[quote]AZMojo wrote:
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Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
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Inanimate objects don’t have intentions.
Why don’t you go over the the Liberty Control thread to discuss this?
Mine,
Yep, typical ol’ Military 9mm (California Legal)…
I trained so much with this thing when I was a Navy Corpsman that I feel it’s the right choice for home protection for me. I know this weapon inside and out and can put it back together in the dark, etc. Sights are what they are, but I can bring this thing up to full sight picture in a split second and do pretty well with it in the offhand as well.
Is it lazy of me not to have a different weapon with perhaps more knock down power? Perhaps, but I think my experience with the weapon provides me a deadly advantage rather than trying to haul a .357 or a 44 up into position to fire accurately.
“Keep the finger clear and off the trigger until ready to fire!!”
GAINER
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
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When was the last time a gun jumped up ran to the window and shot someone?
Remember Archie Bunker’s reply to his daughter’s whining about accidental handgun deaths?
“Would it make you feel any better little girl if they was pushed outta windows?”
People will go on killing people no matter what weapons are available, rock, knife, baseball bat, sword. Knowing this, I choose to keep a firearm at my side. Remember we gun owners understand that our weapons are DEFENSIVE in nature.
Owning a handgun makes you a killer no more than owning a penis makes you a rapist.
Why is it so hard to understand that the good guys (the law-abiding) should at LEAST be evenly matched to the criminals in a confrontation.
My brother’s reply when I cut and pasted some stuff from the anti-gunners in this thread and e-mailed it to him. Please feel free to check out his website below.
D,
Clearly the guy “in red” doesn’t have a single clue what he or she is talking about.
During a radio interview I did about my Web site a couple of years ago, the talk show host made some funny and insulting remark about Rosie O’Donnell. Of course, I laughed as well, but then I continued…
I said that most often, I’ve seen that anti-gun people are decent, caring and well grounded individuals who want to do something about violent crime where guns are used. Unfortunately, they just don’t have a single clue on what they’re talking about.
Mostly, what I’ve been doing with www.SaveTheGuns.com is to fully inform the ignorant. Of course, sometimes I’ve encountered anti-gunners who are simply assholes and there’s no better way to describe them…
Oh well, see you soon,
Marcus
[quote]derek wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
When was the last time a gun jumped up ran to the window and shot someone?
Remember Archie Bunker’s reply to his daughter’s whining about accidental handgun deaths?
“Would it make you feel any better little girl if they was pushed outta windows?”
People will go on killing people no matter what weapons are available, rock, knife, baseball bat, sword. Knowing this, I choose to keep a firearm at my side. Remember we gun owners understand that our weapons are DEFENSIVE in nature.
Owning a handgun makes you a killer no more than owning a penis makes you a rapist.
Why is it so hard to understand that the good guys (the law-abiding) should at LEAST be evenly matched to the criminals in a confrontation.
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guys really, c’mon and let’s get real.
the argument that having a handgun increases probability of gun-related death is perfectly valid. i mean just think about it. if you were to spend one day with your favorite piece in a room alone with any or all of these characters: rosie o’donnell, jared,lightpower,danny bonaduce,muscleteen, ashley simpson, or georgemontyiv, and one day in the room with them but without your piece, honestly in which instance do you think a gun-related death is more likely to occur ? and dont’ give me some crap like " well your study would never even get to the second day so it’s not valid…" .
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
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And the last time I checked, handguns never intentionally killed anyone, either.
Handguns are just as inanimate of objects as bathtubs, automobiles or Big Macs, and therefore just as incapable of acting of their own volition.
I believe you are suffering from hoplophobia, a psychosis characterized by an irrational fear of weaponry, specifically manifesting itself in the delusion that weapons are capable of voluntary action and are thus responsible for the consequences of that action.
I suggest you either see a psychiatrist, or else take your comments over to the Liberty Control thread where they belong.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
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Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
Inanimate objects don’t have intentions.
Why don’t you go over the the Liberty Control thread to discuss this?[/quote]
Shit! You beat me to it, Zap. And using far fewer words!
Cheers!
[quote]derek wrote:
Owning a handgun makes you a killer no more than owning a penis makes you a rapist.
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Or than owning a severed penis makes you Lorena Bobbitt!
Nice quote, derek.
What about holsters? I have a drop down rig on my thigh from my Marine Corps days, but that’s not going to work for concealed carry, lol.
What’s comfitable, easy/quick to draw from, etc.
Maybe a leather one molded to a particular gun.
[quote]CEZAR wrote:
What about holsters?
What’s comfitable, easy/quick to draw from, etc.
Maybe a leather one molded to a particular gun.[/quote]
I’m partial to Mitch Rosen’s holsters. He has high quality products and his shop is close. All of his holsters are hand made and custom fit so that the holster is indented into the ejection port, front of the trigger guard, and firmly into the rear of the trigger guard. The precise fitting (boning) ensures that the weapon is held securely.
I also recommend some dressing on the inside of the holster (Leather Lightening) to help break a new holster in and speed up the draw. It won’t compromise the retention characteristics of the holster.
[quote]protectURnutz wrote:
JD430 wrote:
The S&W monsters like the .500 and the XVR are probably more appropriate for hunting. I have shot the .500 and its power is insane.
I have a .500 S&W. Absolutely amazing power, the recoil is suprisingly tame though, thanks to the grip.
There don’t seem to be many Glock fans here. I shoot a model 23 .40 S&W and love it.[/quote]
40 cal. only way to go.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but last I checked, slippery bathtubs, autmobiles, or Big Macs never INTENTIONALLY killed anyone.
And the last time I checked, handguns never intentionally killed anyone, either.
Handguns are just as inanimate of objects as bathtubs, automobiles or Big Macs, and therefore just as incapable of acting of their own volition.
I believe you are suffering from hoplophobia, a psychosis characterized by an irrational fear of weaponry, specifically manifesting itself in the delusion that weapons are capable of voluntary action and are thus responsible for the consequences of that action.
I suggest you either see a psychiatrist, or else take your comments over to the Liberty Control thread where they belong.
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Look who learned a new word!
I was simply replying to Rainjack’s post, ON THIS THREAD, thank you. Equating a handgun to a slippery bathtub is a retarded comparison, don’t you think?
I’d bet cash that nobody has EVER said “Give me your money or I’ll make you stand in that slippery bathtub over there!”.
Oh, and I love how like five people have jumped on me about this post, yet NOBODY has answered my question from the post IMMEDIATELY following it.
I guess you’re all blinded by your hoplophobicphobia.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
CEZAR wrote:
What about holsters?
What’s comfitable, easy/quick to draw from, etc.
Maybe a leather one molded to a particular gun.
I’m partial to Mitch Rosen’s holsters. He has high quality products and his shop is close. All of his holsters are hand made and custom fit so that the holster is indented into the ejection port, front of the trigger guard, and firmly into the rear of the trigger guard. The precise fitting (boning) ensures that the weapon is held securely.
I also recommend some dressing on the inside of the holster (Leather Lightening) to help break a new holster in and speed up the draw. It won’t compromise the retention characteristics of the holster.
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I always carried inside the waist band and thought it was the only way to go. Tried carrying on the belt with a custom holster…loved it. A little more work to conceal but a big improvement in comfort. I like Rosen’s stuff. Have seen a lot of good reports on his holsters.
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Look who learned a new word![/quote]
Glad I could help.[quote]
I was simply replying to Rainjack’s post, ON THIS THREAD, thank you. Equating a handgun to a slippery bathtub is a retarded comparison, don’t you think? [/quote]
Not nearly as retarded as implying that handguns are themselves capable of murder.
You just said it, so you’d lose that bet.
Sorry. We were all so amused by your previous post that the following one just drowned in a sea of mirth.
I have never used a Desert Eagle in .410. However, I have used .45 automatic “snake loads”, which are cartridges containing birdshot under a plastic roundnose cap. Lethal at close range, but won’t put any holes in the wall.
[quote]I guess you’re all blinded by your hoplophobicphobia.
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Now that one I hadn’t heard. What would that be, “a pathological fear of one who has an pathological fear of weapons”?
No, I have no fear of hoplophobes whatsoever.
[quote]lucaspd52 wrote:
40 cal. only way to go.[/quote]
Why do you say that? I would be interested to hear your argument. We have actually been mulling switching our duty guns from .45 cal to .40 cal, a move I staunchly oppose. While some tout the variety of .40 cal ammunition, I see it as not being able to find what works.
There is a good reason 230 grain .45 ACP has been the king of the handgun heap for so long, but I would definitely like to hear some thoughts on the pro-.40 cal side.
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
I like the idea of using Desert Eagle’s BFR in .410 caliber for a home defense handgun(obviously too much to carry though). You can get 2 1/2" rounds loaded with 00 buck(it’s like 4 bullets in one:)). Recoil might be a problem though, even in a four pound pistol.[/quote]
Further to my previous post, a company in Florida called MagSafe makes frangible ammo that is an updated version of the “snake loads” I mentioned. It is basically a shotgun shell for handguns, firing #2 and #3 lead shot. Available for practically any handgun.
Cheers.
V
I personally would LOVE it if every able-bodied person who could legally own a firearm was allowed to carry 24/7.
There’d be a lot less crime. Statistics have proved this to be true wherever it’s tried… look it up.
I did a study for the Plymouth County Sheriffs Dept. that included overlays of areas of the highest gun CONTROL (ie; places ya can’t git you one) and areas of the highest rate of crimes with a firearm. Can you guess the results? Perfect match!
The same study of the reverse? Same result. Highest per capita handgun ownership and lowest gun related crime… perfect match.
You think coincidence?
Question… If you knew the guy in the next car or next house or walking down the street was likely carrying a gun, would you F with him? NOPE!
And the temperment question… Now THAT is a stupid question. Does taking a drivers test change your temperment? Outlaw motor vehicles. THEN you could reduce senseless crime, accidents etc.
Oh, wait. You probably use a car to get around safely. My bad.
I actually have a full magazine loaded with Black Talons in 9mm. Remember them?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
I like the idea of using Desert Eagle’s BFR in .410 caliber for a home defense handgun(obviously too much to carry though). You can get 2 1/2" rounds loaded with 00 buck(it’s like 4 bullets in one:)). Recoil might be a problem though, even in a four pound pistol.
Further to my previous post, a company in Florida called MagSafe makes frangible ammo that is an updated version of the “snake loads” I mentioned. It is basically a shotgun shell for handguns, firing #2 and #3 lead shot. Available for practically any handgun.
Cheers.
V[/quote]
Not bad, thanks for the considered reply. They sound like the old Glaser safety slugs, but if I remeber those didn’t feed well in autopistols. Something in a .357 or .44 revolver would be a lot cheaper than the $1000 they want for the BFR.
Just something about that .410 load I like though. Pretty good all around, you know? Buckshot for home defense, bird shot for “the other stuff”.
The rest of my political views on the subject have been moved to the “Other” thread(were they belong)
Yeah, just read it, and it’s a doosie. Thanks. Guess I’ll go put on my Whacked-out Paranoid Gun Nut hat and compose a reply. 
Cheers.
V