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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Sounds to me like the guy is naturally homosexual… it’s not a matter of being “homosexual by choice”. He tried to repress his true nature, and he couldn’t contain it forever.
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wtf ? with that kind of guilt it sounds to me like this guy is CATHOLIC! i thought these evangelicals were all about redemption and being saved from sin. wouldn’t it then follow that you must have some sin in order to get saved ? that the greatest men of their church would then also be the greatest sinners ?
isn’t that the precedent set by st. paul ? shouldn’t they see this as an awesome opportunity to exercise what their faith is about ? shouldn’t this guy be thanking the lord for the sin in his life so that he has something to be saved from ?
it’s pretty fucking fucked up when you think that these people split from the church so they wouldn’t have to obey an “infallible” human pope and then here they go expecting perfection from their leaders. how can ANYONE take them seriously if they don’t let this guy stay on and at least try to work it out ?
[quote]swivel wrote:
how can ANYONE take them seriously if they don’t let this guy stay on and at least try to work it out ?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure he is welcome to stay on and work it out, just not as the leader of the church. He was removed as the leader, not kicked out. Are you saying that he should be allowed to stay on in his leadership position while he “works out” his pole smoking issues?
…Often (certainly not always)…
Smitty:
Pick someone else to bait, because you’re wasting your time on me…and READ my original post.
Mufasa
What is this world coming to if you can’t trust a meth-dealing man whore to keep a secret?
[quote]harris447 wrote:
What is this world coming to if you can’t trust a meth-dealing man whore to keep a secret?
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that’s what i’m sayin’ ! this guy jones has NO motivation to rat him out. lose your business ? piss off all your customers and fellow pole-smoking meth whores ? we’re supposed to believe this guy did this for PRINCIPLE? anyone buy that shit about gay marriage??? fucking come on. someone’s paying this cat. meth whore’s are all about money. (nttatwwt)
[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
futuredave wrote:
Brad61 wrote:
I wonder if this story will change anyone’s mind, about the idea that being gay is a “choice” and not something you are naturally drawn to…
No. If anything it will make them more homophobic.
Here’s the logic: See how clever and powerful Satan is! He turned one of our best and brightest into a cock-gobbler!
Think what a veritable cum-fest it will be for your sons and brothers and fathers and grandpas if you “normalize” faggotry by allowing gay marriage. People won’t be able to sit still in church because their assholes will be inflamed from buggery!
Get out and vote, before Satan turns you into a nut-licking fruitloop. Amen.
Wow you know everything huh?
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Yes. Thanks for noticing.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…Often (certainly not always)…
Smitty:
Pick someone else to bait, because you’re wasting your time on me…and READ my original post.
Mufasa
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If you’re changing your mind now great. But we both know what you wrote and it’s just not correct.
Live with it.
[quote]tme wrote:
swivel wrote:
how can ANYONE take them seriously if they don’t let this guy stay on and at least try to work it out ?
I’m pretty sure he is welcome to stay on and work it out, just not as the leader of the church. He was removed as the leader, not kicked out. Are you saying that he should be allowed to stay on in his leadership position while he “works out” his pole smoking issues?
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Here’s the text from the letter he had them read on Sunday at church. I think he should be removed from office, but I think it’s a very sad that he’s saying he will “never” return. He clearly had leadership abilities and could inspire many people. It’s a shame he can’t work through his cock-gobblery and return a new man, with a deeper compassion for others.
Anyhoo, here’s his mea culpa:
November 5, 2006
My Dear New Life Church Family,
I am so sorry. I am sorry for the disappointment, the betrayal, and the hurt. I am sorry for
the horrible example I have set for you.
I have an overwhelming, all-consuming sadness in my heart for the pain that you and I
and my family have experienced over the past few days. I am so sorry for the
circumstances that have caused shame and embarrassment to all of you.
I asked that this note be read to you this morning so I could clarify my heart’s condition
to you. The last four days have been so difficult for me, my family and all of you, and I
have further confused the situation with some of the things I’ve said during interviews
with reporters who would catch me coming or going from my home. But I alone am
responsible for the confusion caused by my inconsistent statements. The fact is, I am
guilty of sexual immorality, and I take responsibility for the entire problem.
I am a deceiver and a liar. There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I?ve
been warring against it all of my adult life. For extended periods of time, I would enjoy
victory and rejoice in freedom. Then, from time to time, the dirt that I thought was gone
would resurface, and I would find myself thinking thoughts and experiencing desires that
were contrary to everything I believe and teach.
Through the years, I?ve sought assistance in a variety of ways, with none of them proving
to be effective in me. Then, because of pride, I began deceiving those I love the most
because I didn?t want to hurt or disappoint them.
The public person I was wasn?t a lie; it was just incomplete. When I stopped
communicating about my problems, the darkness increased and finally dominated me. As
a result, I did things that were contrary to everything I believe.
The accusations that have been leveled against me are not all true, but enough of them are
true that I have been appropriately and lovingly removed from ministry. Our church’s
overseers have required me to submit to the oversight of Dr. James Dobson, Pastor Jack
Hayford, and Pastor Tommy Barnett. Those men will perform a thorough analysis of my
mental, spiritual, emotional, and physical life. They will guide me through a program
with the goal of healing and restoration for my life, my marriage, and my family.
I created this entire situation. The things that I did opened the door for additional
allegations. But I am responsible; I alone need to be disciplined and corrected. An
example must be set.
It is important that you know how much I love and appreciate my wife, Gayle. What I did
should never reflect in a negative way on her relationship with me. She has been and
continues to be incredible. The problem was not with her, my children, or any of you. It
was created 100% by me.
I have been permanently removed from the office of Senior Pastor of New Life Church.
Until a new senior pastor is chosen, our Associate Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley, will
assume all of the responsibilities of the office. On the day he accepted this new role, he
and his wife, Aimee, had a new baby boy. A new life in the midst of this circumstance?I
consider that confluence of events to be prophetic. Please commit to join with Pastor
Ross and the others in church leadership to make their service to you easy and without
burden. They are fine leaders. You are blessed.
I appreciate your loving and forgiving nature, and I humbly ask you to do a few things:
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Please stay faithful to God through service and giving.
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Please forgive me. I am so embarrassed and ashamed. I caused this and I have no
excuse. I am a sinner. I have fallen. I desperately need to be forgiven and healed. -
Please forgive my accuser. He is revealing the deception and sensuality that was
in my life. Those sins, and others, need to be dealt with harshly. So, forgive him
and, actually, thank God for him. I am trusting that his actions will make me, my
wife and family, and ultimately all of you, stronger. He didn?t violate you; I did. -
Please stay faithful to each other. Perform your functions well. Encourage each
other and rejoice in God?s faithfulness. Our church body is a beautiful body, and
like every family, our strength is tested and proven in the midst of adversity.
Because of the negative publicity I?ve created with my foolishness, we can now
demonstrate to the world how our sick and wounded can be healed, and how even
disappointed and betrayed church bodies can prosper and rejoice.
Gayle and I need to be gone for a while. We will never return to a leadership role at
New Life Church. In our hearts, we will always be members of this body. We love
you as our family. I know this situation will put you to the test. I?m sorry I?ve created
the test, but please rise to this challenge and demonstrate the incredible grace that is
available to all of us.
Ted Haggard
[quote]futuredave wrote:
Here’s the text from the letter he had them read on Sunday at church. I think he should be removed from office, but I think it’s a very sad that he’s saying he will “never” return. He clearly had leadership abilities and could inspire many people. It’s a shame he can’t work through his cock-gobblery and return a new man, with a deeper compassion for others.[/quote]
Sounds more like Stage One of PR Redemption to me.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
LOL!
You guys are NUTS!
Agree…do what you want; BUT…
It’s just a strange part of human nature, isn’t it?
Often (certainly not always), it seem that the more someone seems to “Crusade” against something, the more likely it is that they are fighting their own inner “demons”?
Mufasa[/quote]
Yes. The people who are most on their high horse about morals and values seemingly are the most debased and corrupt people around and woudn’t know a moral or value if it bit them on the ass.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
The people who are most on their high horse about morals and values seemingly are the most debased and corrupt people around and woudn’t know a moral or value if it bit them on the ass.[/quote]
Or just gave them a rim job.