Hallowed: Jackin Yo T!

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

I haven’t increased them on bench because I haven’t progressed! I’ve had some like total failures too. It’s been rough :/[/quote]

Dude, as long as you are getting the required reps, you are good to go. You aren’t forcing your body to adapt with heavier weights…if you bump it up, you will eventually be crushing your old weights and reps! Don’t try to make the program more complicated–the beauty of it, aside from the effectiveness, is the simplicity…simple equation: Did you get required reps? If yes, add weight. If no, reset training max. Easy.

Basically, exactly what the other guy said just without the heavy singles…Your first week is 3’s, second week is 5’s, third week is still 5-3-1, fourth is still deload…In the 3 and 531 weeks, rep out the last set and go for PR’s (as per usual). In the 5’s week, stop at 5 reps (or maybe one or two extra if you are feeling like a bad ass that day). Deload is deload.

This means your wave loading is like: hard, medium, hard, easy…its good if you are getting beat up and allows you to take a mini-break in the middle of your cycle to stay fresh for the hard weeks.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

I haven’t increased them on bench because I haven’t progressed! I’ve had some like total failures too. It’s been rough :/[/quote]

Dude, as long as you are getting the required reps, you are good to go. You aren’t forcing your body to adapt with heavier weights…if you bump it up, you will eventually be crushing your old weights and reps! Don’t try to make the program more complicated–the beauty of it, aside from the effectiveness, is the simplicity…simple equation: Did you get required reps? If yes, add weight. If no, reset training max. Easy.

Basically, exactly what the other guy said just without the heavy singles…Your first week is 3’s, second week is 5’s, third week is still 5-3-1, fourth is still deload…In the 3 and 531 weeks, rep out the last set and go for PR’s (as per usual). In the 5’s week, stop at 5 reps (or maybe one or two extra if you are feeling like a bad ass that day). Deload is deload.

This means your wave loading is like: hard, medium, hard, easy…its good if you are getting beat up and allows you to take a mini-break in the middle of your cycle to stay fresh for the hard weeks.
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Ok hot it! Thank you for taking the time to feed me like a little baby bird. I will do this. I just ran my 5 week on squat but I’ll switch everything else. Thanks!,um and I got my x3 on 5-3-1 week so I will add 5 lbs to bench max too.

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HAHAHHA!!

Favorite MEME of the day!!

I thought you might enjoy this re-enactment of my first day of Teximentary School.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

I haven’t increased them on bench because I haven’t progressed! I’ve had some like total failures too. It’s been rough :/[/quote]

Dude, as long as you are getting the required reps, you are good to go. You aren’t forcing your body to adapt with heavier weights…if you bump it up, you will eventually be crushing your old weights and reps! Don’t try to make the program more complicated–the beauty of it, aside from the effectiveness, is the simplicity…simple equation: Did you get required reps? If yes, add weight. If no, reset training max. Easy.

Basically, exactly what the other guy said just without the heavy singles…Your first week is 3’s, second week is 5’s, third week is still 5-3-1, fourth is still deload…In the 3 and 531 weeks, rep out the last set and go for PR’s (as per usual). In the 5’s week, stop at 5 reps (or maybe one or two extra if you are feeling like a bad ass that day). Deload is deload.

This means your wave loading is like: hard, medium, hard, easy…its good if you are getting beat up and allows you to take a mini-break in the middle of your cycle to stay fresh for the hard weeks.
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Ok hot it! Thank you for taking the time to feed me like a little baby bird. I will do this. I just ran my 5 week on squat but I’ll switch everything else. Thanks!,um and I got my x3 on 5-3-1 week so I will add 5 lbs to bench max too.
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OOOOO-EEEEEMMMMMM-GGGGGGGGEEEEEE!!! It’s sooo cute!!!


Hallies!

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
Sorry to hear :frowning:
Can’t win em all…

so you did 2 days of doubles
and 4 days single session cardio? Cardio AM/lifting PM? Or cardio after weights?

Was it all steady state/machine based?? Any intervals?

Can’t wait to hear more! Reeeaally don’t want to crash diet…

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Yeah there’s just been so many major things going down that have taken tons of emotional energy. Plus I really should have taken a cardio day after PR DL day.

IT LOOKED LIKE THIS:
1 AM TRAINING PM HIIT
2 PM SS CARDIO
3 AM TRAINING
4 PM SS CARDIO
5 AM TRAINING PM HIIT
6 TRAINING (SATURDAY LOL)
7 OFF
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20 questions incoming!! :slight_smile:

From the time you started taking your meds and getting into the gym, about how long did it take you to lose the bulk of your weight?

Did you use that schedule from the start?

Do you think it would have mattered if you did your intervals directly AFTER training?

What did you do for HIIT and did you build up to it?

What did you do for SS and did you build up to it?

Did your schedule stay the same the whole time?

Did you eat the same as you lost weight? Free meals or refeeds??

Thanks!!! About the only thing I’m not doing is the doubles…but it would be more efficient for me to just do them before/after training. Do you think there is a difference?

ooh and I hope you get your training stuff figured out…once you do you will take off again!

Regarding the not so good bench day…

  1. Like frozenkilt said. Maintaining is the name of the game when you’re dieting. You matched your previous numbers and it was still over your required reps. You may not be happy with it, but it wasn’t a fail.

I honestly don’t know how you have ANY good workouts with your calories as low as they’ve been. I dunno how all the thyroid stuff works, but do you feel that having a doc that wants to make you the best damn Hallowed you can be helps? I don’t really like the idea of comparing “sick but well medicated” to “normal”. It kind of seems like cheating is implied, or like it suggests that people that are being treated for one condition or another can’t be considered normal, and I don’t really like either of those ideas…But as I follow you, read about MiM’s struggles, and then look at my own diet experience, it seems that although it still really just comes down to hard work, our bodies do respond differently to things sometimes. I guess my question is that do you feel like dieting is different for you or do you have different expectations given your circumstances?

  1. Another thing to consider with the bench is why are you failing? Is there a specific body part that needs to be stronger? Has your other upper body work gone up lately or has it stalled too? Maybe its time to switch up the accessory work?

I have all the same questions the ladies above me have, but also a funny I stole off the interwebz to contribute.

yay, good talks!

[quote]Patch2 wrote:
I have all the same questions the ladies above me have, but also a funny I stole off the interwebz to contribute. [/quote]

lol
the pic provided.

Hi Hal
Missing the last avi already. :frowning:

Re the bench: I agree with everyone about looking at possible weak links and the diet, but honestly, as long as it is just 1 workout I am inclined to just chalk it up to ‘it happens.’

[quote]TheTexican wrote:
I thought you might enjoy this re-enactment of my first day of Teximentary School.[/quote]

Bahahaha! Lil Texican!

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

I haven’t increased them on bench because I haven’t progressed! I’ve had some like total failures too. It’s been rough :/[/quote]

Dude, as long as you are getting the required reps, you are good to go. You aren’t forcing your body to adapt with heavier weights…if you bump it up, you will eventually be crushing your old weights and reps! Don’t try to make the program more complicated–the beauty of it, aside from the effectiveness, is the simplicity…simple equation: Did you get required reps? If yes, add weight. If no, reset training max. Easy.

Basically, exactly what the other guy said just without the heavy singles…Your first week is 3’s, second week is 5’s, third week is still 5-3-1, fourth is still deload…In the 3 and 531 weeks, rep out the last set and go for PR’s (as per usual). In the 5’s week, stop at 5 reps (or maybe one or two extra if you are feeling like a bad ass that day). Deload is deload.

This means your wave loading is like: hard, medium, hard, easy…its good if you are getting beat up and allows you to take a mini-break in the middle of your cycle to stay fresh for the hard weeks.
[/quote]

Ok hot it! Thank you for taking the time to feed me like a little baby bird. I will do this. I just ran my 5 week on squat but I’ll switch everything else. Thanks!,um and I got my x3 on 5-3-1 week so I will add 5 lbs to bench max too.
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OOOOO-EEEEEMMMMMM-GGGGGGGGEEEEEE!!! It’s sooo cute!!![/quote]

We strive for the highest levels of Squeeeworthy cuteness here at Hallowed Incorporated

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Patch2 wrote:
I have all the same questions the ladies above me have, but also a funny I stole off the interwebz to contribute. [/quote]

lol
the pic provided.

Hi Hal
Missing the last avi already. :frowning:
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I know I feel bad! I have too many avi bets going… or bad timing on the bench thing. Dang maybe I can split you guys up every other day LOL? Its an avi hurricane!

[quote]minimaltechno wrote:
Hallies![/quote]

Hey Girl Hey! Gonna make it over to your neck of the woods today and check up onya.

[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:

20 questions incoming!! :slight_smile: Thanks!!! About the only thing I’m not doing is the doubles…but it would be more efficient for me to just do them before/after training. Do you think there is a difference?
[/quote]

From the time you started taking your meds and getting into the gym, about how long did it take you to lose the bulk of your weight? I will copy and paste some info from a log on my prior coach’s website.

Did you use that schedule from the start? No. I started on my own with Body for Life which is three cardio three lifting. I believe my first coach schedule was four lifting three cardio… we switched it up a few times the schedule I posted up thread was the most intense.

Do you think it would have mattered if you did your intervals directly AFTER training? IDK. I personally suspect I would not want to do intervals after training just because I want to protect my gains. Steady State after training is more common and even then I always would intake whey protein after lifting and before cardio.

What did you do for HIIT and did you build up to it? I used the treadmill run/walk or the upright bike sprint/relaxed. My early sessions were easier and eventually they increased. I also used HILL intervals.

What did you do for SS and did you build up to it? I always used the stairmill (deathmill) moving staircase. IDK why but coach always said no eliptical no recumant bike. My early sessions SS were 25-30 minutes. At some point this was increased to 30-45. Eventually when I was on my own no coach I would do 60 minutes on the deathmill. Yes SRS. this was like three miles IIRC

Did your schedule stay the same the whole time? NO

Did you eat the same as you lost weight? Free meals or refeeds?? 1500 cals 100-120g of carbs per day lots of lean protein small amount of fruit for the bulk of my weight loss. Some healthy fats. Basically how I eat now but every single meal was weighed on a food scale. One free meal per week and I was supposed to not be an asshole about it.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Regarding the not so good bench day…

  1. Like frozenkilt said. Maintaining is the name of the game when you’re dieting. You matched your previous numbers and it was still over your required reps. You may not be happy with it, but it wasn’t a fail.

I honestly don’t know how you have ANY good workouts with your calories as low as they’ve been. I dunno how all the thyroid stuff works, but do you feel that having a doc that wants to make you the best damn Hallowed you can be helps? I don’t really like the idea of comparing “sick but well medicated” to “normal”. It kind of seems like cheating is implied, or like it suggests that people that are being treated for one condition or another can’t be considered normal, and I don’t really like either of those ideas…But as I follow you, read about MiM’s struggles, and then look at my own diet experience, it seems that although it still really just comes down to hard work, our bodies do respond differently to things sometimes. I guess my question is that do you feel like dieting is different for you or do you have different expectations given your circumstances?

  1. Another thing to consider with the bench is why are you failing? Is there a specific body part that needs to be stronger? Has your other upper body work gone up lately or has it stalled too? Maybe its time to switch up the accessory work?[/quote]

I don’t think my calories are that low reallY! I just started this stupid cut. I have a “healthy”/“normal” metabolism that responds to exercise and decreased calories by shedding bodyfat WHEN MY T3 is close to optimized. If my FreeT3 number is halfway up range on the lab results or above halfway I can lose weight. If it isn’t I basically can’t/dont. So best case scenario is well regulated and optimally treated thyroid disease. I’m not there now and I haven’t been for quite some time> I WILL get back there though and am hoping to be at least halfway up range for my April Visit.

maybe time to switch accessory work yes. MY OHP and lat pulldowns are improving for sure. Accessory work on bench day… inching up in improvements very very slowly.

[quote]Patch2 wrote:
I have all the same questions the ladies above me have, but also a funny I stole off the interwebz to contribute. [/quote]

YES! Fawking love it.
<3 U~!

[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
Re the bench: I agree with everyone about looking at possible weak links and the diet, but honestly, as long as it is just 1 workout I am inclined to just chalk it up to ‘it happens.’[/quote]

I have had a woeful journey with BB Bench. I was just telling some dude yesterday that I suspect I really just don’t know how to do it. I know that I squat, OHP and DL correctly but I have not put in the same amount of time watching videos/learning how to BB bench. Anyone have any recommendations for me? I am “self taught” in that I have never had a training partner and have “learned” how to lift from the internet and on my own in the weight room.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
I have had a woeful journey with BB Bench. I was just telling some dude yesterday that I suspect I really just don’t know how to do it. I know that I squat, OHP and DL correctly but I have not put in the same amount of time watching videos/learning how to BB bench. Anyone have any recommendations for me? I am “self taught” in that I have never had a training partner and have “learned” how to lift from the internet and on my own in the weight room.[/quote]

EliteFTS

That’s the first in the series.

Edit

2Busy beat me to it. Watch Tates videos, I’m still more of a DB bench dude because my shoulders are effed up but these videos make sense (to me).

Post bench videos.


BACKGROUND INFO - VERY VERY EYE GLAZINGLY LONG

So the problem is IDK when I started getting really fat. I just don’t know.

I got sober March 2, 2007 at thirty years old. During the first six months of my sobriety I ate WHATEVER and HOWEVERMUCH I wanted and slept CONSTANTLY. I was not SLIM by any stretch when I got sober I was definately fat. I just don’t know HOW FAT. In early sobriety my weight ballooned at an alarming rate (though I wasn’t truly alarmed I just wanted to not drink) until I awoke September 2007 at over 260LBS.

I went onto a very drastic diet alternating between stillmans and the Atkins Fat Fast. Both are very low calorie very low carb Ways of Eating. Stillmans is high protein, the Fat Fast is High Fat. I lost weight this way for several months. Realizing that WOE was unhealthy I transitioned onto Traditional Atkins with which I had only moderate success. Finally hitting a complete wall/stall about a year in. I then switched to JUDD (Dr. Johnsons Up Day Down Day Diet) on which I would eat less than five hundred calories one day and then eat higher calories the next day (1800-2000) oh yeah and I did this low carb.

I was also finally finally finally diagnosed as Hypothyroid in October of 2008, thanks to the help of another online support community. With my thyroid hormone replacement and my extreme WOE I managed to get down to 188 by June 2009.

This was through DIET ONLY with absolutely NO EXERCISE.

AT this point began my HEINOUS HEINOUS PROBLEMS!!! (EVEN WORSE than when I first discovered my hypothyroidism). Its the oldest story in the book but the Endo that was treating my Hypo was basically a moron. A nice moron, but a moron nonetheless. Many Endos go with what they learned in medical school 20 years ago and what they hear from the drug company reps. She clearly hadn’t picked up a medical journal in recent decades. But I digress.

Due to improper testing and improper treatment protocols she began drastically cutting my medication/hormones. My ability to function completely crashed and I began steadilly gaining weight. I was so completely exhausted that Winter and Spring (09-10) that it was all I could do to make it to work every day. I would sleep on my office floor on my lunch break. I would sleep in my car before I drove home ten miles from work. I can’t really explain how badly I felt.

I would not wish that period of misery on ANYONE. I am not exaggerating in that I was almost the walking dead. Oh yeah and TONS of my hair fell out (WAY WORSE even than the before picture I posted where it is just thin at the crown).

By the time I found my wonderful new doctor (Dr. Chris Camilleri @ Holtorf Medical in Foster City, CA) AND HAD my first appointment with him 4/07/2010 my weight was up to 218 (thats right I gained thirty pounds in eight months while eating an average of less than 1200 calories per day). Dr. C properly tested me and diagnosed me with ReverseT3 syndrom (Wilson’s Syndrome).

He began me right away on proper treatment protocol and about six weeks later the will to live returned! During that first visit Dr. C looked at me and said “you will feel better in six weeks” Um, ok? Well that is EXACLTY what happened. In fact I began to feel so incredible that I wanted to start exercising. I looked around for an exercise program and a WOE to support it.

Enter BFL. I began my first Body for Life Challenge 5/31/2010 at 209LBS. (please note that is EXACTLY six weeks after my first visit to Holtorf exactly as my doctor promised) I transitioned off my low carb WOE onto BFL Style (40/20/20/1650cals per day/ONEFREEdayperweek). I followed the WOE and workouts to a T. Halfway through challenge (end of week six) I weighed 207. So, FEELING GREAT but only lost two pounds in six weeks while following the Body for Life Way of Etaing described above and the Body for life lifting program which is three days progressive ramping to failure lifting and 3 days cardio (HIIT). So I felt great but the scale was not responding (this is for you Betty).

END Of Challenge (end of week 12) 8/23/2010 I was down to 203. So five pounds in twelve weeks. It was frustrating yes but I also couldn’t believe how much better I felt and that I was able to LIFT and RUN and DO STUFF. I was going to keep going even if I only lost five pounds every twelve weeks forever. It was better than nothing and it was WAY BETTER than the out of control unstoppable gaining I had been experiencing.

BY NOW I AM TOTALLY Dedicated to weight lifting and have a completely NEW ideal body in mind I began to look around for a program to try next. I sensed that Body for Life is geared towards beginners and was convinced I could make even faster/better progress with a new program.

At this point I have been dieting for three years. various ways of eating and debilitating thyroid problems plagued my journey. I’d experienced a thirty pound weight gain while trying to lose. I was tired people. TIRED. I was sick and tired of being the GENERAL in this weight loss battle. I wanted to be a SOLDIER.

Enter Erik Ledin of Lean Bodies Consulting. I had known about Erik for quite sometime and was ecstatic to discover how reasonable his rates are. We began corresponding near the end of my Body for Life challenge and agreed that I would take a diet and lifting break for several weeks and be ready to go full force after that.

I started with Erik’s program 09/15/2010 hovering right around 200LBS. By this time my thyroid levels were greatly improved and my FREE T3 was up to about halfway of range (STILL NOT OPTIMIZED. OPTIMIZED is the TOP 2/3 - 3/4 of LAB RANGE I have actually NEVER achieved OPTIMIZED).

I do not have all of my Erik Results but I know that I could lose up to 5LBS every two weeks with him. I know that I was down to 159 by April 2011 so about forty pounds in seven months. I THINK I stayed with Erik until around Mid June 2011. By then the scale was down to 147LBS. (I recorded various weights on Fitday which is the only way I know any of this). So I ended up losing over fifty pounds with Lean Bodies Consulting.

I was well entrenched in posting on TNation by then though not logging due to Confidentiality Agreements with my coach. On my own I dieted and lifted and cardiod my way down to 137LBS sometime I THINK around Mid September 2011. Thats when I started “bulking” and started running 5 3 1. I think that catches us up. PIC is at 137 lowest scale weight.

Thanks to Bodybuildingbabe for posting her story. Makes it easier to share mine.

And since the pics got thrown out for whatever god forsaken reason I guess its best to post my story with them too.

‘The secret that has led you to your goal, is that your strength lies in your tenacity.’

BTW- Pic is fap-O-matic.