If they can afford it. I mean, we’re talking about the average whiny gym bro, aren’t we? Because that’s the accurate representation of the typical US late/post millennial population.
This isn’t something one finds. It’s something one works towards. I’m sensing a trend by you of seeking instant gratification…
To whom? It matters to some people, not so much for others. You seem to be operating under the assumption all of human behavior and virtue is a monolith with slight to no variation.
What IS reality? Is it objective or subjective? Do you know what reality is? Or do you know what your perception of reality is? Or do you THINK you know what your perception of reality is?
“All I know is that I know nothing” - Socrates
Maybe the issue is you are doing a poor job conveying your thoughts effectively. If an entire group of relatively intelligent men and women are having a tough time, by your admission, addressing your “points” maybe the issue isn’t with them, it’s with you? Just something to think about.
What is “a modern female”? Is this a ubiquitous phenomenon? Are there no variations amongst “modern females today”? Do you not recognize this? Why do you address these phenomena as if a monolith? You claim to be in your 30s (I think I saw that earlier in this thread apologies if I am misremembering) yet are making assertions as if you have no real world experience and have not observed variations in behavior among any given cohort of people.
So what’s your point? What’s the market share of the Bumble (and other similar) app? What’s the percentage of people of any age cohort using it? What’s the turnover? Just the fact it exists doesn’t give anyone keen insight into long term values, virtues and behaviors like you seem to be implying it does.
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It implies demand for a climate where women have to initiate the conversation.
Let’s be real, that’s his actual issue with bumble. Otherwise he’d have name dropped tinder.
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So much to unpack here, there’s no way I have time to do it all justice.
@greenboy You come in here and make an assertion which goes against what most people believe, which puts the burden of proof on you. You make a lot of tenuously-connected statements that you say are ‘known’ or ‘scientifically proven’ with no evidence to back them up, stack together with a bunch of your anecdotal evidence which incidentally does not track well with the personal anecdotal evidence of the people responding to you, and step back and call it a ‘proof’ and challenge people to prove you wrong. Every time someone challenges one of your statements or presents their own anecdotal evidence that is counter to yours, you start with the ad hominem attacks.
Then you assert that women are victims in this whole mess, as well. They’re being sold a bad bill of goods, being forced against their will to become self-sufficient, competent, independent human beings against their very nature. It’s a good thing that people like you are around to save them from themselves and tell them the way they ought to be!
As far as the people blowing their own horns goes, I’ll throw in a curveball on that one. I was the perfect candidate to become a bitter human being, like an early-days incel before that really became a thing. I’m a short, misanthropic, 50-something year old on the autism spectrum, for whom no social skills came naturally. I was severely bullied as a child, and didn’t lose my virginity until I was in my 20’s. I’ve made a ton of mistakes, and I have 2 failed marriages behind me that I stuck with way too long because of some combination of bad self-esteem, being conflict-averse, a misplaced desire to please and poor decision-making.
I’m now married to my best friend of 30-something years, a beautiful, intelligent, self-sufficient woman who knows all my dark past and loves me for it, and I have 4 wonderful kids who I’ve rebuilt a good relationship with after doing a lot of damage due to the aforementioned bad marriage decisions. If someone like me can figure out how to become a happy, successful, fully-functional, empathetic human being, there’s hope for anyone, I promise.
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ahh man … why’d you withdraw that post … it made me laugh
I figure withdrawing posts makes me seem mysterious and interesting.
I know. Now I want to know what it said too.
I just moved it to another place to avoid cluttering up whatever this thread is. Click the pencil icon in the top right of the post if you really need to scratch that itch.
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it was a joke along the lines of:
“hey you, are you me?”
Polo said it better though
I don’t think it’s possible to post something here that would damage this thread, to be honest. It’s like a zombie thread that’s taken on its own un-life. Huslinbriks died only to rise again as greenboy.
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I’ve reached the conclusion that it’s not worth my time engaging seriously with this thread, so I can just sit back and snipe occasionally.
Far smarter, more eloquent people are keeping the serious side going, I’m not going to add much that they can’t.
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She is a fugly man-wench
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You just hate women.
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greenboy,
As an objective observer who just happened to pass through and read this thread in its entirety (i.e. I have no skin in this particular game), here are the basic points that you keep missing:
You repeatedly describe the entire relationship dynamic in this country as being corrupted on all sides (something I don’t happen to agree with, by the way), yet you only blame females for this and in increasingly harsh terms. Not once do you ever even hint at the idea that men might be architects of their own supposed corruption or that what’s happening with women is a direct response to what already happened with men. It’s this overwhelmingly one-sided viewpoint that’s leading the others to connect you to this incel nonsense.
Also, it’s very clear from your posts that you have very limited access to opposing viewpoints (and no, traveling and observing them from afar is not at all the same thing as fully engaging them). I’m not just basing this on the fact that so many others in this thread offered differing experiences, either. It’s something we all do, to some extent. We tend to surround ourselves with those who think like us, though some are certainly better at diversifying their relationships than others. You may THINK that because the people you regularly interact with tend to share your viewpoint, this proves your assertion (which was very slow in revealing itself, by the way), but all it proves is that you have, perhaps subconsciously, sought out and retained the company of like-minded people. In other words, you created your own echo chamber.
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Misogyny is on my coat of arms
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I know this is tongue in cheek but my husband and I laugh because I legit make kick ass sandwiches. They are magic.
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Quality post, bravo.
I do blame females but not because they are inherently doing this to be evil, it’s part of their genetic makeup, and because social media+feminism+unchecked capitalism fucked them up good they may possibly pay a bigger price in the end than men.
We are actually already seeing this flesh out with the Generation Z:
You say my viewpoint is limited to the people around me, only that the baseline for all males is the same, no matter where in the world you go. Same with women. Sure, there will be variances, yes environment plays a role but on average every one starts to return to the center.
Every man all over the world is going to value beauty and youth a great deal, every woman is going to value security, etc etc. I don’t care how many dudes in here virtue signal their bullshit this is the truth for most men all over the world. Yeah , I mean, come on, I get it if you’re married to your best friend and you can look back and give us some b.s how you fell in love with her great character and personality and that you don’t care if she ages horribly, totally get that, and that’s the way it should be, but don’t apply that to the mean value.
What bothers me is the hypocritical nature of the current market. Women want what they think is equality, they want to infiltrate every single job market no matter if they are mostly ill fitted for it. They want it all.
And hey , you all might think well why not? step up yo’ game loser. OK, but this is a numbers game and not everyone can fit into a shrinking economy. What happens to the millions of men that will not find that ideal position? Will women begin to accept them? No, as we can see in this very thread they will not, they will still be expected to live by traditional standards while their female counterparts can succeed as the new ‘modern’ female with new rules, and expectations.
This is a problem that I see younger generations dealing with hardcore. Full stop. I saw a post earlier saying something about guys turning to just playing video games in their basement…
And yeah they are lol. In droves. There are actually certain towns in coastal areas where you go out and it’s mainly females at the upscale lounges/bars. I was shocked by this occurrence. Being an older guy with some friends that have significant capital, I won’t lie, we enjoyed ourselves that night.
But fuck me if its’ not getting brutal out there.