Think I Got My Cycle Sorted?

Pharma
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Thanks for the responses to my other thread.
I’m 25 with 7 years training, (5 yeasr regular) been msotly strength training n a lil bit power.
I’m thinking of branching towards bodybuilding. My nutrition is good.
I’ve donce a cycle of dinabol before.

400mg test (enth/cyp) weeks 1-12
50mg Anavar weeks 1-4 (minimizing bloating is a priority)
0.25 mg letrozole weeks 1-12 (minimising bloating is a priority)
1 mg finastride weeks 1-12 (I’m starting to bald ;( )
1000IU HCG weeks 4-11 (I found lots of conflicting info here, I can get away with taking this dose once a week, yes? Also do ir eally have to store it in a fridge?)

PCT: Nolva
Week 13+
Day 1 - 100mg
Following 10 days - 60mg
Following 10 days - 40mg

Is that enough for pct, i don’t really want to have to keep injecting HCG during PCT…

Thanks.

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You would do 250iu of HCG twice a week while on cycle. Large doses 1000iu+ have been shown to desensitize Leydig cells. You must keep it in the fridge, and you don’t run it during PCT because it is suppressive and would be counter effective.

Also PCT starts week 15 if your last injection is week 12.

The rest looks good, although I think 50mg of Anavar is somewhat of a low dose esp for only 4 weeks. If you can deal with the sides I think dbol is much better bang for your buck. If you have an AI the bloat shouldn’t be an issue.

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PCT should be 40/40/20/20

not 100 for a day, then 60/40

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The only point in “front-loading” your nolvadex is the get levels up quick and avoid the senseless long run at a high dose. You would only consider a one-day blast if you were coming off a quick cycle like Dbol or Test without an ester. Otherwise just stick to the standard recs. 40mg/day is good for a few weeks IF you aren’t running a low-dose AI during your PCT like Aromasin. 40mg/day offers no more test stimulation than 20mg does, but does offer more estrogen control i.e. blocking.
I’d run it longer than 21 days too, I’d follow as BigS said and maybe even longer.

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Thanks for the replies.

I heard my sources dianabol is pretty crappy nowadays, so I’ll probably stick with the anavar to kickstart. I’m also curious in it’s supposed fat burning capacity. I’ll up to 100 mg a day :smiley:

“PCT should be 40/40/20/20” wait, does that mean i take 40mg twice aday for 10 days, then 20 twice a day for next 10 days?

“Also PCT starts week 15 if your last injection is week 12” so it’s best to have 3 weeks between the hcg and pct huh? Ill have to stop taking it week 10 then, can’t do 0 for a few weeks between pct and the cycle. is starting it at week 4 still okay though?

how come som,e guys do some really complicated cycle stacks btw? isnt test liek the best original and best, why not just take loads more test instead?

Okay here is the revised cycle.

500mg test (enth/cyp) weeks 1-12
100mg Anavar weeks 1-4 (kickstart)
0.25 mg letrozole weeks 1-12 (minimising bloating is a priority)
1 mg finastride weeks 1-12 (I’m starting to bald ;( )
350IU HCG every 3.5 days weeks 4-10

PCT: Nolva
Week 13+
day 1-10 - 40mg twice a day?
Following 10 days - 20mg twice a day?

Am I sorted? I’ll go read about needles and stuff now…
I like don’t know what types to use for hcg an test, also injecting it.

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Thanks for the replies.

I heard my sources dianabol is pretty crappy nowadays, so I’ll probably stick with the anavar to kickstart. I’m also curious in it’s supposed fat burning capacity. I’ll up to 100 mg a day :smiley:

“PCT should be 40/40/20/20” wait, does that mean i take 40mg twice aday for 10 days, then 20 twice a day for next 10 days?

“Also PCT starts week 15 if your last injection is week 12” so it’s best to have 3 weeks between the hcg and pct huh? Ill have to stop taking it week 10 then, can’t do 0 for a few weeks between pct and the cycle. is starting it at week 4 still okay though?

how come som,e guys do some really complicated cycle stacks btw? isnt test liek the best original and best, why not just take loads more test instead?

Okay here is the revised cycle.

500mg test (enth/cyp) weeks 1-12
100mg Anavar weeks 1-4 (kickstart)
0.25 mg letrozole weeks 1-12 (minimising bloating is a priority)
1 mg finastride weeks 1-12 (I’m starting to bald ;( )
350IU HCG every 3.5 days weeks 4-10

PCT: Nolva
Week 13+
day 1-10 - 40mg twice a day?
Following 10 days - 20mg twice a day?

Am I sorted? I’ll go read about needles and stuff now…
I like don’t know what types to use for hcg an test, also injecting it.

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[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
The only point in “front-loading” your nolvadex is the get levels up quick and avoid the senseless long run at a high dose. You would only consider a one-day blast if you were coming off a quick cycle like Dbol or Test without an ester. Otherwise just stick to the standard recs. 40mg/day is good for a few weeks IF you aren’t running a low-dose AI during your PCT like Aromasin. 40mg/day offers no more test stimulation than 20mg does, but does offer more estrogen control i.e. blocking.
I’d run it longer than 21 days too, I’d follow as BigS said and maybe even longer.[/quote]

agree

I recommend something like 60mg for a few days. Then 40 for a few more days. Then 3 weeks of 20mg/d.

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40/40/20/20 means 40 mg every day for 2 weeks, followed by 20 mg every day for 2 weeks

And you wait 2 weeks, not 3. Inject test week 12, 13 and 14 off, start PCT 15. You run HCG through week 14, then stop when you start PCT. You wait 2 weeks on cyp/enan because they are longer estered and will still be active in your system for 2 weeks.

so

1-4 100mg Anavar
1-12 500mg Test
4-14 250iu HCG 2x/week
15-18 PCT 40/40/20/20

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Ok, got it. Thanks
Hopefully my last need for enquiries now, sorry for being an information leech.

  1. If dianabol bloats me a load, should I expect most of the testosterones to do this doubly so? (I drink enough water that I piss clear liquid, and I eat realatively healthily… is just how dianabol effected me in the past)

  2. Can I substitute Testosterone Heptylate or Propionate into this plan without changing anything other than injection frequency?

  3. My supply is a lot less diverse than he has led me to believe (I can order pretty much anything my ass!) He doesn’t even know what an AI is and can’t get any letrozole, or finastride… or anavar.
    I’m going to kickstart with 4 weeks of winny. even though my wrist has only just recovered from a badly timed hook…

  4. This guy has been dealing for years… and taking it for years, yet he says hcg is only for pct… what the hell? i didn’t tell him the dosage of test I had planend yet, maybe that’s why. But if he’s so wrong, how come everybody else in my gym isnt fucked up? I don’t get it. (almost all of them are on teh steroids.)

  5. If I frontload my first week, do I just take double the amount for both injections.

Cheers!

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[quote]svelte_mace wrote:
Ok, got it. Thanks
Hopefully my last need for enquiries now, sorry for being an information leech.

  1. If dianabol bloats me a load, should I expect most of the testosterones to do this doubly so? (I drink enough water that I piss clear liquid, and I eat realatively healthily… is just how dianabol effected me in the past)

  2. Can I substitute Testosterone Heptylate or Propionate into this plan without changing anything other than injection frequency?

  3. My supply is a lot less diverse than he has led me to believe (I can order pretty much anything my ass!) He doesn’t even know what an AI is and can’t get any letrozole, or finastride… or anavar.
    I’m going to kickstart with 4 weeks of winny. even though my wrist has only just recovered from a badly timed hook…

  4. This guy has been dealing for years… and taking it for years, yet he says hcg is only for pct… what the hell? i didn’t tell him the dosage of test I had planend yet, maybe that’s why. But if he’s so wrong, how come everybody else in my gym isnt fucked up? I don’t get it. (almost all of them are on teh steroids.)

  5. If I frontload my first week, do I just take double the amount for both injections.

Cheers![/quote]

  1. AI should take care of the bloat.

  2. I never even heard of Test Heptylate, I googled it and couldn’t readily find the half life. But regardless you need to use the same ester throughout your cycle. Don’t go switching from Cyp to Prop right in the middle or anything like that, or you’re going to get wildly fluctuating blood levels.

  3. If you can’t get any legit Letro, look into research chemicals. I think there’s a thread a little further down the page about them.

  4. He’s wrong. And it’s not going to ‘fuck you up’ to use HCG for PCT, but its FAR from optimal for HPTA recovery and you will not keep near as much of your gains that way. Use HCG throughout with SERM PCT and you can expect to keep most if not all your gains.

  5. Yes

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Thanks for all the help. I will be starting my cycle soon.
I think I will not worry about AI after all. I was assuming that test bloat is worse than dianabol. i ahve been told dianabol is usually worse. So I will relax.

I will almost definitely have to take nolva for the whole cycle though, becasue I am gyno prone (just low dosage dianabol started getting my nipples itchy. I will buy some milk thistle too for my poor liver. 18 weeks nolva :frowning:

Do I have to keep hcg in a fridge before I mix it?

Thanks, I will post a training log or before/after pics or something if there’s an appropriate place on the forum.