Every philosophy course I’ve taken said epic-teet-us, but take that with a grain of salt. Unless someone could ask him how he said it, we are all just guessing
This is the only way I’ve ever heard it pronounced. However, if you pronounced it the other way, aside from an immature snicker I’d let go, I’d know who you were talking about
There are experts in ancient Greek that I’m sure can speak on the subject .. from what I’ve read about him, it’s not his birth name but a reference to him having been a slave .. now that I’m looking for a reference I can’t find one so take that with a grain of salt
It’s not Epic-Tits
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Might be … little known fact about him is he had a brother named Biggus Dickus
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Glad I wasn’t the only one…
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Let me start by saying, thank you for your well thought out posts. I truly enjoy them.
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Thank you very much.
Perhaps some men do. However, I have known men who make high incomes who chose to be with women who are zero-earning or low-earning with low-skilled jobs simply because they simply don’t care about a woman’s occupation, and no only that, like @greenboy said, they don’t want to deal with a stressed-out and jaded woman at home! For the examples of Wonder Women we listed here, there are masses of examples of women who are mid- to high-earning who apparently can’t tolerate the position of homemaker, mother, and professional without being negatively effected.
Though I think everyone on this board are likely good guys, I sometimes question whether most can take in a variety of cases and notice human differences. They mention Wonder Women and then think @greenboy to be nutty for mentioning just how worn down many women get from he current lifestyle expected of them. I work in healthcare. I was raised by a single mother. I have friends with wives in high-earning positions. And you know what I have often heard from them? “I bust my ass!” “I hate this traffic!” “This damn principal!” “My f----g boss!” And let me tell you, it’s not a pretty sight! Some seem to be in a perpetual state of hostility and grievance. And yes, they have the coveted characteristics that @EmilyQ has repeatedly mentioned in this thread: education and intelligence.
One family friend of mine, a seven-figure earner (and a former great bodybuilder), has a wife who earns… nothing. She’s a great woman, generous, caring, dedicated to the kids, and a homemaker. My brother, who makes a high income for his age despite lacking higher education, has routinely had girlfriends with pink-collar jobs (waitressing, bartending, hairstyling). Why? He doesn’t want to deal with unnecessary challenges, grievances and stress when he wants to maximize quality time with a woman! He actually is quite generous with them, with no intention of exerting control
I am a middle-class man married to a pink-collar woman who works two to three days a week. She is highly intelligent, and in her job, if she were to work full time, can match the income of some college graduates. She likely will work more when the kids are older, by her own volition, but on our current course, we want her home with the children. She is a highly dedicated mother and has a seemingly endless amount of patience, and a great homemaker (some forum posters can attest to this considering they’ve been over my home and for events).
I’m sure you know where I am going with all this, simply pointing out different strokes for different folks.
Good post you made.
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It sure is now
Thanks for the great, thoughtful post.
This slipped my mind when I was writing to you. I know you are a social worker but I wasn’t conscious of it as I was replying to you, plus I had the intention of communicating with those in the thread.
Good.
Thanks for the chart! I read the whole thing. I will be taking the authoritative parenting style, which likely is what my wife and I already have to an extent, even though our boy is only almost two years old. Our next child is due in August, and we want three. I am far too much of a sensitive, loving, and emotional guy to be some callous household tyrant, let alone the misery I experienced from having an utterly negligent and absent father! For much of my life, I thought I would never even have a wife and children and loving in-laws.
I suffered from depression and suicidal ideation, which are not uncommon risk factor for fatherless men. Anyone can check the stats, and I am sure you have.
I have my reasons for taking in what @greenboy has to say precisely because I empathize with the plight of men these days. Despite all the supposed privilege men have, there is a suicide epidemic in America, particularly amongst middle-aged white men and increasingly in black youth. So I am not going to have an uncompromising gynocentric attitude despite my appreciation for great women.Many men are , frustrated, angry, and suffering these days, which can be noticed from the sheer amount of male self-help material available. Do you think Jordan Peterson and Jocko Willink have such enormous audiences with men unconditionally venerating them if we had intact households, bright futures, and normal fathers? No, we wouldn’t!
I am doing pretty good, as explained above. I don’t need Jordan Peterson to tell me to clean my room or to have Jock Willink to exhort me to wake up at 4:00 AM and clothesline or body slam Mondays.
Exactly!
I am using it in the way it is used by much of the so-called “manosphere”, in the same way I use the other humorous but understood terms like incel, beta-orbit, alpha, beta bucks, cock carousel, etc.
Though I like what you have to say, it seems you keep referring to this phenomenon of mostly miserable circumstances women were and are inclined to escape via education and improvement. From it, what might be implied is that miserable families were or are some type of norm in the bad old days, that there were few wholesome families, and that seemingly everyone had or has to improve! Why?
I didn’t improve before meeting my wife and she comes from a great family. My in-laws are truly selfless and sacrificial people. Likewise my mother is the same and helped both of us out big in her own way. I improved while with her and improved more after my son was born. As arrogant or blockheaded as it sounds, I don’t know why many men have to improve. Why? With all the self-deprecation I had done to myself in the past, I’ll go out on a limb here and be self-ingratiating. I don’t feel I have to improve. There, I said it. I’m kind, well-mannered, attend work, have an education, a skill (though it is a mid-level skill), a job with nice co-workers and benefits, am bonkers over my son. Despite all the self-help talk about “never-ending self-improvement” and “if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse,” none of my friends and family are shunning me!
There sure is plenty of bitching and moaning in the manosphere. I sympathize with much of what is said. However, the only thing I cannot sympathize with is some notion that there are no normal, healthy women out there, in, dare I say it, the mid-to-low level rungs of the sexual market that will match nearly all of them! Instead, like women being hypergamous, as I said before, they try to punch above their weight. Instead of looking at a cute girl, perhaps with an ordinary J-O-B, they want a woman with the looks of their favorite celebrity or a head turner wherever she goes.
You should take that advanced degree and wipe your ass with it because you clearly can’t read what I say and actually tackle any of it without lowballing me. That’s YOUR tactic, and a majority of people in here as a matter of fact.
I wasn’t the one that got personal first, I didn’t go call people derogatory terms, belittle them, etc.
That was done here and in typical mob fashion once this is highlighted it becomes “aww poor baby you a victim now?” . I came in here in good faith, posted my thoughts, and got lambasted, simply with insults and nothing more.
Some people made good attempts to discuss things in a general manner, but most didn’t. Most came to beat their own chest, show me pictures of their pecs and flat stomachs and pronounce their superiority as if I came in here asking for advice on how to pick up a woman lol
And by the way smart guy I to have an advanced degree, a long with being able to speak 3 different languages (4, if you count the basics I know of python). Currently, I am parlaying my degrees into infosec, so I have been eating up many books. I am not a complete novice in this realm.
Recently, on this topic of algorithms my eyes were opened by Stewart Russel, if you must know where I began to correlate a lot of what I see with the happenings of social media and it’s profound manipulation on society. Here is Russel’s hypothesis on the topic:
“Consider the so-called ‘filter bubble’ of social media. The reinforcement learning algorithm is trying to maximize click throughs. From the view of the human, the purpose of the machine is to maximize clickthroughs. But from the view of the machine, it is changing the state of the world to maximize clicks. It is changing you to make you more predictable. A raving fascist or communist is more predictable and will lap up raving content. The machines can change our mind about our objective function so we are easier to satisfy. Advertisers have done this for decades.”
How he tackles this problem from the viewpoint of the algorithm itself is wonderful and I much enjoy listening to him speak.
There’ s an essay on female libertinism I’d like you to read but I don’t think it would be wise to link it here. Do you have Instagram?
In a logical universe, these 2 thoughts cannot coexist, let alone in direct and sequential proximity.
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That is the huge distance between your mindset and @greenboy. While you have a similar sentiment about societal decline you can respect that other people want things that you don’t want out of life. You aren’t aggrieved and victimized that some people have different priorities.
Did you just use a bunch of outlier (obviously) examples to discredit
My wife is highly educated in her field, makes enough to be a 10%'er in our area of the world, we have 2 kids at home, mortgage, the works.
She’s not a saint, she doesn’t always take it perfectly in stride (which I’ve personally observed more in men due to their inherently more aggressive nature), but it doesn’t really matter. To be able to accomplish all of these things without being worn down just takes a work ethic and the skill to use it.
Work ethics can easily be taught if you catch someone early enough.
Out of your depth after accusing someone of googl’ing? Pivot and counter.
Goddamn I love you people.
I explained this to you upthread like 200 posts ago. Once word gets out about these threads…
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I’d say doing 12 to 16 hour shifts shows a work ethic. These women are competent at the job too. To get their credentials they had the work ethic while quite young. They simply are worn down by it and they have little to nothing positive to say about it. As I said, they seem to have perpetual hostility and jadedness. They are driven by the money, either by need or only desire. Most people don’t have passion for their jobs and it seems many women I’ve observed, plenty of them, perhaps thousands through the years, seem quite worn down and jaded.
People don’t decide not to get worn down. Nature does.
I’ve seen plenty of people pull doubles with absolutely no work ethic. Bills are bills in today’s age, and it’s only getting more expensive to get by.
Oh I believe they exist. Just seems strange to discredit people’s views of the world and question if they consider alternatives using this fashion. I’ve spent time in the foreclosed home industry, so I’ve seen my fair share of worn down people. But I’m currently in the staffing industry with a fortune 500 co servicing mostly fortune 100 cos. There’s a metric fuckton of women in their 40s working heavy stress high travel jobs that aren’t worn down.
The staffing industry is very female heavy fwiw. Our president and COO are both women, as are 2 of the people between me and the female president (out of 5) on the chain.
100% agreed. It’s absolutely not a man or woman thing. It used to be a man thing and is still mostly a man thing with a woman thing in the distance catching up.
Silliness. Getting worn down is a response to constant stress. The way people absorb and are impacted by stress varies greatly from person to person. That doesn’t mean there aren’t a SLEW of ways to control the stress/anxiety/etc that leads to being worn down.
There’s entire training seminars and corporate crap around appropriately understanding the impact things will have on you in the workplace so you can respond accordingly. I’m not saying every single person on the planet can do any job without being worn down, but it’s not hard to get a leg up if you put in the effort.
Where have I not respected what other people want out of life? Like, where is this coming from?
You guys pretty much gloss over what I say, nitpick certain things and mold it to fit your perception of what you guys think I am.
Most of you already assume “oh this guy is an angry incel” and then that’s it, it’s over. Despite multiple times saying I have no problem getting women, never did, probably never will, yet that does not matter, at all. Assumptions are made about my looks, money, achievements, all of it, from the simple fact that people here do not agree or do not care to understand my point of view. Period.
Depth of what you fucking maniac? I even went as far to quote you someone I am currently following, and listening to in the industry and you completely glossed over it.
You’re putting no effort into having a constructive discussion. At some point I’ll have to simply ignore or block some of you.
lol. Maniac. You’re definitely 40.
You didn’t quote it to me. Are you even paying attention to who you’re talking to? You expect people to take you seriously?
Well that’s pretty much always how these things end with you guys.
You’re right it was polo, got it mixed up since you brought it up.
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I actually think we’d all be better off if less women worked or worked less generally. Beauty can’t be controlled, though fitness, good appearance and hygiene benefit everyone. Again, @greenboy comes off as hyperbolic but actually nothing he says surprises me considering so many people I know well, including friends, co-workers, and family members, or have met briefly, notice the same things he does. There are essays and books on the sexual market these days, some by rational men with Phd’s, as well as books on the breakdown of men and current boy problems, like The Boy Crisis, and War on Men.
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Is this said in the context of first fixing the root of why women work more these days, high costs and low quality men?
How would you go about fixing those core problems so women could work considerably less?