As for HD, my experience, and I emphasize “my”, was that it lead to deconditioning. I tried it, but wasn’t a fan of it.
As for High Intenstiy Training, but in different ways than you might think. Before I get into my routine(s), let me define what I mean by HIT: sometimes it includes failure, other times it doesn’t. It does include one set per exercise but, sometiimes, multiple sets per body part: incline/decline bench, bent arm flies, flat bench. Three sets of compound exercises focusing on the chest. I do that with other body parts as well.
I also do mutliple sets per exercise, sometimes using faster cadences and sometimes slower cadences. Sometimes the workouts are heavy weights/low reps, other times they are lighter weights and high reps, still maintaining a high degree of intensity, sometimes to MMF other times not.
Sometimes these workouts will include a resisted Tabata protocol and sometimes an unresisted Tabata.
My point is this: I have seen steady increases over the past few years using various methods. Which is best? The answer is Yes.
We can all sound cool and opionated, looking like we have all the answers. My challenge to us all, myself included, is to first figure out the questions.
my name is killer. and no not like a murder but like weight training killer. I love weight lifting and nothing is better than hitting the gym , if you want to bulk up its not in your mucsles in your mind. i know that 4 sure. 1 month ago i was weighting at 154 and now i am 183 , all safe , no steroids just protein and other supplements and dedication. and 1 month let me remind you , ive jumped up 70lbs on my bench.if you want toknow just let me know how .im not punny nomore, im getting impressive strength gain and just getting better.
[quote]bulking machine wrote:
my name is killer. and no not like a murder but like weight training killer. I love weight lifting and nothing is better than hitting the gym , if you want to bulk up its not in your mucsles in your mind. i know that 4 sure. 1 month ago i was weighting at 154 and now i am 183 , all safe , no steroids just protein and other supplements and dedication. and 1 month let me remind you , ive jumped up 70lbs on my bench.if you want toknow just let me know how .im not punny nomore, im getting impressive strength gain and just getting better.[/quote]
Yeah, the thing that sucks (or maybe it’s great) is that soooo many protocols work. I seem to have tried them all at some point or another. It does seem however that periodic layoffs every 5-6 weeks or deloading every 5-6 weeks always works no matter what we are doing especially as we get older.
[quote]bulking machine wrote:
my name is killer. and no not like a murder but like weight training killer. I love weight lifting and nothing is better than hitting the gym , if you want to bulk up its not in your mucsles in your mind. i know that 4 sure. 1 month ago i was weighting at 154 and now i am 183 , all safe , no steroids just protein and other supplements and dedication. and 1 month let me remind you , ive jumped up 70lbs on my bench.if you want toknow just let me know how .im not punny nomore, im getting impressive strength gain and just getting better.[/quote]
lET ME GUESS. yOU aRE oN thE sPAm DieT. iF yOU pm me YoUr eMAiL aDDreSS i wILL GIvE YOu ALl THE dETAiLS. yOU wILL gET huGE! i fOlLOWED tHe sPAM dIeT AND pUT LiKE 200 LBS oN MY bENCH JUST bY sPAMING wEBsITES.
[quote]Joebob wrote:
lET ME GUESS. yOU aRE oN thE sPAm DieT. iF yOU pm me YoUr eMAiL aDDreSS i wILL GIvE YOu ALl THE dETAiLS. yOU wILL gET huGE! i fOlLOWED tHe sPAM dIeT AND pUT LiKE 200 LBS oN MY bENCH JUST bY sPAMING wEBsITES. [/quote]
Bwa-ha-ha-ha,
Derek,
In Westside training perhaps they are doing the failed attempts because they’re constantly striving to improve the maximal weight, and when that’s the main means of progression they miscalculate quite often. That would make sence because if you miss a weight by a just a little you can know where you are strength-wise with great precision(which I’m guessing they would really like to know). Just trying to figure it out…
[quote]Pain for Life wrote:
“Training to a point of momentary failure, at which the completion of another full rep is impossible despite your greatest effort, is the only way to force the body to resort to its reserves sufficiently to stimulate real growth. None of us needs to be reminded that growth never comes easy”…
…“more brutal moment to moment-will raise the intensity and the effectiveness”
Update on my stats now at 181 Love this Heavy Duty life style…workout once or twice a week and free up some precious time …
Pain
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Give us another update in 6 - 8 months - an honest one. Those of us who have tried HD know what to expect if you are objective.
[quote]throttle132 wrote:
Pain for Life wrote:
“Training to a point of momentary failure, at which the completion of another full rep is impossible despite your greatest effort, is the only way to force the body to resort to its reserves sufficiently to stimulate real growth. None of us needs to be reminded that growth never comes easy”…
…“more brutal moment to moment-will raise the intensity and the effectiveness”
Update on my stats now at 181 Love this Heavy Duty life style…workout once or twice a week and free up some precious time …
Pain
Give us another update in 6 - 8 months - an honest one. Those of us who have tried HD know what to expect if you are objective.[/quote]
Hmm I wasn’t aware you were the spokesperson for those of us who have tried HD …
Seriously before you call someone a liar you should clarify what you find so hard to believe.What reason would I have to lie ?
I apologize for your lack of Heavy Duty knowledge might I recomend a book how about High Intensity Training by
Mike Mentzer ??
No you can’t recommend a book and have somebody spending money on a Star Wars explanation. If your best argument is to let the book do the talking for you then you don’t belong in a debate. It’s a well-known fact that leading strength coaches agree that there’s little-to-none correlation between pain and progress. If you have something to say - spit it out.
I can’t remember his name, but he (or supposedly his friend or brother) got kicked off for posting threats, then he came back with another name talking about being in a poker tournament and wearing a T-Nation shirt.
I can’t remember his name, but he (or supposedly his friend or brother) got kicked off for posting threats, then he came back with another name talking about being in a poker tournament and wearing a T-Nation shirt.
I don’t think we’ve heard much from him since.
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mls jr?
Stay down, or the Meanness will go ragdoll on your ass?
I can’t remember his name, but he (or supposedly his friend or brother) got kicked off for posting threats, then he came back with another name talking about being in a poker tournament and wearing a T-Nation shirt.
I don’t think we’ve heard much from him since.
mls jr?
Stay down, or the Meanness will go ragdoll on your ass?
That guy?[/quote]
LOL. ya, That’s him.
I missed all those threads so I didn’t get any threats.
I think it was you who gave me those links to his older posts.
[quote]Majin wrote:
No you can’t recommend a book and have somebody spending money on a Star Wars explanation. If your best argument is to let the book do the talking for you then you don’t belong in a debate. It’s a well-known fact that leading strength coaches agree that there’s little-to-none correlation between pain and progress. If you have something to say - spit it out.[/quote]
I said what I had to say in my first post …you know the one that started this “debate”…actually I started
this thread to share my experience with people who may not have known about HD even though it’s been around since the 70’s.
If you are into another workout protocol by all means why don’t you share it …
