i want to do my first cycle this year. It will look like this:
Week 1-12: Test-E / 300-450mg EW (dont know yet, think im gonna start at 300mg (300mg/ml)
Week 1-12: Proviron (mesterolon) / 50mg ED
Week 15-18: Tamoxifen / 30mg ED (15mg tabs)
Okay, no problems so far, but here we go.
I can’t keep HCG in the freezer, so I can’t store it 12 weeks, I thought a maximum of 4 weeks in the refrigerator. So that would be the max. Since I want to store it outside once its mixed. (in the dark, temprature will be like +/- 5 degrees. So like the fridge.
2 questions now.
Do you guys think storing the HCG outside once its mixed, will be a big problem? I mean its not great but it will be okay i think?
Secondly, what would be the best protocol then? I think:
week 10-13: 2500iu HCG EOD
Don’t need a discussion why i cant keep it in the freezer/fridge etc, it is just like that and I just can’t.
It maybe sounds totally retarded but hey, I could use the help alot.
What are your stats? I would run the test 10 weeks at 500mg/week. Drop the proviron for clomid to use in pct, as i do not believe nolvadex will be enough. That, and I really see no point in the proviron since you are doing a test e cycle only and should have no issues with libido. The HCG I would run weeks 5-10, at 500mg/week instead of the protocol you listed above.
Stop the HCG the same time you stop the test, wait two weeks, and begin PCT. As far as storing the HCG, Im honestly not sure, maybe someone else will be able to help with that. This is just my .2 though from what I have learned reading around for awhile. Good luck bro
My stats are:
1.80 meters
96 kilograms
16% bodyfat
The proviron has several functions:
It binds to the aromatase enzym, wich keeps the testosterone ‘away’ from that enzym, so, less estrogen.
It increases the potential of the testosterone, the proviron will attach to the SHBG and albumin, so there will be more ‘free testosterone’ in your body.
as i said, less estrogen so less water retention etc.
An AI like aromasin/airmidex seems to heavy for such a ‘small’ cycle in my opinion, i think im better of with the proviron, and there are a lot of people i know who said test+provi was so much better then test alone.
And when i had the option to store my HCG for 12 weeks i would just run it week 1-12 500iu x2 a week (so 1000iu EW), since 250iu EOD is the optimal dose (recent studies showed this). But the problem is i only can store it for 3 weeks or something, outside in the winter in a box. Because i live at the university here.
Btw sorry for my crappy english, im from belgium. And as I said, thanks for your opinion.
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
What are your stats? I would run the test 10 weeks at 500mg/week. Drop the proviron for clomid to use in pct, as i do not believe nolvadex will be enough. That, and I really see no point in the proviron since you are doing a test e cycle only and should have no issues with libido. The HCG I would run weeks 5-10, at 500mg/week instead of the protocol you listed above.
Stop the HCG the same time you stop the test, wait two weeks, and begin PCT. As far as storing the HCG, Im honestly not sure, maybe someone else will be able to help with that. This is just my .2 though from what I have learned reading around for awhile. Good luck bro[/quote]
Why would the Nolvadex not be enough? Many use it as the sole SERM for PCT.
[quote]Freek123 wrote:
Hi mate, thanks for your opinion.
My stats are:
1.80 meters
96 kilograms
16% bodyfat
The proviron has several functions:
It binds to the aromatase enzym, wich keeps the testosterone ‘away’ from that enzym, so, less estrogen.
It increases the potential of the testosterone, the proviron will attach to the SHBG and albumin, so there will be more ‘free testosterone’ in your body.
as i said, less estrogen so less water retention etc.
An AI like aromasin/airmidex seems to heavy for such a ‘small’ cycle in my opinion, i think im better of with the proviron, and there are a lot of people i know who said test+provi was so much better then test alone.
And when i had the option to store my HCG for 12 weeks i would just run it week 1-12 500iu x2 a week (so 1000iu EW), since 250iu EOD is the optimal dose (recent studies showed this). But the problem is i only can store it for 3 weeks or something, outside in the winter in a box. Because i live at the university here.
Btw sorry for my crappy english, im from belgium. And as I said, thanks for your opinion.[/quote]
I believe using Proviron as an anti estrogen is somewhat outdated as AIs are more effective. Many guys on TRT doses of Testosterone use an AI so there is no reason for you to think it is too much for your cycle, even if it is a mild one.
Best to run HCG during cycle. If not then once you stop the test shots pin it 2500iu e3d for 8 shots then start your PCT. I’d add Clomid at 100/50/50. It doubles LH output and increases FSH slightly as well. Run Nolva at 20 for 4 weeks. Use an AI all the way up to PCT. 0.5mg Anastrozole e3ds is a good start. Drop the proviron but you can use it in PCT for libido but only if you really need it.
300mg of test isn’t really worth it. Go for 500 and run for 12 weeks.
HCG is fragile once mixed, even dry it needs to be stored between 3 -15 degrees C. Up and down temps will make it less effective. Buy a mini fridge and keep it in there.
[quote]ESX wrote:
Best to run HCG during cycle. If not then once you stop the test shots pin it 2500iu e3d for 8 shots then start your PCT. I’d add Clomid at 100/50/50. It doubles LH output and increases FSH slightly as well. Run Nolva at 20 for 4 weeks. Use an AI all the way up to PCT. 0.5mg Anastrozole e3ds is a good start. Drop the proviron but you can use it in PCT for libido but only if you really need it.
300mg of test isn’t really worth it. Go for 500 and run for 12 weeks.
HCG is fragile once mixed, even dry it needs to be stored between 3 -15 degrees C. Up and down temps will make it less effective. Buy a mini fridge and keep it in there. [/quote]
this is horrible, horrible advice…
proviron is an androgen, and should not be used in PCT.
2,500 iu of HCG is way too high… 100-250 iu would be a better decision. and that’s if one really thinks it will speed up HPTA recovery…
there is no legit reason to use clomid with nolva… and there’s nothing clomid can’t do that nolva can. plus, nolva doesn’t cause decreased sensitivity to GnRH like clomid does…
[quote]Freek123 wrote:
Hi mate, thanks for your opinion.
My stats are:
1.80 meters
96 kilograms
16% bodyfat
The proviron has several functions:
It binds to the aromatase enzym, wich keeps the testosterone ‘away’ from that enzym, so, less estrogen.
It increases the potential of the testosterone, the proviron will attach to the SHBG and albumin, so there will be more ‘free testosterone’ in your body.
as i said, less estrogen so less water retention etc.
An AI like aromasin/airmidex seems to heavy for such a ‘small’ cycle in my opinion, i think im better of with the proviron, and there are a lot of people i know who said test+provi was so much better then test alone.
And when i had the option to store my HCG for 12 weeks i would just run it week 1-12 500iu x2 a week (so 1000iu EW), since 250iu EOD is the optimal dose (recent studies showed this). But the problem is i only can store it for 3 weeks or something, outside in the winter in a box. Because i live at the university here.
Btw sorry for my crappy english, im from belgium. And as I said, thanks for your opinion.[/quote]
I believe using Proviron as an anti estrogen is somewhat outdated as AIs are more effective. Many guys on TRT doses of Testosterone use an AI so there is no reason for you to think it is too much for your cycle, even if it is a mild one. [/quote]
i agree…
i used to think proviron was great in a cycle, as it helps decrease SHBG. but so does Aromasin, and most AI’s are much better at controlling estrogen, and cheaper, too…
Use sticky velcro strips to secure the HCG vial in a hidden part of the fridge (ie behind the veggie drawer, by the blower, etc). Make sure the fridge setting (if there is one) for condensation is turned all the way down (no condensation)