Has Society Become too Pussified?

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[quote]CBear84 wrote:
240lbs40vert wrote:
i mean just look at us. we always look for the easy way out of everything. social networking sites such as facebook have allow us to bitch moan and complain about everything. we are too scared to do simple stuff like talking to women at times…

just wondering if anyone here shares my views, or think of other ways we have become pussified

66% or more of the US is obese. The requirement for which they raise every day, to avoid damaging people’s self esteem.*

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Yeah, I think even I’m considered obese, but barely. It’s sad that a size 10 woman is considered “plus-sized” and a size 14 is “obese.”

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This is talked about often on this site. And I dont think its so much that everyones a pussy its just the trend were going through right now. Biology is fighting pop culture and it will eventually win out.

As soon as a T-man comes along whos enthralled in popular culture paradigms will shift again. This isnt permanent it just sucks that its happening in the 10 - 20 year period where were all in our prime.

Be a part of the solution not the problem and start bullying people again.

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and to comment on the origional topic of the thread… people are definately fat and it has alot to do with laziness developed as a result of advanncing technology which has created conveniences and ameneties that allow us to be lazy

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Im sick of the fact that modern culture shits on the fuckin blue collar working man who goes in to the construction site, or puts your fucking power lines up.

My father works as a linesman for a large worldwide company that some of you might know its called DOW and its in mid-MI and the high up fucks who are fucking pussies in there look down on the working man!

I feel sick thinking about this because my father the fuckin blue collar no college education working man is making 10-15 dollars more an hour than they do, and they look down on him. I also hate the fact that gilrs dig girly men, it seems that many girls would rather date a sinny fuck in emo pants than men with muscles. pathetic

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[quote]rcfromdb wrote:
Find 4 boys in this picture.

http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tokio_hotel1.jpg[/quote]

the one on the right looks scared, I would be too.

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LMAO the two guys on the outside look like theyre on the fence the two in the middle jumped right over

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
LMAO the two guys on the outside look like theyre on the fence the two in the middle jumped right over[/quote]

The one on the right has a baby face, but that’s it. Doesn’t look like he has skinny jeans on, has a masculine shirt and hat on. Not much you can do about a baby face. The one on the left, fuckin’ hippy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I doubt most of the guys growing up right now wearing skinny jeans and basically trying to avoid any sign of outward masculinity will have much of a problem here though. They will have been molded all of their lives to believe trying to be more feminine is “in” and trendy
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I agree. It’s quite depressing. What is more alarming, in my mind, is how it’s spreading to other facets of society. I recall a post on tnation quite some time ago (it might have been X or Modok?

I was still lurking at the time) about how being average, or even subpar at things is now the “in” goal - excelling at something seems to be almost like a phobia to most people since they would somehow stick out from everyone else (and of course fitting into the perfect mold is what we all want… right? Sigh.)

This actually scares me. Having been alerted to the estrogen-soaking of society from a young age, I was able to actively observe it take place throughout my younger school years. Boys were never allowed to act like boys (ie running around, being generally boisterous, climbing everything in sight, etc…). It was always a contest as to who could act as “well mannered” as women.

I feel like the imbalance between the sexes that existed 50 years ago (in terms of education - don’t want to get into jobs and the like right now) has been completely reversed. Now everything is geared towards women succeeding… they were aiming for the halfway point and it seems like they blew right past it.

Another factor contributing to the “pussification” of society as the OP put it isn’t helped by the ridiculous amounts of estrogen prevalent in… everything these days. Soaps and shampoos might as well be small placentas, and the hormone imbalance has even been having adverse effects in nature (look up some of the mutations that have taken place in large lakes).

How are we to preserve… all that is man?

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Well yes, I think society has been pussified a bit, especially since in popular culture it’s cool for a man to be as close to gay as possible, it will either pass because it’s a trend, or get worse because of technology. Though I think there will always be areas or groups of people that appreciate manliness.

Where I live I don’t see a ton of wanna be homos overpopulating the place. That being said, when you do find them, they aren’t necessarily bad people, they are just dudes I wouldn’t want to chill with. There are douchebags that are girly and there are douche bags that are manly (or at least try there hardest in all the wrong ways.)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It isn’t just about hard physical labor either. Now in society, you will get hammered back into place if you go around acting like a guy…ie. aggressive, or dominating in situations that involve many other women. [/quote]

And this is why some of us have to fake it to make it. Honestly, I wouldn’t even be where I am right now if I didn’t learn to fake it, so here the ends justify the means. The problem with this is being able to find people with whom I can be real with instead of being the facade I put up in public for the sake of my career.

As far as people being lazy/fat goes and how modern technology/medicine fits with that, modern tech/medicine has changed what it means to be fit. Survival of the fittest is no longer about who is the biggest/strongest, but about being able to earn decent money.

In today’s society, the careers that pay the most are also the least physically demanding. Technology makes things more convenient, so people can avoid labor. Medicine allows almost anyone to survive long enough to pass on their genetic material, regardless of whether or not their genetic material is worth passing on.

Not only is the gene pool not getting stronger, but the fact that the lazy get to reproduce ensures that they get to propagate their lifestyle through their children. So even if these kids have great genetic potential, they may never realize their potential and end up as failures anyway.

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[quote]madquarker wrote:
I recall a post on tnation quite some time ago (it might have been X or Modok? I was still lurking at the time) about how being average, or even subpar at things is now the “in” goal - excelling at something seems to be almost like a phobia to most people since they would somehow stick out from everyone else (and of course fitting into the perfect mold is what we all want… right? Sigh.)
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It’s not just about fitting in, it’s also a fear of failure. If you never try, you never fail. I knew someone who wanted to get into a professional program at school. She knew this program was her dream after shadowing and volunteering to see what it was all about.

However, she never applied because she didn’t think she would get in. So instead of earning her dream career, she is settling for something less competitive. In her mind, she is successful.

To me, she is only “successful” because she never failed, and she never failed because she never tried. Although she will get by okay, she will never know what it is like to overcome the odds and achieve true glory.

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[quote]brauny96 wrote:
Im sick of the fact that modern culture shits on the fuckin blue collar working man who goes in to the construction site, or puts your fucking power lines up.

My father works as a linesman for a large worldwide company that some of you might know its called DOW and its in mid-MI and the high up fucks who are fucking pussies in there look down on the working man!

I feel sick thinking about this because my father the fuckin blue collar no college education working man is making 10-15 dollars more an hour than they do, and they look down on him. I also hate the fact that gilrs dig girly men, it seems that many girls would rather date a sinny fuck in emo pants than men with muscles. pathetic[/quote]

Quoted for truth.

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[quote]kardon wrote:

It’s not just about fitting in, it’s also a fear of failure. If you never try, you never fail. I knew someone who wanted to get into a professional program at school. She knew this program was her dream after shadowing and volunteering to see what it was all about.

However, she never applied because she didn’t think she would get in. So instead of earning her dream career, she is settling for something less competitive. In her mind, she is successful.

To me, she is only “successful” because she never failed, and she never failed because she never tried. Although she will get by okay, she will never know what it is like to overcome the odds and achieve true glory.[/quote]

That is what I was also trying to convey, but was too tired to manage it succinctly enough. Strangely enough, I suffer from what you describe - just not trying… but I’m slowly getting over that and actually doing something with my life. I wouldn’t let your friend think she’s successful if giving up was her solution - it would set anyone up for unhappiness further down the line.

The “not trying” thing is more prevalent in young people than I think we all realize. I’m in my second year of engineering, and even there, where most people are reasonably good at school work - the ones that do particularly well are… almost ostracized. Not in a jeering sort of way, but rather that the notion of excelling at things is beginning to turn into a foreign concept.

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[quote]brauny96 wrote:
Im sick of the fact that modern culture shits on the fuckin blue collar working man who goes in to the construction site, or puts your fucking power lines up.

My father works as a linesman for a large worldwide company that some of you might know its called DOW and its in mid-MI and the high up fucks who are fucking pussies in there look down on the working man!

I feel sick thinking about this because my father the fuckin blue collar no college education working man is making 10-15 dollars more an hour than they do, and they look down on him. [/quote]

Also QFT. The whole stigma against people that actual do the manual labour is ludicrous - just imagine if they all went on strike one day. Nothing would work. The world would stop spinning. We’re not a very smart species sometimes (most of the time, now that I think on it…)

Again, agreed. I’m fortunate in that my girlfriend has her head on straight, but some of the things that I see around school where the ‘skinny kids with emo pants’ are doing better than “real” men (ie not soaked in estrogen) really makes me wonder.

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[quote]madquarker wrote:
That is what I was also trying to convey, but was too tired to manage it succinctly enough. Strangely enough, I suffer from what you describe - just not trying… but I’m slowly getting over that and actually doing something with my life. I wouldn’t let your friend think she’s successful if giving up was her solution - it would set anyone up for unhappiness further down the line.[/quote]

I never said we were friends. Why waste time trying to convince her to not give up? Besides, she seems happy as she is. Why ruin that?

[quote]The “not trying” thing is more prevalent in young people than I think we all realize. I’m in my second year of engineering, and even there, where most people are reasonably good at school work - the ones that do particularly well are… almost ostracized. Not in a jeering sort of way, but rather that the notion of excelling at things is beginning to turn into a foreign concept.
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If you’re still an undergrad, it gets better in graduate/professional school. As an undergrad, I was always one of the best students in the class. Now, my academic accomplishments are considered average among my peers in professional school since half of my class can do what I can do. Working hard for a future is actually cool once you finally leave the slackers in your dust.

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That much better in grad school? I hope so!

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[quote]elano wrote:
brauny96 wrote:
Im sick of the fact that modern culture shits on the fuckin blue collar working man who goes in to the construction site, or puts your fucking power lines up.

My father works as a linesman for a large worldwide company that some of you might know its called DOW and its in mid-MI and the high up fucks who are fucking pussies in there look down on the working man!

I feel sick thinking about this because my father the fuckin blue collar no college education working man is making 10-15 dollars more an hour than they do, and they look down on him. I also hate the fact that gilrs dig girly men, it seems that many girls would rather date a sinny fuck in emo pants than men with muscles. pathetic

Quoted for truth.[/quote]

I’m gonna x4 this… Interesting story

I’m at one of my clients, in the middle of NYC. 1,500,000 in rent a year for this office (not including CAM, RE taxes, etc), and you can add a zero to that for the distributions going out every year to the top dawgs.

Well I’m in their kitchen using their fancy coffee machine and there are “We are not your mother, clean up after yourselves” and “don’t leave half empty things laying around” signs posted EVERYWHERE.

So I get back home, and go to my construction client the next day. You know, unshaven faces, calling a vendor a fucking cocksucking douchebag is regular practice, and nowhere near as fancy of an office. Not a single sign in the kitchen reminding people to clean up after themselves, and the kitchen was cleaner than the “richer” office.

Not relevant to the “pussified” topic, but relevant to the “blue collar isn’t necessarily worse than white collar.”

Sometimes I think when kids come from money they are ruined to what real life truly is, and end up giant pussies. I see it with the new kids we get. All the rich boys fucking suck and bitch and moan if they work past 8pm. While the kids who worked their way here through loans and grants in state schools will let you strap them in and work them like a mule.

And Linesman make serious fucking money by the way, but work in some serious shitty conditions sometimes.

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if only you guys could see the nonsense that goes on in other bodybuilding forums…

i was lurking today only to find such threads such as “how do i get girls to notice me”, and “how long should i wait to text a girl back”, and the classic…“how do i become more tough”…

the irony of calling it bodybuilding

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[quote]240lbs40vert wrote:
“how do i become more tough?”[/quote]

Thank god for the internet.

I had to get my ass kicked a few times before I figured out what to do.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
eic wrote:
Taking the easy way does not a pussy make. Everything from water to animals favors the path of least resistance. But yes we are over pussified as a society. This is because being stereotypically masculine is taboo, whereas being stereotypically feminine is encouraged. It is a one-way ratchet. I’m not worried, though: An army of women and effeminate men is nothing real men fear.

Maybe they should start fearing it. That same army makes all of the laws and regulations. It sets the standards for society as a whole making it harder and harder every year for guys who do act more masculine than the average mouse sitting behind a desk in a cubicle to simply keep functioning.

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Exactly. I have to watch what I do and say. Granted, I should have the self control and wisdom, but I’m tired of babying everyone.