Have You Ever Beta Orbited a Girl

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The low end places are the ones where girls freelance and live solely on tips, actually. But they’re like 10-20USD per client.

I read reports several years ago that the kid beggars in China may have been kidnapped but I’m not sure if this is real or sensationalized news. When it comes to the sex trade, China is relatively “clean”, as in more organized when compared to S.E Asia. You do see lots of street walkers near hotels but they’re somehow less conspicuous like they disperse themselves in a way so it doesn’t look as messy like in other countries. I’m not sure how this developed tbh.

http://en.people.cn/90001/90776/90882/6692533.html

But this sex slave thing definitely happens in S.E. Asia, especially the child sex trade. I’m watched documentaries about it happening in the Philippines. Since the 80’s people have been talking about it in the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand and Cambodia but I haven’t seen it myself.

Kidnapping children and crippling them to make them serve as beggars was also widely spoken about in the region.

There are lots of consensual workers there as well. The system is more like US strip clubs where girls earn on alcohol sales. The problem is these girls are not very bright or street smart, unlike China girls, so they’re taken advantaged of more easily.

The Filipino clubs where I live work with this same system but it’s messier as the club owner has to hire them on work permits so he keeps their passports and restricts their movement after work because he has to pay a bond on them which will be forfeited if any go missing. Vietnamese and Cambodians are freelancers like China girls but they will mostly work in normal pubs for tips and offer sexual services after that at cheap hotels.

The sex trade for Chinese people around the world does vary a lot lol. The bulk of the ones in lower end clubs are freelancers who jump from club to club so there’s no “quality control”. There are nightclubs where girls don’t even engage in sexual acts but let you grope them. But even the cheapest ones have tipping systems because this is how the girls make money. There are also massage parlors/ day spas for men with “happy endings” and all.

It’s all quite complicated but as I said before I grew up in this kind of environment and had to entertain clients in these places so I’m pretty familiar with it after so long. Have to know which places I should being clients to and which places to avoid as well since there are some shitty ones and some where people are openly peddling drugs that get frequently raided by narcs.

Even made good friends with some of the girls and still keep in contact via social media since I’d ask for the same ones every time.

They knew I was there on business so they’d tone down the hanky panky stuff and help me discretely water down my drinks so I wouldn’t get too drunk. Nice girls. One made enough money in a couple of years and now owns several properties in Shenzhen and even helped me decide on which one for me and my wife to invest in lol. We got quite a good return on that.

You can probably see why I’m so open minded about these things and why I don’t really like judging these girls. It’s the men who cheat on their wives that I disapprove of.

The thing about pimps and Chinese people is that they are so despised I’m told they’ll get beaten up in jail by other inmates if they get caught so people would rather sell drugs than become pimps lol. Same thing with rapists.

I don’t know how I ended up talking so much about the sex trade in Asia in this thread and I apologize if I’ve written too much but I thought it would be interesting for you guys and gals so I just got carried away while typing lol.

I’d personally be interested to know how it goes down in the West if anyone has experience or knowledge.

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2957

Yes, but I’m fully convinced that with will and force and enough resources a country can stamp out any vice trade it wants to. But like, you know, that will require being mean to some people.

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2958

I also was referring to specific demographics of people with high agency, intelligence and strong social pressures that balances out their vices so to speak.

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I’d say it depends on how large the country is.

You can probably get small(er)(ish??) communities to do it, kind of on a sort of decentralized but coordinated initiative, but I doubt you could on any large nation like China or the US… Luxemourg MAYBE, but I still doubt it…

Even if you’re being super duper mean, people with a vested interest in the administration of said vices would just adapt and innovate…

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It absolutely is interesting to me! Only rarely do I encounter things having to do with people or cultures that are NOT interesting to me. Maybe never.

I would say that this is similar to how things operate in the states, though as you note pimps may (or may not, depends) have a great deal more power than the girls they run here. Many, maybe most, of our lowest-end sex workers of both genders have drug problems and may be paid in product. I also know first hand (unfortunately) that even in my small town, postcard-looking area, which has a pale underbelly of poverty and addiction, parents are offering the sexual services of their young children for drugs or drug money. One of the clients at the community mental health agency I worked for years ago was only in kindergarten when she was found to have been used this way. I didn’t work with her, but I’ll never forget my best friend and eventual business partner’s face when she came in to offload the intake she’d just done with the kid. I still feel traumatized by it, even at a double remove. A little girl, fellating grown men. WTF. I currently have an adult client whose male partner was also traded by parents for drugs during childhood.

I know high-end escorts, prostitutes (Las Vegas, say), and strippers make a tremendous amount of money, though what portion is tip and what portion pay I don’t know.

I join you in judging the people who cheat with prostitutes much more harshly than the workers. In fact, I don’t know that I have a problem with anything consenting adults do. Cheating is problematic for me because one of the adults involved has not consented.

I pray for karmic/cosmic justice for the people who abuse children in this way.

And some of these people are upright citizens whose livelihoods are connected to vice. Cops, lawyers, bail bondsmen, etc.

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2961

let’s not go making assumptions of the character of cops, lawyers, bail bondsmen, etc. now :wink:

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I’m not. I’m making assumptions about their income streams.

Edit: Although starry-eyed liberal that I am, I’d rather see those revenues go to clinics for testing and safety, rehab facilities for the drug addicted, and community workers to help reduce homelessness and reliance for those who’d like to exit the trade.

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Sure, hence why I’ve several times brought up Hans Hoppe’s fantastic idea of covenant communities that will never become a reality but is something I’d prefer. This way people can have the utmost freedom of association and don’t have to be bothered by others imposing their wills and vices onto others.

So for example, and related to this thread of beta orbiting that has spinoff topics of sexuality and romance, a covenant community might have a covenant stating:
“We condemn and will apply penalties for pornography, polygamy, polyandry, adultery, and prostitution, including ‘physical removal’ (Hoppe’s meme). We expect modest behavior and dress.” And so on. Then in conclusion, “If you want something else, find another community suitable for you.”

Obviously this is libertarian LARPing but I’d be up for it.

Such a place might actually have few “orbiters”.

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2964

First thought that popped into my head:

The Amish.

For every community that attempts to live a chaste or pious life, there are a bunch of guys looking at it going “Wow! I bet those chicks are crazy in bed!”.

I was telling a buddy about my little trip over to Lancaster (Amish country/old Pennsylvania Dutch) to see Thomas The Tank Engine with my kid, and all he kept going back to was “How 'bout them Amish chicks!?!”. :joy:

It’s like trying to stomp out a human nature or condition.

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It though of them and Chasidic Jews. Of course no community is problem-free but they can run smoothly. There are few Chasidic “orbiters”; they are wifed up early and have many children.

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Oh, I misunderstood the orbit. I was thinking of the guys from outside of the community who mystify or fetishize the members of the group.

You’re referring to men within the group who are unattached or otherwise undesirable, huh?

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2967

Shit we’ve pod home schooled, since the reservation has been in major freak out mode because of Covid. (For whatever reason, it’s been killing Indians way worse than others. You fucking foreigners and your diseases.)

We’ve kind of liked it. We cherry picked the 10 smart kids in each class and have been having our own school.

They’re getting math from a retired white sands rocket scientist who has grandkids. He’s way better than anything at the real public school.

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2968

Right. I got what you meant though.

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:rofl:

My wife’s aunt once came to visit us, and it just happened to be on the anniversary of the siege of Fort Pitt.

One Guess what she brought as gifts!

That can be more difficult than a hand full of regular kids though.

I’m watching a breakdown in action as a few of my sons classmates continue to seek and destroy, using any sensitivities that they find in the teacher to erode her authority and wear her down emotionally.

She’s getting her ass kicked by a couple of 8 year olds. To their credit, she started it by being a passive aggressive headcase and displaying flagrant favoritism while also admitting that she has no power to punish.

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The problem is that I’ve not seen any country do that. The only country REALLY capable of doing something like this is Brunei and it’s not happened there. I’m even taking population, First World status, cultural and religious homogeneity, LEO proportion to citizens, geography etc into consideration.

This is how tough their laws are even with homosexuality:

So you gotta think about what led to such a drastic law. It didn’t just go from 0 to 100. There must have been really draconian laws which increased incrementally over time but the “problem” didn’t go away.

Drug Trafficking:

Note that they only have a population of less than 500,000.

Go look up the sex trade and drug busts in Singapore plus their strictness of their laws and willingess to enforce it.

I really don’t think it’s realistic to expect any country to be able to stamp out vice. I think most governments have accepted it will exist and seek to control it as in keeping it confined to one small district. If you speak to club owners and cops in these countries, they’ll tell you they have meetings with where they set quotas on the number of clubs in some places and the frequency of testing of girls for STDSs etc.

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Even the drug war in the Philippines failed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-drugs-performance-exclusi-idUSKBN2010IL
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-drugs-idUSKBN1Z50YH

But in fairness, their geography and high levels of government corruption are more conducive to drug smuggling. They also have a population of 100 million.

However, this is still the result of crazy measures taken by the government by any standards and the returns just don’t pan out. And I don’t even buy their official stats. It could have been an even more miserable failure.

*Also, in fairness, note that the 2nd article only states the stats for meth. It could have worked better for other drugs although I can’t be bothered to dig any deeper but the costs still don’t match the returns. And again, keep in mind that if a country is willing to order “extra-judicial killings”, you really can’t trust their official stats.

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I’m not even bringing up much on the sex trade because this would be even lower on their list of priorties since it’s acknowledged everywhere that cases of rape go up when you try to abolish it, and rapists aren’t only severely punished, they’re also attacked by prisoners in jail.

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Ah, the difference is Chinese people just love making money lol. There are even fake marriage scams in China to invest in property across different provinces. That’s how much we love making money. The ones who do it to support drug habits are there but they’re rare. I don’t think the demand for payment in drugs is high enough for their bosses to do so.

Yeah, these happen in my part of the world as well but they’re usually individual situations, not part of a coordinated vice ring. There are definitely some that exist, just like that Jeffrey Epstein thing but much lower end and sleazier, but they’re rare and usually very discrete so I don’t have much knowledge about them other than what I read in the news.

That’s my main rationale. If couples want to be swingers or have “open marriages” I don’t judge them as long as they don’t negatively affect their kids.

When I decided to get married, I decided that I wanted to stop fucking around. If I didn’t decide to stop fucking around I wouldn’t have gotten married. It was a very simple decision. Hard to execute at times, but simple to make.

I mean, let’s say a man gets emotionally attracted to another woman, that’s another story involving a more complex situation.

But casually fucking around is just being an ass.

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I have.

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Which is it? I would like to see what they’re doing as well.

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Perhaps I shouldn’t have said stamped out, as that might imply that we can literally curtail everyone’s undesirable behavior. We can’t. Plus there would come a point in which surveillance, intrusion, and resources we be so costly in this that it would be unbearable.

What I meant was a large-scale precedent set and legal measure taken to keep it at a level that doesn’t harm society at large. And yes, in some cases that would require being especially punitive.

If memory serves me correctly, Russia banned two of the largest porn websites. Putin once publicly expressed his disgust for the trash coming out of Hollywood. Israel blocks porn sites and requires a public request to access them. We once had obscenity laws for depictions of revenge, criminality, violence, and sexuality in cinema in the US. The Taliban government of Afghanistan clamped down on the heroine trade. There was a hellish, freak show city somewhere in history that saw its end because of determined people. It has been proposed by some that liberal use of the death penalty lead to the Industrial Revolution.

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I gotta tell ya, most countries in South Asia have also banned most porn sites, including mine. But I have a VPN so I can even watch pornhub in hd on my smart tv! In fact, youtube and google are banned in China but every computer literate person under 50 probably has a VPN there lol.

I really wouldn’t buy any stats the Taliban claims. It’s like believing China’s GDP stats in the early 2000s.

Man, I don’t know about that one. I only know about the UK video nasties list. But I’m not really convinced that all these contribute much to vice and crime. I’d be worse than Buffalo Bill right now from all the thrash I’ve watched if that were the case. Seriously, name me any 3 ultra violent gore flicks in the last 35 years and I’ll bet I’ve watched at least 2 of them unless they’re the new “self-aware parody of themselves” ones. Fucking hate those.