Hi everyone, I was thinking about following a 1 month cycle with quite strong topical DHT, I would like to prevent HPTA suppression problems and testicular atrophy because about 6 months ago I had followed a cycle always with topical DHT for 7-8 weeks and I had noticed a slight atrophy and suppression but I did not follow any PCT. I have not taken anything anymore until today.
So now I bought HCG and was thinking of running it during the DHT cycle to prevent any problems and even, if possible, to reverse the slight testicular atrophy caused 6 months ago.
I have read some dosages like 250 iu twice a week.
The cycle with DHT is only 1 month long, should I run HCG from the first week to the last of the month?
Thank you very much, I need some expert advice.
I’m no expert but this “cycle” is a terrible idea. I don’t know where you got the idea thinking running andractim will help your body “restore homeostasis” (as taken from your previous post). HCG mimicks Leutinizing hormone, prolonged use of HCG will also cause suppression of the HTPA. You are cycling an anabolic steroid, not even a good one, without having baselines of your testosterone levels etc. You don’t even know if you have hypogonadism, I have to be really harsh here because it seems you didn’t get it the last time you posted. DHT CYCLES WON’T DO JACK SHIT FOR YOU LONG TERM HEALTH AND WELLBEING, YOU WILL FEEL EVEN SHITTIER WHEN YOUR COME OFF BECAUSE YOU are shutting down your HPTA for god knows what reason. Firstly, DHT isn’t going to increase your muscle mass, it is rapidly broken down in muscle tissue by the 3 hydroxysteriod dehydrogenase enzyme, it has androgenic characteristics and promotes the growth of body hair, penile growth for boys going through puberty etc. Modified versions of dihydrotestosterone (too many to count) have been synthesised that have anabolic activity. If you have hypogonadism look for TRT. The whole DHT cycling thing is one of the stupidest idea’s I’ve ever heard. What you are doing is more harmful than it is beneficial. Any expert who recommends you do this is an idiot.
If you truly think you have an endocrine problem get the required tests to determine whether or not you have an issue with testosterone production or other hormones, this can be addressed with usually LIFELONG HRT, not cycles. Good luck
Hi, I did the hormonal blood tests and went to two endocrinologists but no one said I have hypogonadism although I suspect instead of yes. The whole idea would be to alternate cycles with a DHT blocker and cycles with topical DHT. The cycles to avoid too many problems would last only 1 month.
This should help to develop my secondary and sexual characteristics since I am not satisfied.
I know, I may look like a stupid young man who wants to harm himself, but instead I would like to do everything by preventing risks and problems as little as possible.
That’s why I’m thinking about HCG during DHT and why I’m asking here on the forum because you surely know more than me.
Thanks
How old are you?
he’s 19 I believe
What, using a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor will block the effects of DHT, (and look up post finasteride symdrome) therefore eliminating the “extra secondary sexual characteristics” caused by DHT. If you have hypogonadism… why would you cycle… Just get the root cause of your hypogonadism fixed or hop on TRT if that’s not a possibility. The entire idea of running cycles of topical DHT is (no offence) one of the worst ideas ever. What were your free and total testosterone levels on the bloods
i’m 18 y.o
My T free was 37.8 pg/ml
T Total was 5.4 ng/ml
LH was 4.5
FSH was 1.9
These tests were (in May) 4-5 months after the DHT cycle lasted 7 weeks with no PCT.
I would like to alternate 1 month with dht blocker and one month on topical DHT (it is not andractim but it is stronger) because 1 month on DHT blocker, it is true that it slightly atrophy the sexual characters, but as a direct effect should up-regulate the AR of those tissues, the next month on DHT because applied on tissues with up-regulated AR should down-regulate them and give a stronger signal of growth (as if you recreated a second sexual puberty). I would perform the month on DHT with HCG to prevent testicular problems and atrophy due to LH/FSH suppression caused by DHT.
Thanks
The DHT is a horrible, horrible idea. HCG is suppressive to the HTPA, you are not listening to my advice. DHT, (and to make it even worse you are using a gel…) Will not help you out, you may feel better while on it but afterwards the crash, even after one month will be inevitable. Your total T is normal but your free testosterone is low, do you have symptoms of androgen deficiency, because a free testosterone level of 37pg/ml hints you have hypogonadism. Either you have androgen deficiency or you fucked up your endocrine system by running DHT and not running PCT. I would start a topic on the TRT forum (and explain your situation and your bloods) best of luck. TRT (lifelong) will do far more than cycles of topical DHT. Get possible root causes checked tho like a thyroid Pannell, adrenal function, iron studies etc.
If you feel you are underdeveloped for your age and have androgen deficiency I would consult a doctor in your country who is renowned for being good with TRT, not just any other endocrinologist. Do your research on various doctors to get the best standard of care possible. You may have to go private, which means paying out of pocket, however the pay is usually worth it as you get the treatment you need straight away. In some countries, like where I live, getting adequate care may be next to impossible therefore depending on what type of person you are you may A: give up B: keep looking even when there’s no hope because you do things by the book or C: break the law, go black market because fuck the system.
Good luck, I hope you feel better soon
If you are interested I also have thyroid and prolactin tests and DHT tests always done together with T tests.
DHT 538 pg/ml
Prolactin 21.5 ng/mL
TSH 5.03 mUI/L
FT4 11.5 pmol/L
p-ACTH 15 pg/ml
s-CORTISOL 129 ng/ml
s-Parathyroid hormone (intact PTH) 33 pg/ml
The fact is I think I’m deficient in DHT. Almost no beard, no hairs on chest or abdomen but only on pubis and legs (which are many), not very low voice, I’ve never had acne, I’m thin and high 1.77, the balls are small, the only good thing is libido.
Talking to some experts they told me that DHT could help me develop sexual characteristics, in fact in micro-penis subjects it works, why do you think it’s such a bad idea?
Thanks.
Do you have a micro penis? Your TSH is elevated and so is your prolactin. Get a full thyroid pannel done because you very well may have hypothyroidism. High prolactin can be caused by a lot of things, most notably a prolactinoma, certain medications, stress etc. DHT isnt low, sure it could be higher but it’s not raising any red flags for me. Getting your thyroid under control and your prolactin levels should raise your testosterone levels. Your ft4 is low too, further suggesting hypothyroidism
Using DHT cycles is a bad idea because you are shutting yourself down (and your cause of hypogonadism may even be reversible) even one month will shut you down, HCG doesn’t prevent shutdown… It just prevents testicular atrophy, it will still aid in sending a negative feedback loop to the anterior pituitary because your body picks it up as LH therefore your natural LH production will go to shite. Furthermore, topical DHT… For people with hypothyroidism absorption of gels are terrible, for many people absorption of gels isn’t good. If you’re dead set on this horrible idea use injectable androstanolone (DHT) and yes… This is actually a thing, its hard to acquire though. DHT will make you feel good however testosterone is needed for various mechanisms, replacing testosterone with DHT is stupid. If I had hypogonadism (which I do) would I take Anavar or deca by itself to treat my androgen deficiency? Of course not as it isn’t testosterone and doesn’t fulfill the purpose of testosterone replacement with regards to various mechanisms.
If you want to go down the TRT route sure, start a thread on the TRT section and the community (and I) will help you out. However starting TRT with hypothyroidism and/ or elevated prolactin is like (excuse my crudeness) trying to impregnate a women while you are shooting blanks… It won’t work, I don’t recommend jumping on the TRT bus at your age unless the cause of your hypogonadism cannot be fixed. You should explore a few alternate avenues, if that isn’t possible then TRT may be your future.
No, fortunately I don’t have it.
Then I will do a full thyroid test. What are the causes of hypothyroidism in your opinion and what are the symptoms? If it may be of help I say that my sleep-wake cycle has not been good for 2-3 years and also from 3-4 months I take mk-677 at 10 mg. On the other hand, can high prolactin be related to possible hypothyroidism?
Thank you very much for listening and helping me.