Heavy Cream

Nutrition
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[quote]jpb wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
G87 wrote:
jCaesar, your response to JMoUCF87 is out of line. What he said is accurate; heavy cream isn’t the best, but it’s not the devil either, and is basically OK in moderation. Is there something I don’t know?

Your response to me is out of line. Re-read what I said. I wasn’t even talking about heavy cream. And I judged by his posts I seen in other threads

The title of the post is “Heavy Cream” – that’s not what you meant?

jpb
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I was waiting for someone to point that out. And no, that was not what I was talking about when I responded to JMo. If you read my response to him, you’ll see that I was talking about him, and not the original topic.
However, it doesn’t matter. I got my answer for what I wanted. I’m done

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I think you need to have your vagina inspected for sand, personally.

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Why are saturated fats bad? Personally, I feel polyunsaturated fats should be the villified fat (trans fat too). Pufa’s are more prone to oxidation which would result in more free radical damage and spontaneous cell membrane destruction. Also, omega 6 fatty acids role as eicosanoids are another reason to limit pufa consumption. omega 3’s imo are good.

Can someone give me any definitive evidence that saturated fat leads to health problems? I can only think of the fluid mosaic model and that still isn’t really solid evidence.

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[quote]latenight_lifter wrote:
Why are saturated fats bad? Personally, I feel polyunsaturated fats should be the villified fat (trans fat too). Pufa’s are more prone to oxidation which would result in more free radical damage and spontaneous cell membrane destruction. Also, omega 6 fatty acids role as eicosanoids are another reason to limit pufa consumption. omega 3’s imo are good.

Can someone give me any definitive evidence that saturated fat leads to health problems? I can only think of the fluid mosaic model and that still isn’t really solid evidence. [/quote]

can anyone provide any “definitive evidence” of ANY food directly causing a health problem? no (not even trans fats)

health problems are always due to a variety of factors including age, weight, activity levels, stress levels, environmental factors, and genetic predisposition.

yeah, it’s easy to say “X food causes Y disease”, but nothing is ever that simple.

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[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
JMo- my “beef” (notice the quotes) was with the way you say things, that’s all.[/quote]

Oh, so now we’re going to attack beef?

Bunch of vegan, motherfucking conspiracy theorists…

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
to be honest, there are MUCH better sources of excess calories. despite the popular belief around here, saturated fats are not a panacea. they don’t increase your testosterone levels, and they CAN have detrimental health effects.

Though sat. fats aren’t the devil they are sometimes portrayed to be, it isn’t a good idea to chug it down either.

Moderation works. Eat 1/4 to 1/3 of your total calories from fat, and aim for a balanced intake of saturates, polys and monos. Simply eating eggs, dairy and leaner cuts of meat will get you where you should be wrt sat. fat intake. Adding a bunch of heavy cream of top of that will almost certainly push you over what is needed by the body.[/quote]

Why? Why should one eat a balance of pufa, mufa, and saturates? What evidence do you have to make this claim? And what detrimental health effects CAN saturates have?

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[quote]latenight_lifter wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
to be honest, there are MUCH better sources of excess calories. despite the popular belief around here, saturated fats are not a panacea. they don’t increase your testosterone levels, and they CAN have detrimental health effects.

Though sat. fats aren’t the devil they are sometimes portrayed to be, it isn’t a good idea to chug it down either.

Moderation works. Eat 1/4 to 1/3 of your total calories from fat, and aim for a balanced intake of saturates, polys and monos. Simply eating eggs, dairy and leaner cuts of meat will get you where you should be wrt sat. fat intake. Adding a bunch of heavy cream of top of that will almost certainly push you over what is needed by the body.

Why? Why should one eat a balance of pufa, mufa, and saturates? What evidence do you have to make this claim? And what detrimental health effects CAN saturates have?[/quote]

To be honest I have no hard data behind my reccomendation of an even breakdown of fats, it just seems to me the best way to hedge your bets against the possible benifits/drawbacks of any one type of fat is to ingest an evenly balanced mix.

This doesn’t mean you have to get super anal about getting 33.3% of each, just make sure to eat some whole eggs/red meat, mixed nuts, and fish oils every day. I’m sure most everyone on this board does exactly that anways, so most people aren’t far off from ideal in that regard.

as far as detrimental health effects from sat fat intake, an overwhelming amount of data has it implicated in heart disease (again, this is a very complex issue and is certainly more complex than “you’re eating too much saturated fat”, but it almost certainly plays a role)

also, for more physique minded individuals, are stored in the body in such a way that it makes them harder to be mobilized and burned (i.e. it’s harder to get ripped). it also makes cell walls more rigid than do mufas and pufas, impairing cellular signaling. and some studies have shown lower post-meal fat oxidation when comparing a high sat fat meal to a high mufa meal

See: Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2002 Jun;26(6):814-21.
The influence of the type of dietary fat on postprandial fat oxidation rates: monounsaturated (olive oil) vs saturated fat (cream).

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thanks for the study. I wonder what mechanism caused higher fat oxidation rates w/ olive oil? My guess is that since our body fat is mostly saturated fat that consumed saturates would be more prone to fat storage. My main concern with fats is pufas. I still consume a high quality fish oil though. She lays it out pretty well…

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/essentialfattyaciddef.html

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[quote]latenight_lifter wrote:
thanks for the study. I wonder what mechanism caused higher fat oxidation rates w/ olive oil? My guess is that since our body fat is mostly saturated fat that consumed saturates would be more prone to fat storage. My main concern with fats is pufas. I still consume a high quality fish oil though. She lays it out pretty well…

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/essentialfattyaciddef.html [/quote]

Weston Price people are a bunch of whack jobs imo. they have a hard on for saturated fat and and (as usual) blame the evil carbohydrates for all the social ills of the world.

I wouldn’t look to them an an authority on anything.

(note: that doesn’t mean getting excessive amounts of pufas is necessarily a good thing either, hence, everything in moderation)

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
I think you need to have your vagina inspected for sand, personally.[/quote]

Cut the lad some slack, his parents hid his protein powders for easter, apparently (earlier thread) ;).