Part of the issue for me is the CNS. When you take a lift from the hang your muscles already are “loaded” and have that stretch reflex going. However, taking a weight straight off the floor you do not
[quote]shizen wrote:
Um I’m sure reza could hang clean a lot more then 400lbs.
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Surely, but I was only speaking on what I know for sure, what I’ve seen with my eyes. If you know of any links to Reza doing hang cleans in training I’d love to check them out.
Of course the real question is, can Reza hang clean more than he can clean? He can probably even clean more than 580, because I think the jerk is most often the limiting factor in the movement. So maybe an even 600? And so I just doubt he could do 600 from a hang.
[quote]sum1 wrote:
Part of the issue for me is the CNS. When you take a lift from the hang your muscles already are “loaded” and have that stretch reflex going. However, taking a weight straight off the floor you do not[/quote]
What?
[quote]sum1 wrote:
Part of the issue for me is the CNS. When you take a lift from the hang your muscles already are “loaded” and have that stretch reflex going. However, taking a weight straight off the floor you do not[/quote]
i dont know what your talking about but a good first pull utilizes the stretch-shortening cycle of the hamstrings to wind them up and use the stretch reflex… ever notice why most of the elite lifters have a little scream and look of pain during/right before the 2nd pull? It can hurt like hell!!
and note : reza’s coach says he will be the first to total 500 w/ a 225 snatch and 275 jerk. Also, reza probably doesn’t train the hang clean, he is fast enough and technical enough he only really needs to do the lifts and squats.
[quote]romanaz wrote:
i dont know what your talking about but a good first pull utilizes the stretch-shortening cycle of the hamstrings to wind them up and use the stretch reflex… ever notice why most of the elite lifters have a little scream and look of pain during/right before the 2nd pull? It can hurt like hell!![/quote]
This is the third or fourth time I’ve seen someone say this, and I really don’t understand where its coming from. I would say that if your hamstrings are actually in pain during the lift, you are doing something wrong. Its true that you tighten them during your first pull, but I think the grimace you see is just them working hard against heavy weight, not pain or severe discomfort.
I’ve never heard of this scream thing.
You use the short-stretching of the hamstring for a dynamic start if you do one. Hips start higher, go down and catch the bounce and go or they start low, bounce up and down and up and past to lift.
Your hang clean should be more then your Power Clean easily.
Your Hang Clean is higher because your first pull isn’t technically sound. You can’t take the bar off the floor and put it in a GOOD 2ND PULL POSITION. You can do this from the hang. You probably do most of your lifts from the hang right? How many lifts are from the floor compared to the hang on a weekly or monthly basis?
Most athletes are terrible from the floor because they can’t do the first pull correctly. They lean backwards too early, or the bar starts too close to their shins so they have to move the bar forwards STRAIGHT FROM FROM THE FLOOR! Then move the bar back towards your arms. Or they ridiculous arm bend to move the bar. The arms stay straight but you move the bar backwards by pushing the bar back towards you using your shoulders.
You need to do pulls to mid thighs.
Same as the first pull. Keep your shoulders over the bar. Pull the bar back WITH STRAIGHT ARMS and keep your back nice and straight.
Raise your hips and shoulders at roughly the same angle = meaning you use your legs to lift the bar.
If your hips come up too fast your not bracing with your back and letting your shoulders and chest drop = crap position to get a 2nd pull done!
Work on the technique and you will be good from the floor. You will have to drop the weight back down and work on some form.
You 255 @ 169 is rock solid! I’ve done 142Kg @ 84kg.
Koing
That’s a very impressive ATG Squat, esp. for your weight.