If you really wanted to get into it, you could ask whether that 60-80k is adjusted for cost of living so we can properly understanding whether the wages in his area are inflated than the average … gotta compare apples to apples
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so you have said that the ‘average’ woman is pricing herself out of the market, because she’s not wiling to date average guys. her standards are too high. right? This was a big part of our earlier conversation.
now you’re saying that the women who are above average are ALSO pricing themselves out of the market.
So what are you even saying at this point? That women just aren’t on the market? Women don’t date anymore, or have relationships?
A more simple explanation is that you are overvaluing the men you are observing.
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Sure, they exist. I’m sure there are men that would love for a woman to make enough money to support them too.
Sure, but I’m talking about reality where the average guy or girl for that matter does not have the financial means to keep a woman at home simply because they look good.
Presuming they’re swapping their wives out specifically because they want a younger hotter woman, I have no idea. How many rich successful guys remain loyal to their SOs?
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I believe the standards for women, on the entire spectrum, has gone up. Yes. How often does an average woman price herself out? I wouldn’t say often, but It does happen more now than before.
Compared to when?
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Well, you don’t know me in real life, but I would be one of those people. I had the financial means to support my ex wife 100%. She didn’t work. The main reason we divorced was specifically because she didn’t have outside interests/pursuits. I fucking hated that. I encouraged her at every step to invest her time and efforts into something she could be passionate about. Didn’t have to be something that would result in income. It could even be a large expense. I just wanted her to fucking DO SOMETHING. She didn’t. And she lost her meal ticket.
Yes, the average guy does care because the economic system we are currently in makes them care.
So, don’t we then kind of come full circle? de-emphasizing looks for women here in the states while championing the “career driven female” is gonna do what in the end, exactly what we are seeing. I think it only gets worse from here, not better.
What do I mean by that? I don’t see it where women start taking the financial mantle, and all of a sudden things become better. Or the dynamics shift and men have a less financial burden, more free time, and all else is gravy.
None of that happens, especially in the U.S where those at the top of the podium do not give a shit about those in the middle. We don’t even have reasonable maternity leave in this country. You think that’s gonna change any time soon?
The system is bunk. It will damage both genders.
Getting a hobby and working 30,40+ hours a week are two different things. Was she just sitting around getting fat and making you miserable? Then yes I can understand that. Totally. She needed to put her energy somewhere and she wasn’t.
Now if she was cleaning your entire house everyday and making you food while also taking a daily jog I don’t see any man in the world being upset with that.
The economic systems we’ve always had.
Again, I don’t know who you think is championing the “career driven female” or the de-emphasizing of looks. If anything, I think looks are more emphasized in today’s world because of things like social media.
The bottom line for me is, I believe in freedom, full stop. If women want to be CEOs, great. If women want to be stay-at-home moms, great. If they want to marry young, great. If they want to be little gold diggers, great. If they want to be the breadwinner, great.
I don’t see nor do I think it is a reasonable belief that women doing better in terms of earnings/employment will have some dire consequences for society.
Better for who? Society? Women? Men?
Again, I think the outcome of women shouldering the financial burden for men will be highly individual. Some men won’t be able to handle that. Some men will gladly do the dishes, run the errands, and play video games.
None of what happens? Plenty of women are already the primary earners here.
That’s your opinion. It seems fine to me.
Probably, yes. I think some version of M4A, UBI, and a plethora of clean energy laws will happen in my lifetime and probably the next 10-20 years.
It seems to have worked fine for every other person in this thread.
I was just at a wedding for a guy that met his wife online last spring. Another friend got married the month before and met his wife at a bar through a mutual friend.
I don’t see how.
You don’t think there are guys that would be envious/jealous of that freedom? I would do that shit in a heartbeat. I work to provide for my family, but I’m not attached to these spreadsheets.
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Cheap humor is pretty effective in establishing a common ground IMO.
Freedom from coercion, or freedom from consequences? You have to be specific in 2019.
dude, I’d hire a maid if I wanted that. Why would I want a wife that does a job that I can hire someone to do for 10 bucks an hour? We have very, very different expectations of a wife, lol. I don’t want a wife imported straight from the 1800’s. I want someone who challenges me intellectually, who I can enjoy both intellectual and physical pursuits with. My best relationships have been with women who work in difficult fields that I’m not particularly familiar with, because I can learn from them and have my mind stimulated in conversation just by talking about our day to day lives. It keeps things interesting.
she was like 115 lbs, lol. so no, not getting fat. but the latter part is essentially correct. I felt like finding better things to do with her time, specifically outside of the walls of our house, would have served her well, and in turn our relationship. I did not believe cooking and cleaning were the solution. She did cook for us, not the best about cleaning, but I never minded that. Cleaning isn’t a big thing for me, it’s a stress reliever for me at times.
EDIT: remember that time Obama said something like that? That washing dishes, or doing laundry, or something like that relieved stress for him? And then Michelle called BS on it?
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This is literally my marriage…
TBF, dude’s never stressed so there’s no need for him to wash dishes or do laundry … he was just telling a very obscure joke that went over everyone’s heads
… or he was being a pandering lying douche and his wife called him on it - you be the judge.
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I have to say that politics completely aside, I loved having the Obama’s marriage in the white house. Again with the concept that witnessing happy is happy-making.
Mutually exclusive. Independent women wish for independence. They may enjoy the interdependence we discussed upthread, but they probably prefer not to be, you know, dependent. Many independent women tolerate it so that they can be home with children, but those are the powerhouses running the PTA, organizing community events, picking everyone else’s sick kids up from school, reading to the first graders who are behind, and so on and so forth.
These men don’t mind the influence this sex kitten will have on his children? Or are they her children, too?
Attractiveness is an absolute asset in the corporate world, as in nearly every other arena of life. Looks have not been deemphasized in America. What evidence do you have for this claim? We’ve had two female CEO’s posted in this thread and both were very attractive. I mean, how many female CEO’s are there?
For the record, online marriages are widespread where I am, of people of all ages.
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Okay, I googled images of “female ceos fortune 500” and then clicked “most powerful” when offered the option, since what the hell.
INTERESTING!
@pfury I don’t remember what thread we were talking about this in (somewhere in PWI), but at about 2 hours Kennedy talks about the whole boy scouts becoming the scouts. He sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyway, thought I’d share.
We’ve been through this. I don’t know how you can say it is the same economy when you have more people in the workforce, now with quotas and agendas, that you have to compete with.
If you want to be an ‘influencer’ yes. But overall I don’t see an uptick of women at the gym. I see an uptick in women working out properly, more than before, and the ones that do go to the gym look better, that I can agree with.
But I’m open to believe that this younger generation may very well be more focused on fitness.
We’re in the beginning, let it play out and we will see.
all of it.
I think when this happens, if the country turns more into a matriarchy, women will hate it. And we’ll go into that debate of “where are all the good men?”
Have you ever been in a house where this was the case? Usually it isn’t very good.
Wait, you think we have reasonable maternity leave here in this country? Really? Wow, so I’m a total feminist on this issue compared to you huh.
Very peculiar indeed.
Absolutely, many gym bros would be. But how many of those gym bros have that opportunity? Not many, because most women do not accept it.
$10 bucks an hour??? Have you ever hired a maid? Or maybe because, oh, you fucking Texans always complaining about immigration and yet you can hire a maid for $10 an hour!! Bastards!!
Funny, everything you describe there is what I usually end up with and used to be attracted to until I experienced the other side lol.
I have a friend like you, he is a neat freak, so much so that women find it hard to live with him. Rare to find a man that enjoys cleaning dishes and doing laundry.
You come off as the modern females’ wet dream.
-makes money
-works out hard and stays fit
-likes to clean the house, do dishes, laundry
-enjoys deep conversation and being intellectually stimulated by a woman
-doesn’t expect traditional values out of his partner
Fuck dude? what else? How come you aren’t married?