[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The best part is that he did half those lifts with a popped collar.
Come at me broski.[/quote]
LOL!
Yeah, but who would call him a douchebag?
[/quote]
Chuck Norris, and some would believe Bruce Lee
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The best part is that he did half those lifts with a popped collar.
Come at me broski.[/quote]
LOL!
Yeah, but who would call him a douchebag?
[/quote]
When you can throw around that much weight you get to do pretty much whatever you want. I wouldn’t say a word if I saw him curling in the squat rack.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The best part is that he did half those lifts with a popped collar.
Come at me broski.[/quote]
LOL!
Yeah, but who would call him a douchebag?
[/quote]
When you can throw around that much weight you get to do pretty much whatever you want. I wouldn’t say a word if I saw him curling in the squat rack. [/quote]
That would be because he is curling the actual squat rack.
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
But what’s his Fran time??? [/quote]
This for the win.
Guy is a damn monster.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The best part is that he did half those lifts with a popped collar.
Come at me broski.[/quote]
LOL!
Yeah, but who would call him a douchebag?
[/quote]
When you can throw around that much weight you get to do pretty much whatever you want. I wouldn’t say a word if I saw him curling in the squat rack. [/quote]
because he would be curling more than I can dead lift.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The best part is that he did half those lifts with a popped collar.
Come at me broski.[/quote]
LOL!
Yeah, but who would call him a douchebag?
[/quote]
When you can throw around that much weight you get to do pretty much whatever you want. I wouldn’t say a word if I saw him curling in the squat rack. [/quote]
That would be because he is curling the actual squat rack. [/quote]
haha, missed this one before my last post, beat me to it and much better said!
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
I also believe there were some politics involved in him NOT getting picked for the Olympics, that and Chigishev had slightly better lift but not by much.[/quote]
While there may have been some politics involved there, I think Chigishev was the better choice. While Misha has snatched 210 (8 years ago) and clean and jerked 250 (6 years ago), between the 2 weightlifting meets he’s done in the last year his bests are a 200 snatch and a 241 clean and jerk, whereas Chigishev lifted 210/250 in Beijing. [/quote]
I agree, however I feel that if he hadn’t had issues with the Russian weightlifting federation his numbers would have been better by now. It must be disappointing to know you have the potential to be a gold medalist yet you cant even make it into the Russian team for any sort of competition, not even the smaller ones. I guess that’s why he moved onto strongman, although it seems like he wants to start training specifically for weightlifting now and rumor has it he might lift for another country. I hope he does, he deserves to be competitive in the sport.[/quote]
Chigishev has been often injured of late…I think Misha might be doing better than him now. lets hope he gets to lift for Belarus
His lifts are pretty impressive, but what kind of weight is he pushing on the zercher squat?
ha!
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
I also believe there were some politics involved in him NOT getting picked for the Olympics, that and Chigishev had slightly better lift but not by much.[/quote]
While there may have been some politics involved there, I think Chigishev was the better choice. While Misha has snatched 210 (8 years ago) and clean and jerked 250 (6 years ago), between the 2 weightlifting meets he’s done in the last year his bests are a 200 snatch and a 241 clean and jerk, whereas Chigishev lifted 210/250 in Beijing. [/quote]
I agree, however I feel that if he hadn’t had issues with the Russian weightlifting federation his numbers would have been better by now. It must be disappointing to know you have the potential to be a gold medalist yet you cant even make it into the Russian team for any sort of competition, not even the smaller ones. I guess that’s why he moved onto strongman, although it seems like he wants to start training specifically for weightlifting now and rumor has it he might lift for another country. I hope he does, he deserves to be competitive in the sport.[/quote]
Chigishev has been often injured of late…I think Misha might be doing better than him now. lets hope he gets to lift for Belarus [/quote]
If Chigishev’s healthy I think he’s the better lifter, but that’s a pretty big if these days it seems. And I think Belarus is out of the question for Koklyaev at this point, I can’t remember the exact reason, but I do know Misha competed at the Russian nationals recently (where he bombed out in the clean and jerk, and the winner lifted 204/248). Deserves got nothing to do with it, if Misha doesn’t lift in London it’ll be because there’s better Russian lifters they can send and at this (incredibly early) stage I’d say that’s likely.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
I also believe there were some politics involved in him NOT getting picked for the Olympics, that and Chigishev had slightly better lift but not by much.[/quote]
While there may have been some politics involved there, I think Chigishev was the better choice. While Misha has snatched 210 (8 years ago) and clean and jerked 250 (6 years ago), between the 2 weightlifting meets he’s done in the last year his bests are a 200 snatch and a 241 clean and jerk, whereas Chigishev lifted 210/250 in Beijing. [/quote]
I agree, however I feel that if he hadn’t had issues with the Russian weightlifting federation his numbers would have been better by now. It must be disappointing to know you have the potential to be a gold medalist yet you cant even make it into the Russian team for any sort of competition, not even the smaller ones. I guess that’s why he moved onto strongman, although it seems like he wants to start training specifically for weightlifting now and rumor has it he might lift for another country. I hope he does, he deserves to be competitive in the sport.[/quote]
Chigishev has been often injured of late…I think Misha might be doing better than him now. lets hope he gets to lift for Belarus [/quote]
If Chigishev’s healthy I think he’s the better lifter, but that’s a pretty big if these days it seems. And I think Belarus is out of the question for Koklyaev at this point, I can’t remember the exact reason, but I do know Misha competed at the Russian nationals recently (where he bombed out in the clean and jerk, and the winner lifted 204/248). Deserves got nothing to do with it, if Misha doesn’t lift in London it’ll be because there’s better Russian lifters they can send and at this (incredibly early) stage I’d say that’s likely.[/quote]
You missed the point I was trying to make.
He is obviously very strong and if Russia doesn’t want him and/or if he isn’t good enough to make it into the Russian team then he should be looking to lift for another country. With his numbers he deserves to be competitive in the sport, you don’t have many people in the world putting up his numbers who aren’t competing seriously.
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
I also believe there were some politics involved in him NOT getting picked for the Olympics, that and Chigishev had slightly better lift but not by much.[/quote]
While there may have been some politics involved there, I think Chigishev was the better choice. While Misha has snatched 210 (8 years ago) and clean and jerked 250 (6 years ago), between the 2 weightlifting meets he’s done in the last year his bests are a 200 snatch and a 241 clean and jerk, whereas Chigishev lifted 210/250 in Beijing. [/quote]
I agree, however I feel that if he hadn’t had issues with the Russian weightlifting federation his numbers would have been better by now. It must be disappointing to know you have the potential to be a gold medalist yet you cant even make it into the Russian team for any sort of competition, not even the smaller ones. I guess that’s why he moved onto strongman, although it seems like he wants to start training specifically for weightlifting now and rumor has it he might lift for another country. I hope he does, he deserves to be competitive in the sport.[/quote]
Chigishev has been often injured of late…I think Misha might be doing better than him now. lets hope he gets to lift for Belarus [/quote]
If Chigishev’s healthy I think he’s the better lifter, but that’s a pretty big if these days it seems. And I think Belarus is out of the question for Koklyaev at this point, I can’t remember the exact reason, but I do know Misha competed at the Russian nationals recently (where he bombed out in the clean and jerk, and the winner lifted 204/248). Deserves got nothing to do with it, if Misha doesn’t lift in London it’ll be because there’s better Russian lifters they can send and at this (incredibly early) stage I’d say that’s likely.[/quote]
You missed the point I was trying to make.
He is obviously very strong and if Russia doesn’t want him and/or if he isn’t good enough to make it into the Russian team then he should be looking to lift for another country. With his numbers he deserves to be competitive in the sport, you don’t have many people in the world putting up his numbers who aren’t competing seriously.[/quote]
No, I don’t think I did miss your point.
He did try to lift for another country. I heard all kinds of rumours he was heading for Belarus and I’m pretty sure he even did a competition down there, but that got kiboshed for whatever reason, and he was lifting at Russian nationals this year.
His numbers, while certainly impressive, are not gold medal competitive right now. A 440 total (which is about what he’s sitting at right now) wouldn’t have earned him a medal in Beijing, and would only have netted him a bronze at the recent Russian nationals (where Chigishev was not lifting, I assume due to injury).
As I said, deserves got nothing to do with it. It’s my understanding that his troubles with the Russian weightlifting federation stemmed from the fact that he didn’t want to train as they requested and wanted to continue doing strongman etc. Now I can’t remember where I read this and I may be wrong, but if that’s the case, I don’t see how he “deserves” to compete on the world stage when he decides in his 30s that he wants to finally take this seriously, especially when there are other Russian lifters younger and better than him.
He’s incredibly strong and charismatic and I love watching his lifting videos, and I think had he been training specifically for o-lifting this whole time we would have had a few years of him flirting with world records. But he hasn’t been, and he’s paying the price for that now.
As a complete side note to the notion of lifters “deserving” shots at international competition, leading into Beijing, the Russians had a 96kg freestyle wrestler who had won the last three world championships and the '04 olympics. He lost to another Russian in their olympic trials/nationals/whatever and didn’t get to compete in Beijing. Just a semi-related thought.
I am curious how you think somebody like Pat at 19 would stack up with the Eastern block lifters?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I am curious how you think somebody like Pat at 19 would stack up with the Eastern block lifters?[/quote]
I’m just gonna go ahead and assume this was directed at me . . .
Given what Pat’s lifted in competition lately, he doesn’t. He has some very impressive training videos I’ll add on to the end of this post, but that hasn’t translated over to competition for him so far. If I remember correctly I think he’s recovering from a SLAP tear and that’s the given reason for why his recent competition lifts are so far behind his best youtube training lifts. In his youtube videos he’s snatched 207kg and cleaned 240kg, but at US nationals last month he only snatched 177 and clean and jerked 212. So he’s got a ways to go to catch up to Koklyaev at 200/240. But Pat is obviously tremendously strong, and if he fully recovers from that SLAP tear he could be the best superheavyweight the US has ever had.
A few more of his training videos:
I remember watching a strongman competition where he passed out while carrying the african stone. It fell back and look like it crushed his leg. He popped up alright but holy shit that was a close call. I also remember him and Savickas battling it out in the overhead press. While Misha is a beast, he used strict form and still couldn’t beat Savickas who wasn’t even using any leg drive. It’s unbelievable what some people are capable of.
more Misha bad-assness…
are you fucking kidding me, did he just HANG snatch 200kg??? did that just happen? lol
oh, here is a nearly 700lb front squat…fml
He truely is a beast and a damn funny character.
Also that gym is a thing of beauty. Nothing but flat floor, quality barbells, squat racks and tons of bumper plates.