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It’s comments like this that I relish in the fact that you are not near as smart as you’d like people to think you are. It doesn’t surprise me that you are a consultant. The common phrase in our office is, “Those who Can’t, Consult.”[/quote]
Other than the fact that I don’t care what people think of me, by your own terms, you should be a consultant apparently.
More seriously, in times past the phrase consultant used to mean something, today it doesn’t mean very much anymore.
Anyway, going backwards a bit, why don’t you address my statements, instead of blindly jumping on the bandwagon of someone who makes up their own interpretation of what I had said?
Perhaps you can find some references in law that show the unborn as having been granted the same status as the living? They have no identity, they have no property, they pay no tax, they earn no income, they are merely potential.
Morally, I would suggest that when there is the ability to develop senses, such that pain and suffering are even possible, that we have an obligation to not cause pain and suffering.
Going beyond that is purely religion. You are welcome to your religion, but that is a personal matter for yourself, not for imposition on others.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Going beyond that is purely religion. You are welcome to your religion, but that is a personal matter for yourself, not for imposition on others.[/quote]
Yet another gem from the resident thinker. Honestly - do you have any idea how elitist you sound when you spout bullshit like that? Who are you to decide what is religion and what is not?
Just because you think an unborn child is a mass of cells - a tumor if you will - does not give you the right to label those that disagree with you as religous - as if that is a bad thing…well…I guess for you it is a bad thing.
I swear - you really need to stay out of the deep end until you get over what ever virus it is that has caused this incredible case of the dumbass.
And please - try and do better than “quit being an asshole”.
[quote]Let me make sure I get this straight for clarity’s sake:
Religion is something that happens after morality?
And it is ok to impose one’s morality, but not one’s religion? [/quote]
Thunder,
I am not trying to order anything. I suspect anyone that is not a sociopath would agree that limiting pain and suffering would be appropriate.
However, I also suspect that people of different religions or non-religions would have very different approaches to whether or not the beliefs of another should be imposed upon them.
In short, the faith of yourself or any other wacko (and I am not trying to suggest you have a wacko faith or anything stupid like that - but they exist) has nothing to do with what is right or wrong except to someone that shares your faith.
Religion is not a panacea for making decisions unless you impose one religion on everybody… good luck.
I am not trying to order anything. I suspect anyone that is not a sociopath would agree that limiting pain and suffering would be appropriate.
However, I also suspect that people of different religions or non-religions would have very different approaches to whether or not the beliefs of another should be imposed upon them.
In short, the faith of yourself or any other wacko (and I am not trying to suggest you have a wacko faith or anything stupid like that - but they exist) has nothing to do with what is right or wrong except to someone that shares your faith.
Religion is not a panacea for making decisions unless you impose one religion on everybody… good luck.[/quote]
If a religion were imposed, then the victims have had decision making taken away from them. They must now follow the ‘credo’. Is this what you’re trying to say?
BTW: I have known several Ontario Canadians and I’m amazed how they all were liberals, isolationists, and held the view that Americans are all stupid. Is this how you guys are educated or what?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Yet another gem from the resident thinker. Honestly - do you have any idea how elitist you sound when you spout bullshit like that? Who are you to decide what is religion and what is not? [/quote]
Does my elitism counter your ignorance? Is the universe in balance yet? Is religion not something that is based on faith? I don’t decide what anything is, but I can look in a dictionary and take a guess anyway.
Nice attempt at characterization, by the way.
Well, without relying on religion, tell me what you consider an unborn child. I certainly don’t consider it a tumor (nice try at mischaracterizing that one) at all. Are you convinced that human life doesn’t start as a mass of cells that differentiate as it grows?
Religion isn’t a bad thing, but imposing your FAITH on me might be. Maybe you’d like it better if Islam was imposed on you?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Is this whole place full of knee-jerking dumbasses?[/quote]
My god, what a dumb question.
(And for the benefit of rainman and others who might be really slow on the uptake, the answer to that was “Yes”.)
Life begins when the thought “Man, I’d like to tap that shit.” first enters your mind. After that, failure to score, concieve and deliver, for any reason, is just simply murder.
[quote] vroom wrote:
Does my elitism counter your ignorance? Is the universe in balance yet? Is religion not something that is based on faith? I don’t decide what anything is, but I can look in a dictionary and take a guess anyway.[/quote]
WTF does any of that mean? You didn’t address a single thing other than to call me ignorant. Prove my ignorance. I have kicked your ass all over the place for the last 3 days and you call me ignorant. You can’t even look up what cronyism means, you jackass - how the fuck do you expect me to believe that you can use a dictionary?
It wasn’t an attempt. You are an elitist that thinks religion is tantamount to disagreeing with your stupid opinions. You even said so.
An unborn child is when a human egg and a human sperm coimbine to form a unique organism with equally an unique genetic code. That is when life begins, and that is when the right to choose become the right to kill. It has absolutely nothing to do with faith. Is that clear enough for you?
Name a single damn time religion has been “imposed” on anyone. I’ll wait for you to cite a single incident in your lifetime that will support your bullshit position. You can’t. So spare me the bullshit about religion “imposing” anything on anyone. If the truth be known the courts have “imposed” more shit on us than religion has.
You really need to try harder, vroom. It is getting to be a little tiring owning you so effortlessly.
Rainjack, you are really quite sad. You are so deluded you think you are “kicking my ass” and “owning” me on the boards.
Wow, you the man!
Too bad you can’t even figure out what I’m trying to say.
As for the “right to kill”. When a bunch of cells get together and start dividing it is basically an egg. An egg with potential, but a freaking egg.
I like mine scrambled, how about you? Maybe poached? Over easy? Perhaps with a side of bacon and some toast to get the runny bits?
Life is life. Religion makes it special. However, one thing I’d really like is if this preciousness of life was transferred to the adults on the planet, of all races.
Sadly, it isn’t.
Anyway, at later stages, I’m inclined to agree, the new life passes beyond the egg stage and we start to have to worry about it further. At some point it will develop nerves and a brain.
At that point I begin to care. You can choose to embrace some apparently non-religious kumbaya hokey bullshit about the sanctity of life, but I’m inclined not to believe it.
In the history of the entire planet life has been cheap, it always has been. When you espouse the same strong feelings for the life of all races and all religions, I’ll start to listen to your rants.
Until then, you just keep telling yourself that you are “winning” and “kicking ass” or whatever else it is that makes you proud of yourself. Your comments and mine simply stand on their own for the reader… sorry.
By the way Rainjack “without regard to qualifications” means exactly that, the person could be qualified or not, because the decision is made without regard to qualifications.
In other words, sometimes you get lucky and the appointed crony actually may have qualifications.
So, thanks for the definition, and your misinterpretation of it, you’ve been a big help in these parts. I was going to ignore your inability to read but calling me out for not being able to use a dictionary forced my hand.
[quote]vroom wrote:
By the way Rainjack “without regard to qualifications” means exactly that, the person could be qualified or not, because the decision is made without regard to qualifications.
In other words, sometimes you get lucky and the appointed crony actually may have qualifications.
So, thanks for the definition, and your misinterpretation of it, you’ve been a big help in these parts. I was going to ignore your inability to read but calling me out for not being able to use a dictionary forced my hand.
Sorry.[/quote]
THIS is one weak-assed rationalization for trying to fit crony to this particular case.
You are usually a little better than this!
[quote]vroom wrote:
By the way Rainjack “without regard to qualifications” means exactly that, the person could be qualified or not, because the decision is made without regard to qualifications.
In other words, sometimes you get lucky and the appointed crony actually may have qualifications.
So, thanks for the definition, and your misinterpretation of it, you’ve been a big help in these parts. I was going to ignore your inability to read but calling me out for not being able to use a dictionary forced my hand.
Sorry.[/quote]
Nice try in spinning the definition around. But you do that, don’t you? I’m done with your ignorant ass.
BTW - an egg can’t divide unless it is fertilized - farmers won’t sell fertilized hen eggs. Did you take biology? You put yourself further and further in the margin every time you open you ignorant mouth.
Let’s just agree to think that the other is a total fucking moron, because I am really getting tired of reading your bullshit.
My dictionary, a real one, not something hokey like dictionary.com does not use any qualifiers.
cronyism - favoritism shown to close friends, especially with respect to politics.
Keep on cheerleading![/quote]
That’s right. Disagree with vroom=cheerleading for Bush.
And by the way–you’re the one who used the qualifiers to then say that Bush just happen to get lucky that this one qualifies.
Not my
interpretation-your words.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
THIS is one weak-assed rationalization for trying to fit crony to this particular case.
You are usually a little better than this! [/quote]
No, when vroom is getting his ass whooped by everyone that shows up to the fight, he usually turns into something on the order of a premenstral woman.
This is just par for the course. He’ll get all pissed off soon enough and quit posting for a while, and then the cycle will start all over again. He’s on something like a 26 day cycle.
So we’ll get this same crap again around Halloween.