Thib have a horrible problem with cortisol. currently floating around 8% bf but its nearly 11& on the stomach so as you can imagine theres no six pack. wondering whats your advice against lowering cortisol levels? i have heard tha phos serine is meant to be polular but still not sure what to do! cheers
How is your vitamin C intake? Vitamin C helps regulate cortisol levels.
I believe his recommendation is 400-800mg? (not sure what unit it’s measured in) after training and before bed.
Like posted above, Vit C will help as will glycine.
How did you measure your bodyfat? Can you see any of your abs?
How much sleep are you getting a night? Solid sleep?
How are your stress levels in general?
800mg PS daily should do the trick
ye thats the big problem. about to sit exams in june and seem to under stress the whole time. got my bf done again and shot to 14% on the stomach! higher over my knee aswell!
CT,
Do you have a general recommendation for an initial dosage of cortisol lowering supplements, such as glycine and PS? I’ve read your comments for PS dosages (800 mg split up between post workout and pre-bed, but could be titrated up to 1600 mg per day), but I’m curious about your recommended dosage of glycine per day?
Would a single dose of 10 grams of glycine post workout be sufficient? Or would you recommend a smaller dose, such as 5 grams per meal (assuming 5 feedings outside of peri-workout nutrition), in addition to 10 grams post workout and 10 grams pre-bed?
Is there a maximum dosage of glycine per day one shouldn’t exceed?
How could one know if the dosages are effective, other than reduced belly fat? Would be it be something such as “being more relaxed” in the evening and sleeping better?
I sincerely apologize if this has been asked previously. Thank you in advance for any feedback.
[quote]synergy93 wrote:
Would a single dose of 10 grams of glycine post workout be sufficient? Or would you recommend a smaller dose, such as 5 grams per meal (assuming 5 feedings outside of peri-workout nutrition), in addition to 10 grams post workout and 10 grams pre-bed?[/quote]
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I HATE the term ‘‘feedings’’ with an vengeance… a lot of people throw around that term to look scientific. To me it just sounds like a thing you’d give farm animals.
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Glycine shouldn’t be taken with every meal. Only in the evening and post-workout. However if the workout is very early, I don’t recommend using glycine post-workout.
Start with 5g post-workout + 5g with the main evening meal + 5g before bed.
You can gradually work your way up to a maximum of 20g per intake if your body tolerates it. You’ll easily know if it tolerates it (see answer to other question).
[quote]synergy93 wrote:
Is there a maximum dosage of glycine per day one shouldn’t exceed?[/quote]
It depends on your system. You gradually work your way up until you find your tolerance level and then back off slightly. How do you know what your tolerance level is? You’ll have a hard time making it to the bathroom in time if you catch my drift.
But regardless of tolerance, I wouldn’t go higher than 20g per intake.
[quote]synergy93 wrote:
How could one know if the dosages are effective, other than reduced belly fat? Would be it be something such as “being more relaxed” in the evening and sleeping better?
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You should feel more relaxed, almost tired (which is why you don’t take it after a morning workout). While this may help you fall asleep, if you have sleep problems it won’t cure them.
[quote]oisin browne wrote:
ye thats the big problem. about to sit exams in june and seem to under stress the whole time. got my bf done again and shot to 14% on the stomach! higher over my knee aswell![/quote]
Yep, stress. And the increase on the knee indicate bad sleeping patterns.
Thank you CT for your feedback. It’s very helpful and I’ll use your recommendations.
Sorry about the “feedings” comment…not trying to sound scientific…maybe I actually am part farm animal? 
Thanks again
ye i know, sleeping has gone to the dogs, think ill have to put up with it for now! trying holy basil atm and seems to be good for relaxing!
how much vitamin c is suggested per day to reduce stress? anyone know? and at what times? maybe Im making this too complicated?
[quote]lllDUTCHlll wrote:
how much vitamin c is suggested per day to reduce stress? anyone know? and at what times? maybe Im making this too complicated?[/quote]
Not a big fan of high doses of vitamin C. At high doses it has been shown to be a PRO-oxydant instead of an anti-oxydant, this is obviously a bad thing.
alright Coach thanks for the input! as always…it is appreciated…Gotta go watch the hockey game…GO FLYERS!!!
Hey Coach I did have one more question…I have found a product with the following ingredients…
1 serving is:(2 caps)
PhosphatidylSerine 500mg
Green Tea Extract 500mg
Dindolemethane 250mg
Calcium d-Glucarate 200mg
Does this seem beneficial for cortisol issues? It is marketed for cortisol reduction. The reason I ask is because I am having a really tough time finding pure Phosphatidylserine. I know you say work up to 800mg post workout and before bed…so I guess one could take 3 caps…and it would come out to 750mg. any thoughts?
THANKS COACH
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]lllDUTCHlll wrote:
how much vitamin c is suggested per day to reduce stress? anyone know? and at what times? maybe Im making this too complicated?[/quote]
Not a big fan of high doses of vitamin C. At high doses it has been shown to be a PRO-oxydant instead of an anti-oxydant, this is obviously a bad thing.[/quote]
Do you have a reference for this or any idea where the study was that you read?
[quote]jk270 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]lllDUTCHlll wrote:
how much vitamin c is suggested per day to reduce stress? anyone know? and at what times? maybe Im making this too complicated?[/quote]
Not a big fan of high doses of vitamin C. At high doses it has been shown to be a PRO-oxydant instead of an anti-oxydant, this is obviously a bad thing.[/quote]
Do you have a reference for this or any idea where the study was that you read? [/quote]
Do you need a study to know that you need to drink to stay alive? What is this trend to always ask for studies to believe anything. What happened to trust? Especially since this topic has been covered before.
Anyway, if you insist, go read:
Halliwell, B. (1996) Vitamin C: antioxidant or pro-oxidant in vivo?. Free Rad. Res. 25,439-454
Buettner, G. R., Jurkiewicz, B. A. (1996) Catalytic metals, ascorbate and free radicals: combinations to avoid. Radiat. Res. 145,532-541
To make things simple vitamin C has pro-oxydant properties when it intereacts with iron and copper.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]jk270 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]lllDUTCHlll wrote:
how much vitamin c is suggested per day to reduce stress? anyone know? and at what times? maybe Im making this too complicated?[/quote]
Not a big fan of high doses of vitamin C. At high doses it has been shown to be a PRO-oxydant instead of an anti-oxydant, this is obviously a bad thing.[/quote]
Do you have a reference for this or any idea where the study was that you read? [/quote]
Do you need a study to know that you need to drink to stay alive? What is this trend to always ask for studies to believe anything. What happened to trust? Especially since this topic has been covered before.
Anyway, if you insist, go read:
Halliwell, B. (1996) Vitamin C: antioxidant or pro-oxidant in vivo?. Free Rad. Res. 25,439-454
Buettner, G. R., Jurkiewicz, B. A. (1996) Catalytic metals, ascorbate and free radicals: combinations to avoid. Radiat. Res. 145,532-541
To make things simple vitamin C has pro-oxydant properties when it intereacts with iron and copper.
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Thank you. To be honest I had just read another study on the subject but the conclusions were pretty wild, just wanted to see if it was the same study. You’re right though, should’ve done my own research instead of wasting your time, sorry.
back to the cortisol. tryed the 6-12-25 lact acid trainging and actuli went up 2% bf. understand its because i was putting extra stress on myself! atm im doing a version of the 8x8 but instead of short rests im trying for heavier weight with longer rest! trying to get lean and wonder is this the wrong way to go about it?
[quote]oisin browne wrote:
back to the cortisol. tryed the 6-12-25 lact acid trainging and actuli went up 2% bf. understand its because i was putting extra stress on myself! atm im doing a version of the 8x8 but instead of short rests im trying for heavier weight with longer rest! trying to get lean and wonder is this the wrong way to go about it?[/quote]
What are your current goals? From the sounds of it you are looking for fat loss?
If thats the case you may want to make sure your cortisol levels are brought under control before worrying about getting lean. An INTENSIVE training regime may be doing more harm than good right now. Once your cortisol issue is sorted it will be easier to achieve your training goals without adding to an existing problem.