So women should work/earn less and be pretty?
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Me neither, dude.
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By the way, I did a brief stint as a veterinary technician, and was trained by an amazing tech. She performed dental x-rays and extractions, threaded catheters on all sizes and species of animal, and could subdue a 150 lb mastiff without harming it or herself.
She doesn’t work at the moment, mostly because I married her and she had my kids, but I always remember, and remind her, that I fell in love with her competence, confidence, and intelligence. At work.
She’s going back to work next month after two years “off” (raising children isn’t free time, that’s for sure), and I’m almost as excited as she is.
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Um, we depend on women like they depend on us. However, you’ll never see a fucking man say “I want to learn to cook, clean, and breast feed so I never have to rely on a woman”.
My issue is not with women, my issue is with what current society is trying to sell everyone. It’s a rotten bill of goods.
Yes. lol.Absolutely.
Is this somehow shocking to you? Probably because the current state of things here has made you believe this is a terrible way to think.
You’re saying you weren’t physically attracted to her at all before she started teaching you how to do your job?
It’s not actually shocking at all. I’ve always had a great deal of respect for autonomous women driven to achieve their own personal goals, whether that is being a housewife/mother, educational, professional or other, but I also know that some men don’t.
I’ve had a couple of pretty bimbos and they get boring pretty quickly. The woman I married is actually one you wouldn’t look twice at, but I couldn’t care less. She’s educated, accomplished, and (imho) pretty brilliant. Also challenging, an independent thinker, and quite interesting. And that’s after being together for 15 years, married for 12.
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Sounds like an awesome person. Now did you initially talk to her because of those things or because you thought she was attractive?
I was physically attracted to a lot of women before I met my wife. I didn’t want to marry any of them. I didn’t want to have kids with anybody, ever. Her work ethic and prowess made me fall in love with her. Your query is pretty sad, actually - you think looks are the be-all, end-all of women, and you’ll never know what it’s like to wake up next to a real woman. There will always be a smarter woman than you or I. Whether the smartest person in the world is a man or a woman, I can’t say, but you and I aren’t part of that conversation. I don’t know that there’s anything more beta than not even giving women the chance to be better than us.
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What the…
hefty little rant there fella. No one said anything about not giving women a chance to be better than anything. Women in the United States are the most privileged women to ever be alive at any point any where in fucking history. They have all the opportunity in the world to be better
But that doesn’t make them better than men at things they will never be better than men at. Period. Or do you believe some women should play in the NFL?
And again you didn’t answer my question. Were you attracted to her initially at all? Or only after you discovered how brilliant she was?
Our first conversation was over the phone, as we were fixed up by a mutual friend. We talked a good bit about each other’s interests before either of us decided to meet in person. So actually, it was her education, verbal ability, and intelligence that came through first. In person was good too. Time and motherhood has been pretty tough, but she was pretty damn attractive too. Pretty much embodied the phrase “titties get the tips” at her side gig as a bar tender.
Marilyn Vos Savant! (pretty hot back in her day too!)
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Yeah, ok. See, the pattern is all the same. My point that I’ve tried to make by asking you and flapp, is that you were STILL physically attracted to these women.
It’s almost impossible to find a male that will find a woman attracted strictly based on other non visual attributes. It’s RARE because that is not how our brains have evolved to work. This was the point I was waiting to get at.
You can find the most powerful, brilliant woman in the world but if you aren’t visually attracted to her, your dick ain’t getting hard. It is what it is.
No one man can speak for all men, especially when it comes to what one finds attractive.
Similar to speaking so broadly about women. You are going to be wrong.
I was in Marine Corps infantry, and didn’t want a woman who couldn’t pick my 220+ lb ass up with 70+ lbs of combat gear on and drag me to safety, in my platoon. So no, if they can’t outclass men in the NFL, they shouldn’t play. But if you’re upset about women working too much, it’s because you’re scared that they’ll outclass you.
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Again, this is very sad. You can’t tell the difference between physical attraction, and the kind of connection that would lead you to marry someone, have 2 children with them, and move to a different state to make a better life. I was physically attracted to my wife, and to tons of women that I didn’t decide to spend my life with.
Dude, no. That’s not the point at all.
But I’m tired. going to bed.
Alone, no doubt.
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Somewhat of a moot point, but I’ve never said otherwise.
Attractiveness wasn’t the point of contention at the start of this conversation though. It was that women in the US are haggard from working too much and that they should just be pretty.
They are. And why guys like you and flippant over here can’t see the point in what I’m saying and instead try to pass this off as some incel shit is mind boggling…
what man wants their wives working to destroy themselves? Most of us will age better than our wives/girlfriends so why make it harder on them ? and on yourself?
None of this makes any sense to me.
Not me. I’ll likely die from job related injury and illness long before her. I’ve been exposed to so much toxic shit I probably give other people cancer.
There’s also some longer term thought to my own choices. I wanted a woman that can hold her own as a role model for potential children, and to be able to pass on my values about women to them. Since the mother is half of the equation in child rearing, I had to find a woman that embodies the characteristics that I value and respect. Not that I don’t value or respect the traditional female role either, it just wasn’t my choice personally.
How much or how far have you seriously thought through spouse choosing and child rearing, and how old are you?
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For the sake of argument, let’s assume you are right.
This would reflect more on the MEN than the women in society. You really don’t get it? If we go along with your line of reasoning, the inevitable conclusion we would arrive at is: YOU suck. You don’t give them give them a sense of security. If I buy a high risk stock, you bet I’m going to hedge it accordingly.