Hi all,
Just about to finish my first cycle (15 weeks on 1mL of Sustanon 250 twice a week) and I’m wanting to do a few weeks of HGC before I start my PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20)
Ive heard that using the HGC then Nolva is very effective in restarting natural test production.
Can someone give me some advice on when to start the HCG? (day after my last shot of Sust 250 or wait a few days?)
Also what dosage would you recommend? Ive seen a very varied response to this question online- Ive seen some people say 500iu a day, some say 1500iu a week and one guy even said 5000iu a day!
Any other tips to kickstart natural test production asap is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Ok the dosage of 500 iu’s a week is enough to keep the boys working during a cycle.
As far as I know there is a calculation for figuring out how much you need to “wake them up.” It depends on how long you have been on and how high a dose of which compounds. That part about depending on how high a dose and which compounds makes me question if the calculation is accurate. Shutdown is shutdown is shutdown. Now the length of time on cycle should affect dosage. However I have never seen a formula to follow when calculating the wake up dose after a cycle.
I am going to assume you are going to use the HCG only after pinning the test and stop using the HCG before you start PCT. This is the old school method and that is roughly what it looked like. Now since you are using a synthetic means to tell your balls to work then having synthetic testosterone enanthate in your system doesn’t matter. Once you stop pinning test, let’s say your last shot on week 15 was Wednesday. You need to wait at least the two weeks I usually count week 15 as on cycle then count week 16-17 as no shots no PCT then Sunday of week 18 as the start of PCT. That means 17 days of waiting after the last shot of test. Since your Sustanon has test deconate or undeconate in it (14 to 16 day half life) you could even wait until week 19 to start PCT, infact if you do not wait this extra week then I would make your PCT and extra week long at 20 mgs a day of Nolvadex. You decide.
Ok one kit of HCG is 5000 iu’s. Since your doing the old school method I would do half of the kit on Sunday of week 16. That leaves 2500ius. The Wednesday of week 16 you could do 1000 to 1500 iu’s. The remainder you divide equally for Sunday and Wednesday of week 17.
If you want to wait until week 19 to start PCT (three week wait after last shot) then I would do the 2500iu’s on Sunday week 16. You could then do 500 iu’s the Wednesday 16, sunday17, Wednesday 17, Sunday 18, and Wednesday 18.
The whole thought process for this old school method is a big blast or blasts to kick the boys on. They probably didn’t do any Nolvadex or clomid after. With the concept I laid out you get a big blast then week(s) at a dose that is higher than the minimum to keep them on during cycle.
I have done similar layouts but I started mine the last month of the cycle so I had 6 to 7weeks and used two kits.
If anyone chimes in with any science or knowledge of how to calculate for time on cycle then they know more than me. I don’t think I need to tell you to listen to the guy that knows more than me.
Just so you know the HCG will make your balls aromatize testosterone into estrogen no matter how much AI you take. You can only deal with this estrogen with a SERM like Nolvadex or Clomid. I would think that as long as you didn’t have any issues with estrogen on cycle then 10mgs of Nolvadex a day or 25mgs of Clomid should be enough to keep the gyno away during the HCG therapy.
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Thanks a lot.
I think I will do the 2500iu’s on Sunday week 16,
500iu’s the Wednesday 16, Sunday 17 etc
How long after my last shot on Wednesday 18 would you start the nolva? Sunday 19?
Thanks again.
Yes Sunday week 19 to start Nolvadex PCT. Or at least that’s my opinion. That long ester chain of test deconate in the Sustanon is the only reason to wait that long for PCT. Just making sure I state that for anyone else who might think waiting that long is common for other esters.