I’m pretty sure roids didn’t make him successful in business…
I wasn’t talking about business but I wouldn’t be surprised if he inherited the company from a family member, wouldn’t that be a fucking doozy.
So many people angry at Trump, but Trump embodies what America is about. It’s all illusion, complete bullshit.
“Oh he’s a successful businessman” uhhhhhh yeah he inherited an insane amount of wealth from his father, and actually tanked most of it until he became a TV star which saved him. The irony. The libs saved him. Now they bank off him and his reality tv show presidency while telling everyone we should be angry.
Well even then that’s bullshit. I know plenty of natural guys with awesome physique (I train with the France Junior physique 2019) and I know guys on gear with shitty bodies.
True statement. There are some genetic outliers out there but you’d tend discover that by 18, or at least within a year or two of lifting.
What you won’t ever know (from what I’ve read since I’ve never tried the stuff…yet) is how someone responds to it. Not everyone will respond the same to AAS apparently.
Sure some people respond way better than other, but once again, life’s not fair, and some people are natural jacked or super strong.
And meh unless you really have a condition, you’ll improve if you put the time and effort. This is my 5th year of serious training and I gained 4 kilos of lean mass. Which is more than other years than the first. Granted, the first 2-3 years I was alcoholic, had heavy surgeries on both knees etc but I still achieved a decent physique. John Meadows took stuff pretty much all his life and yet he made big gains at 40.
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Are you on stuff now? I’ve been slowly putting together an idea of what I want to do… I’m still undecided.
No. There’s no point unless I have reached my natural potential which I think is far from being attained, and even then I don’t think I would. The pros don’t outwheigh the cons for me.
But maybe I would have a beard then?
Agreed. Hyper responders to steroids are just as rare as naturals with stellar genetics. They all fall on a bell curve. The dumbasses on steroids who probably look like they train a little, but still look like shit would be the most commonly seen. So either he met a lot of Kevin Leverones in high school, or he is full of shit as usual. The argument about steroids is stupid.
Also, @flipcollar already posted his pics when he was natural in this thread like he normally does. This guy is just doing his usual strawmans and deflections.
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And he looked like a normal lean gym guy. Nothing genetically spectacular where you’d say “woah, this guy can go places if he took stuff”
But I think he’s more into strongman stuff? right? So maybe he’s naturally strong with good joints and tendons.
Most of the “dumbasses on steroids” are people that probably take stuff without ever dialing in their nutrition, start taking when they’re fat, and don’t actually have any training plan.
In my experience the skinnier guys are the ones that always responded better than the bulkier guys. I’ve known a lot of lean to moderately lean guys from high school that jumped and became monsters. I can’t say I knew many hefty, to fat guys that decided to do the same and looked good. I guess there’s logic behind that, with fatty tissue being attractive to estrogen binding or whatever.]
Again, this is all besides the point , really. Those same responders to gear wouldn’t be where they are on gear vs without. That is the point. Just because they respond well to it doesn’t mean they can go “oh it has nothing to do with the gear bruh”
Nohomo but he looked better than that. At least in my country you don’t see that much guys with decent physiques.
Yeah maybe these guys wouldn’t be where they are but so what?
Nothing. It is the lecturing that rubs me off the wrong way. Like I said, I’ve known people that went through a transformation. Afterwards, they attributed it all to “hard work” and not at all to the insane amount of exogenous shit they put into their bodies.
Sure some people do that but I don’t think he did.
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For me, as a realist, I like to see a response a long the lines of “look, I wanted to change my life, I worked hard, I dieted, and when I reached my limit I took a lot of gear to get to where I’m at.” You want to ‘body hack’ that’s fine, but be upfront about it when talking to other people.
You don’t wanna be honest? that is also fine. It is no ones business what you take. But when you wanna champion yourself, lecture people, and give life lessons then fuck you if you aren’t going to be upfront.
It is the same way in business. People like to talk about how hard they work, and how much they have ‘made it’ but then they leave out that they were fortunate enough to have a father in investment banking, and got a million dollars to start their business… lol shit like that rubs me the wrong way, and I see a lot of it.
There is literally nothing that isn’t non-contradictory or just plain dumb in this post. I honestly don’t even know how to respond to it.
My understanding is that they looked like Kevin, just bulkier, with a little more muscle mass.
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Sorry, maybe you’ll like this better…
Although taking a second look at the woman, I do see the 80’s. Specifically, Kirk Cameron. I googled haircuts 2019, tho.
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I was thinking Flashdance babe.
Legwarmers never looked so good.
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You seem to know a lot about business, so you probably know that it takes a lot to run one as a productive business concern, but not much at all to lose one. People do that all the time.
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I know a couple of successful female business owners who might be able to comment. But it would be hard to get them. At age 35, they just spontaneously self destructed and now operate their respective holdings remotely from nursing homes scattered across the country.
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That is true.