Heart Surgeon: What Causes Heart Disease

Nutrition
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

This, at this point Dr’s cant make people stop eating at McDonalds, but they damn well can put them on statins to reduce part of the issue.

Of course the lay person or paranoid person things big pharma or Docs are just trying to make money. [/quote]

You’re absolutely (of course) right that pharma companies cannot stop people eating fast food, but I am 100% sure that even if they could, they sure as hell wouldn’t.
[/quote]

You are right, but at least big pharma while being a business IS in the business of at least curing/treating disease. Do you really want them to stop developing meds?

How long would it take until a simple skin infection kills off half the population?[/quote]

I think the skin infection example is a bit drastic, the pharama business is in business to help people, but at the same time helping people should be about prevention and education of good health practices rather than coming up with a pill for everything. But that’s not profitable to them. However that is profitable to insurance companies…

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[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Well you could pretty much get rid of STD’s by not fucking bareback on a $2 whore, but most men think with their dick so there you go.

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[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

This, at this point Dr’s cant make people stop eating at McDonalds, but they damn well can put them on statins to reduce part of the issue.

Of course the lay person or paranoid person things big pharma or Docs are just trying to make money. [/quote]

You’re absolutely (of course) right that pharma companies cannot stop people eating fast food, but I am 100% sure that even if they could, they sure as hell wouldn’t.
[/quote]

You are right, but at least big pharma while being a business IS in the business of at least curing/treating disease. Do you really want them to stop developing meds?

How long would it take until a simple skin infection kills off half the population?[/quote]

I think the skin infection example is a bit drastic, the pharama business is in business to help people, but at the same time helping people should be about prevention and education of good health practices rather than coming up with a pill for everything. But that’s not profitable to them. However that is profitable to insurance companies…
[/quote]

Actually it is not drastic, been in the medical field for 20 years with my masters degree.

Microbes will eventually take us all out, the world of anti-virals and anti-biotics is not being drastic. We have resistant bugs right now they have no solution for.

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[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.[/quote]

No

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.[/quote]

No[/quote]
…and there ya go.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.[/quote]

No[/quote]

No? I say yes. I agree other things like eating more healthy is a big part, but you can’t tell me a good amount of fish oil per day would not offset that inflammation process. Stop disagreeing with me just to disagree. lol, its getting old.
s

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.[/quote]

No[/quote]

No? I say yes. I agree other things like eating more healthy is a big part, but you can’t tell me a good amount of fish oil per day would not offset that inflammation process. Stop disagreeing with me just to disagree. lol, its getting old.
s[/quote]
Yeah, that 20 years of medical experience doesn’t compare to … whatever it is you have…

the bastard’s just being a disagreeable prick.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

No? I say yes. I agree other things like eating more healthy is a big part, but you can’t tell me a good amount of fish oil per day would not offset that inflammation process. Stop disagreeing with me just to disagree. lol, its getting old.
s[/quote]

I think the point is that a little extra fish oil isn’t going to compensate for the massive amounts of sugar and bad fats which are a mainstay in peoples’ diets. Did you read how far off the ratios are? Clearly you didn’t. Your average person would have to throw out 98% of their food and drink gallons of fish oil: not possible.

The only way to change this situation is as the Dr in the article said: people need to go back to raw whole foods and change their whole philosophy on food.

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Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check. Secondly have you read the amount of bias on the website where the ‘Doctor’ has written this article? His book costs $49.95 and he has shares in a health company that sell omega oils and the like. Finally, he isn’t actually a doctor as his medical license has been revoked. Probably why he got in to the business of conning by using his fake doctorate.

It isn’t the pharmaceutical companies responsibility to educate people about food choices. It’s their job to manufacture and sell pharmaceuticals. Yes they mess up quite a lot but on the whole without them we would be screwed. Look at third world countries and the average age of death then try telling me that we don’t need modern drugs and that a change in diet is the be all and end all.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Alright you two, stop hijacking my thread with this trolling, take it to off topic.

@yarni and dereik,

I agree the best solution of for people to change their diets, but most people won’t because to them taking a pill everyday is easier or they are simply uneducated, and there are a lot more companies profiting off peoples poor health decisions than the pharmaceuticals[/quote]

Isn’t the simple answer is to just add Omega 3 fish oil to offset the omega 6. And fish oil is well known for its anti inflammatory properties.[/quote]

No[/quote]

No? I say yes. I agree other things like eating more healthy is a big part, but you can’t tell me a good amount of fish oil per day would not offset that inflammation process. Stop disagreeing with me just to disagree. lol, its getting old.
s[/quote]
Yeah, that 20 years of medical experience doesn’t compare to … whatever it is you have…

the bastard’s just being a disagreeable prick.

[/quote]

Well, his medical degree should tell him just how potent and well proven fish oils are.

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[quote]oly-ali wrote:
Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check. Secondly have you read the amount of bias on the website where the ‘Doctor’ has written this article? His book costs $49.95 and he has shares in a health company that sell omega oils and the like. Finally, he isn’t actually a doctor as his medical license has been revoked. Probably why he got in to the business of conning by using his fake doctorate.

It isn’t the pharmaceutical companies responsibility to educate people about food choices. It’s their job to manufacture and sell pharmaceuticals. Yes they mess up quite a lot but on the whole without them we would be screwed. Look at third world countries and the average age of death then try telling me that we don’t need modern drugs and that a change in diet is the be all and end all. [/quote]

I do know that I have read about the cholesterol not being responsible for some time now. That inflammation is the culprit.

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Posted 2 days ago - Cardiovascular Health…? from Charles Poliquin

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[quote]oly-ali wrote:
Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check.
[/quote]

So you think some Dr just randomly made up this stuff? And no one in the medical field has disputed this rating system? And you’re going to ‘look into it’? YOU?!! haha, ok, you get right on that, the medical world is waiting in anticipation for your results.

[quote]oly-ali wrote:
It isn’t the pharmaceutical companies responsibility to educate people about food choices. It’s their job to manufacture and sell pharmaceuticals. Yes they mess up quite a lot but on the whole without them we would be screwed. Look at third world countries and the average age of death then try telling me that we don’t need modern drugs and that a change in diet is the be all and end all. [/quote]

You make it sound as if 3rd world countries have such a high mortality rate because of a lack of medication, but in reality it is the lack of basic essentials which puts poor people in a position where medication is needed. Yes, there are times when drugs save lives; their value cannot be estimated in these cases, but in many (if not most) cases invasive drugs are used because of a lack of prevention on the patients behalf (in the case of 3rd world countires through no fault of their own of course).

And your response to the terrible conditions people endure in poor countries? Better access to drugs? Hmm, you haven’t really thought this through have you; although with that attitude, Im sure there’s a very bright career awaiting you in a big Pharma company/

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[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]oly-ali wrote:
Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check.
[/quote]

So you think some Dr just randomly made up this stuff? And no one in the medical field has disputed this rating system? And you’re going to ‘look into it’? YOU?!! haha, ok, you get right on that, the medical world is waiting in anticipation for your results.
[/quote]

"The IF Ratings displayed on NutritionData.com are based on the independent work of nutritionist Monica Reinagel. Basic information about the IF Ratings is provided on our Inflammation Help page. For more detailed information, please consult Monica Reinagel’s book, The Inflammation Free Diet Plan, or her Web site, http://inflammationfactor.com. "

A non-doctor made it up. No one is disputing it because no one takes it seriously.

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[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]oly-ali wrote:
Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check.
[/quote]

So you think some Dr just randomly made up this stuff? And no one in the medical field has disputed this rating system? And you’re going to ‘look into it’? YOU?!! haha, ok, you get right on that, the medical world is waiting in anticipation for your results.
[/quote]

"The IF Ratings displayed on NutritionData.com are based on the independent work of nutritionist Monica Reinagel. Basic information about the IF Ratings is provided on our Inflammation Help page. For more detailed information, please consult Monica Reinagel’s book, The Inflammation Free Diet Plan, or her Web site, http://inflammationfactor.com. "

A non-doctor made it up. No one is disputing it because no one takes it seriously.[/quote]

Her work is supported by scientists and doctors, and based on their work. She is a RESEARCHER. That you think this shit has been allowed to fly for so long without anyone questioning it, whereas you, in your infinite wisdom, can come along and call bullshit without even looking into it is laughable. Really, think before you write.

Here’s what she has to say on the method:

‘To determine whether a certain food might promote or suppress inflaammation and by how much, you have to weigh the effects of dozens ofdifferent factors. In fact, to get a really accu-rate answer, you need to know the precise composition ofthefood, down to the level ofindividual fatty-acid molecules. Youhave to consider the amount and type offats, along with thequantities ofvarious antioxidants, vitamins, and minerals. You alsoneed to know the amount ofsugar in the food and how fast thatsugar is metabolized in the body. Finally, you have to take intoaccount how the food was prepared, because any or all ofthesefactors can be altered when a food is cooked or preserved.’

However Im sure your method is just as accurate. I mean you’re a ‘non-doctor’ too right? You must know just as much as her.

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[quote]yarni wrote:
'Monica Reinagel, MS, LN, CNS[/quote]

I always find it funny when people do this.

If you wanna put some letters after your name THAT badly, get the good ones.

-Anonym, BSc, MT(ASCP), CphT

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[quote]Meni69 wrote:
Posted 2 days ago - Cardiovascular Health…? from Charles Poliquin
[/quote]

LOL… So Charles Poliquin now has his own test to evaluate heart disease risk? Not to completely disregard his opinion, because it does make some sense, but does he ever publish any of his miracle solutions in peer reviewed scientific or medical journals?

My guess is no because a lot of what he spouts seems to derive from anecdotal evidence…

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:
'Monica Reinagel, MS, LN, CNS[/quote]

I always find it funny when people do this.

If you wanna put some letters after your name THAT badly, get the good ones.

-Anonym, BSc, MT(ASCP), CphT[/quote]

Yup, that was a hasty quote, my edited post is clearer I believe

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[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:

[quote]oly-ali wrote:
Firstly I’m pretty sure those ‘imflammatory factors’ are just made up, although I will check.
[/quote]

So you think some Dr just randomly made up this stuff? And no one in the medical field has disputed this rating system? And you’re going to ‘look into it’? YOU?!! haha, ok, you get right on that, the medical world is waiting in anticipation for your results.
[/quote]

"The IF Ratings displayed on NutritionData.com are based on the independent work of nutritionist Monica Reinagel. Basic information about the IF Ratings is provided on our Inflammation Help page. For more detailed information, please consult Monica Reinagel’s book, The Inflammation Free Diet Plan, or her Web site, http://inflammationfactor.com. "

A non-doctor made it up. No one is disputing it because no one takes it seriously.[/quote]

Her work is supported by scientists and doctors, and based on their work. She is a RESEARCHER. That you think this shit has been allowed to fly for so long without anyone questioning it, whereas you, in your infinite wisdom, can come along and call bullshit without even looking into it is laughable. Really, think before you write.

Here’s what she has to say on the method:

‘To determine whether a certain food might promote or suppress inflaammation and by how much, you have to weigh the effects of dozens ofdifferent factors. In fact, to get a really accu-rate answer, you need to know the precise composition ofthefood, down to the level ofindividual fatty-acid molecules. Youhave to consider the amount and type offats, along with thequantities ofvarious antioxidants, vitamins, and minerals. You alsoneed to know the amount ofsugar in the food and how fast thatsugar is metabolized in the body. Finally, you have to take intoaccount how the food was prepared, because any or all ofthesefactors can be altered when a food is cooked or preserved.’

However Im sure your method is just as accurate. I mean you’re a ‘non-doctor’ too right? You must know just as much as her.
[/quote]
She looks at the food but forgets the human eating it*. We’re different. We don’t have anywhere near identical reactions to cod liver oil, glucose or gluten. Putting a number as ridiculously precise as -1798 on it is just as stupid as saying you need to eat 42.3 grams of protein exactly 243.657 seconds after your last work set to build in excess of 13 grams of muscle a week.

*This is shown for example by her homocystein rant. Correlation has been shown, not causation. You work hard to make it sound like complicated science but the reality is that it’s way more complicated than that and that she doesn’t account for the human part of the equation. And since that’s where inflammation comes from, you miss such a big part of the picture that you’re essentially blind. Inflammation is more complicated than addition and subtraction. Deal with it.