? I know we have a few MMA guys, but I think they are amateur fighters still. I know we have some guys with years of experience in their respective art, but I don’t think we have anyone who is a pro MMA fighter or that spars and grapples with high level pro MMA fighters. I also don’t even think we have a pro boxer on here. Humble might be a pro fighter in Muay Thai. I think he mentioned having 15 or 20 years of experience.
I’m just not seeing the high level discussion in the combat forum that you’re talking about. I really only think there are maybe a handful of fighters on here and they don’t post here regularly. Just occasionally. Probably going to piss some people off with this but it’s the truth.[/quote]
If you think I disrespected Tom Lawlor…then…really…there is nothing to discuss with you. Seriously…you missed the biggest frustration with my rant…which a huge chunk agrees in with your criticisms of this forum. [/quote]
I don’t think you disrespected him. I said it sounds like it. Like it was ok to disagree and argue with him over it. Like his opinion is worthless in the face of people posting their 1 or 2 personal experiences. I just don’t think it was worth arguing with someone new who was a pro and getting them to leave.[/quote]
Gotcha…but you didn’t see me arguing with him over this hypothetical mess. Tom’s opinion wasn’t the real basis for my gripe,bro…it was Tom’s opinion being whored out as truth. Not a knock on him at all.
Some opinions carry more worth because of experience closer to subject matter. Posters from various law enforcement,military,and corrections backgrounds…along with other people with personal experiences chimed in. Yet…their opinions are worthless? Just was frustrated by that type bullshit. But at the end of the day…it’s all just opinions…and hypotheticals. I’m done with it,bro. Hope that clears up my rant.
“I’ve had enough ignore,” crosses arms, I swear this is the estrogen forum not the combat one.
i hope that was temporary tattoo not a permanent one.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Awww shit, BigBoss is going to go all prison-showery again.[/quote]
There does seem to be a lot of “Fight, fuck, or fold clothes” in his posts
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Awww shit, BigBoss is going to go all prison-showery again.[/quote]
There does seem to be a lot of “Fight, fuck, or fold clothes” in his posts[/quote]
LOL…things that can’t be “unseen” are coming back to haunt me.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
THIS…is very laughable. You guys can’t contribute anything of worth…and compensate with weak attempts at discrediting the backgrounds of those that at least contribute worthy posts. They are not furiously jacking off because of the OPINION of ONE professional MMA fighter. They are speaking from their OWN experience.
There are PLENTY of posters here that take what ever discipline and/or profession they come from VERY seriously and devote legit time. No knock on Tom…I like him as a fighter…but he is by no means an expert on self-defense/tactical matters. That’s not saying he probably couldn’t hold his own in an altercation…but that’s not where his devotion of time is. His time goes towards fighting for sport.
[/quote]Let’s not act like the combat forum is some bastion of martial arts purity. There is rarely anything of hood posted here. There is rarely people really helping each other out. Besides talking about fights or fighters, there isn’t many good threads posted.
The combat forum discredits itself when people would rather spend a bunch of time arguing hypothetical BS in certain scenarios.
And you may not be trying to disrespect Tom, but it sure as hell sounds like it. I mean the guy starts posting advice for free and as soon as someone disagrees (with an opinion on a hypothetical scenario) they’re arguing with him about it, and he stops posting. Do you think that’s ok? I don’t. I mean why waste your time when you’re a pro fighter arguing over a hypothetical self defense BS scenarios with people. I mean so what if you disagree? Who cares? He’s new. Let him do his own thing and get to know people.
And who are these guys that train everyday with guys at Lawlor’s level or higher? I know we have a few MMA guys, but I think they are amateur fighters still. I know we have some guys with years of experience in their respective art, but I don’t think we have anyone who is a pro MMA fighter or that spars and grapples with high level pro MMA fighters. I also don’t even think we have a pro boxer on here. Humble might be a pro fighter in Muay Thai. I think he mentioned having 15 or 20 years of experience.
I’m just not seeing the high level discussion in the combat forum that you’re talking about. I really only think there are maybe a handful of fighters on here and they don’t post here regularly. Just occasionally. Probably going to piss some people off with this but it’s the truth.[/quote]
If you think I disrespected Tom Lawlor…then…really…there is nothing to discuss with you. Seriously…you missed the biggest frustration with my rant…which a huge chunk agrees in with your criticisms of this forum. [/quote]
I don’t think you disrespected him. I said it sounds like it. Like it was ok to disagree and argue with him over it. Like his opinion is worthless in the face of people posting their 1 or 2 personal experiences. I just don’t think it was worth arguing with someone new who was a pro and getting them to leave.[/quote]
Gotcha…but you didn’t see me arguing with him over this hypothetical mess. Tom’s opinion wasn’t the real basis for my gripe,bro…it was Tom’s opinion being whored out as truth. Not a knock on him at all.
Some opinions carry more worth because of experience closer to subject matter. Posters from various law enforcement,military,and corrections backgrounds…along with other people with personal experiences chimed in. Yet…their opinions are worthless? Just was frustrated by that type bullshit. But at the end of the day…it’s all just opinions…and hypotheticals. I’m done with it,bro. Hope that clears up my rant.
[/quote]
Thanks I agree. I’m just disappointed about the whole thing too.
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
[No they train for hours on how to deal with riots, warfare, chaos, and all sorts of shit. They trained on how to notice bad shit about to happen which is worth more than this is how to throw a punch. They are trained in how to deal with people who are armed. They are trained in how to protect themselves. But ya I agree they are not trained at all)
Truth.
A comment was made that an MMA fighter is a trained killer, thou, I have the highest respect for professional fighters, they are not killers. Killers are the SEALS, SWCC, DELTA, Marine SOG, SWAT, ETC…units who train to take out targets like OBL. You dont send in a MMA fighter/K-1/ Boxer/ to take down down a terrorist or blow the doors of a crack house, or take down the sentrys from an Aryan Nations Compound. I don’t need “sports fighters” when I make a run in the red zone, I need men who can think,follow a plan, and if they have too, take a life to get everyone back.
Think of it this way:
Sport Fighting is like getting together with your team and shooting each other with paintball guns. Yeah, its good training, makes you sharp, allows you to operate as a team and tests your critical thinking ability.
Combat /Survival: The same as above except the team is armed with AK’'s, IED’s,RPG’s, etc…as Bill Jordan said " There Are No Second Place Winners". IMHO.
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
[No they train for hours on how to deal with riots, warfare, chaos, and all sorts of shit. They trained on how to notice bad shit about to happen which is worth more than this is how to throw a punch. They are trained in how to deal with people who are armed. They are trained in how to protect themselves. But ya I agree they are not trained at all)
Truth.
A comment was made that an MMA fighter is a trained killer, thou, I have the highest respect for professional fighters, they are not killers. Killers are the SEALS, SWCC, DELTA, Marine SOG, SWAT, ETC…units who train to take out targets like OBL. You dont send in a MMA fighter/K-1/ Boxer/ to take down down a terrorist or blow the doors of a crack house, or take down the sentrys from an Aryan Nations Compound. I don’t need “sports fighters” when I make a run in the red zone, I need men who can think,follow a plan, and if they have too, take a life to get everyone back.
Think of it this way:
Sport Fighting is like getting together with your team and shooting each other with paintball guns. Yeah, its good training, makes you sharp, allows you to operate as a team and tests your critical thinking ability.
Combat /Survival: The same as above except the team is armed with AK’'s, IED’s,RPG’s, etc…as Bill Jordan said " There Are No Second Place Winners". IMHO.
[/quote]
Damn I didn’t know the average bar guys were strapped with Ak’s IED’s RPG’s and lightsabers.
Charged, I said the at the ‘great story’ I posted was ‘the OP’s hypothetical in miniture,’ since it posited a single fighter against a high number of partially coordinated multiple opponents, and the single fighter is significantly larger, stronger and better trained. That’s why the big ugly knife scar is on his hand, not his neck. That’s called ‘winning’ in a scenario like that.
The guy I’m talking about is significantly tough. No, he’s not a dominant UFC heavyweight, and yes, top-level athletes are the genetic pick of the pick of the crop and they do it for a living. They’re not like you or me. Doesn’t mean they can fly and blow shit up with their eyes.
I thought I’d been pretty clear that I was offering an analagous situation. The opinion of combat athletes isn’t necessarily right; if they weren’t almost terminally overconfident they’d never get into the ring with what Royce Gracie described as ‘a monster, 300 pounds, who’s trying to rip your head off.’ A good analogy is the opinion of soldiers on warfare; they’re often wrong.
Between 1914 and 1918 the best qualified professional soldiers in the world were wrong consistently about new hardware, from the role of the sabre and the horse to the role of the tank and the machine gun - to say nothing of the aeroplane and submarine - through tactics and strategy to command structure, political relations and pretty much every other thing you could be wrong about, for four years. They didn’t stop being wrong for being exposed to the consequences of their follies: they stopped because one side ran out of stuff.
In the same way, being a UFC fighter shows, in rough terms (that were good enough for Mohammed Ali) that you’re good at beating people up. It doesn’t meant that you have an intellectual understanding of the subject that can be transferred to other situations that strongly differ from the single one in which you’ve been proven to excel. Being a fighter and understanding the broader subject of fighting in many different situations are two different things, and they’re not always found in the same individual.
[quote]Injurytime wrote:
Charged, I said the at the ‘great story’ I posted was ‘the OP’s hypothetical in miniture,’ since it posited a single fighter against a high number of partially coordinated multiple opponents, and the single fighter is significantly larger, stronger and better trained. That’s why the big ugly knife scar is on his hand, not his neck. That’s called ‘winning’ in a scenario like that.
The guy I’m talking about is significantly tough. No, he’s not a dominant UFC heavyweight, and yes, top-level athletes are the genetic pick of the pick of the crop and they do it for a living. They’re not like you or me. Doesn’t mean they can fly and blow shit up with their eyes.
I thought I’d been pretty clear that I was offering an analagous situation. The opinion of combat athletes isn’t necessarily right; if they weren’t almost terminally overconfident they’d never get into the ring with what Royce Gracie described as ‘a monster, 300 pounds, who’s trying to rip your head off.’ A good analogy is the opinion of soldiers on warfare; they’re often wrong.
Between 1914 and 1918 the best qualified professional soldiers in the world were wrong consistently about new hardware, from the role of the sabre and the horse to the role of the tank and the machine gun - to say nothing of the aeroplane and submarine - through tactics and strategy to command structure, political relations and pretty much every other thing you could be wrong about, for four years. They didn’t stop being wrong for being exposed to the consequences of their follies: they stopped because one side ran out of stuff.
In the same way, being a UFC fighter shows, in rough terms (that were good enough for Mohammed Ali) that you’re good at beating people up. It doesn’t meant that you have an intellectual understanding of the subject that can be transferred to other situations that strongly differ from the single one in which you’ve been proven to excel. Being a fighter and understanding the broader subject of fighting in many different situations are two different things, and they’re not always found in the same individual.[/quote]
You are way stretching your analogies.
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
[No they train for hours on how to deal with riots, warfare, chaos, and all sorts of shit. They trained on how to notice bad shit about to happen which is worth more than this is how to throw a punch. They are trained in how to deal with people who are armed. They are trained in how to protect themselves. But ya I agree they are not trained at all)
Truth.
A comment was made that an MMA fighter is a trained killer, thou, I have the highest respect for professional fighters, they are not killers. Killers are the SEALS, SWCC, DELTA, Marine SOG, SWAT, ETC…units who train to take out targets like OBL. You dont send in a MMA fighter/K-1/ Boxer/ to take down down a terrorist or blow the doors of a crack house, or take down the sentrys from an Aryan Nations Compound. I don’t need “sports fighters” when I make a run in the red zone, I need men who can think,follow a plan, and if they have too, take a life to get everyone back.
Think of it this way:
Sport Fighting is like getting together with your team and shooting each other with paintball guns. Yeah, its good training, makes you sharp, allows you to operate as a team and tests your critical thinking ability.
Combat /Survival: The same as above except the team is armed with AK’'s, IED’s,RPG’s, etc…as Bill Jordan said " There Are No Second Place Winners". IMHO.
[/quote]
Where in the OP did it mention fucking using the H/W to blow down a fucking door to get a terrorist, what the hell are you talking about?
[quote]Injurytime wrote:
Charged, I said the at the ‘great story’ I posted was ‘the OP’s hypothetical in miniture,’ since it posited a single fighter against a high number of partially coordinated multiple opponents, and the single fighter is significantly larger, stronger and better trained. That’s why the big ugly knife scar is on his hand, not his neck. That’s called ‘winning’ in a scenario like that.
The guy I’m talking about is significantly tough. No, he’s not a dominant UFC heavyweight, and yes, top-level athletes are the genetic pick of the pick of the crop and they do it for a living. They’re not like you or me. Doesn’t mean they can fly and blow shit up with their eyes.
I thought I’d been pretty clear that I was offering an analagous situation. The opinion of combat athletes isn’t necessarily right; if they weren’t almost terminally overconfident they’d never get into the ring with what Royce Gracie described as ‘a monster, 300 pounds, who’s trying to rip your head off.’ A good analogy is the opinion of soldiers on warfare; they’re often wrong.
Between 1914 and 1918 the best qualified professional soldiers in the world were wrong consistently about new hardware, from the role of the sabre and the horse to the role of the tank and the machine gun - to say nothing of the aeroplane and submarine - through tactics and strategy to command structure, political relations and pretty much every other thing you could be wrong about, for four years. They didn’t stop being wrong for being exposed to the consequences of their follies: they stopped because one side ran out of stuff.
In the same way, being a UFC fighter shows, in rough terms (that were good enough for Mohammed Ali) that you’re good at beating people up. It doesn’t meant that you have an intellectual understanding of the subject that can be transferred to other situations that strongly differ from the single one in which you’ve been proven to excel. Being a fighter and understanding the broader subject of fighting in many different situations are two different things, and they’re not always found in the same individual.[/quote]
Honestly, you have completely lost me, I have no idea what this means. Who has a knife scar on their hand? what the fuck is going on in here?
Someone…define “average” guy. Seems certain fools want to apply traits of a “below average pansy” to mean “average.”
The actual average American man is 34 years old, 5’9" 175. Runs an 8 minute and change mile. Has a roughly 180 bench. 13 in biceps, 40 in chest, 34 in waist.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
The actual average American man is 34 years old, 5’9" 175. Runs an 8 minute and change mile. Has a roughly 180 bench. 13 in biceps, 40 in chest, 34 in waist.[/quote]
Multiply that by six…lol. Seriously though…you can’t really make assumptions that someone is “average” and is not capable of serious violence(unarmed or not)…and that’s just the physicality.