Because he is a racist troll
I am of course ignorant to this because I work in healthcare with nearly all women though I did once read about women being asked to do such tasks. I do not remember reading about them being looked upon as cold, nor can I relate to caring about such a sentiment in response to boundaries being set unless this perception can actually be proven to hinder advancement or pay.
I have worked with some women, one of them a nursing director and another an administrator, and plenty of others whose personalities were for the dogs, making $100k to 200k, possibly more, with excellent benefits and perks. One was not only cold, but would pound her fist on desks, scream, point her finger, ask people, “Are you dumb?!,” make the L sign (for loser) with her fingers behind interviewees’ backs, and pressure employees to lie and falsify documentation. Another would also look at people as if she was going to beat them, scream, and run morning meetings like a tyrant.
I also remember a few female employees many years ago say, verbatim, “I know I can be a bitch,” which I believe is meant for intimidation.
What happened to such “cold” people? Oh, nothing but good.
Again, these are just my experiences and I’m ignorant to what goes on elsewhere, even though women are graduating college more than men and out earning them in major cities.
I’m also ignorant on China, the place that brought more people out of poverty quicker than any other place has done. Maybe I’m wrong on that too. (Not allowed to say anything good about China, so it seems.) What exactly is worse there? Do they ask women to fetch hot beverages and orient employees even more there?
The corporate world rewards psychopathy.
Look into the rate of personalities present within employees as they climb up the corporate ladder. The higher up you go, the more likely it is that you are a psychopath, narcissist etc.
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China is incredible for sure.
sexism. including but not limited to sexual harrassment, verbally belittling female employees, not letting them contribute ideas. Its a pretty open “secret” in academia that many female PhD students are expected to “do favours” for advisors.
There of course, are extremely successful females, but they are outliers and their success is very much not representative of the majority.
Most Chinese men are also “old school” in that they do not contribute in the household. However, because of “liberation”, women are also expected to work. It’s a bad combo
There was actually a lot of progress made during the communist revolution/Mao era, BUT 1) some of this can be attributed to poverty 2) there have been steps backwards since “opening up” (not to say that opening up was bad)
Women Hold Up Half the Sky is a great book on gender dynamics in China
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Yes, I’m aware, although as I said, I don’t work in the corporate world and neither did such people.
I was explaining how in my n=1 experience I haven’t seen being cold hurt any woman.
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Agreed
Being cold HELPS in the corporate world
This world rewards bad people. Good things overwhelmingly tend to happen to bad people
Tell me i’m wrong… (anyone?)
I’d love to be proven wrong here.
I’ve seen plenty of good things go to good people, but I don’t have some balance sheet on how much good goes to good versus bad people.
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Is it really that black and white though?
Define a bad person
Thanks for the info.
Your posts, along with the sentiment of some women in the US, appear to be incongruent to me. You’re doing well, right? From the looks of it, you are going to have more than the average US man has, yet you are stating there are still unjust sexual dynamics at play. I consider this interesting: some US women grieving over such matters when they have all sorts of avenues, efforts, and support for their material gains. Women in the Anglosphere have been the most protected and comforted demographic in human history yet some are still grieving. I have a high school classmate who now makes 100s of 1000s per year who was on a YouTube channel and said, regarding sexual dynamics in professions, “Things are starting to get better,” not that they are good. So it appears to me such women don’t just want some goodies, they want it all! Being an executive earning a high salary isn’t enough. Somehow even such a circumstance, male sexism is somehow stifling their potential, even when it can’t be proven. Only when there is total parity with male corporate heavyweights or total female ownership will the matter be settled.
Can you or anyone else explain this?
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This is not a fair comparison. I also don’t come from an average family and didn’t go to an average school. Even if I were of average intellect (not a genius, but I’m above average), I’d likely end up with quite a bit more than average putting in just a modicum of effort from parental support/resources alone
It’s like saying, “americans are so tall”, and using an NBA player as the example
Also, just because things are better in the anglosphere compared to elsewhere does not make them good. For example, my maternal grandparents were doing “better than everyone else” in the area. Well… they were still objectively poor, living in a one room house. “wealthy” meant having running water.
I’m not saying that women are being oppressed. I’m just saying that there are improvements that can/should be made. Some people do take it too far, but I don’t think there shouldn’t be more progress.
That is my stance.
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To be fair Bro me and my Fiance have been racially insulted 3 times once ending with me having to fight a group of white guys. The ambient level of racism at least in Europe is fucking depressing. If I was black id probably be angry.
Men are mostly assigned tasks in the office like moving furniture, replacing the 5 gallon water jug, helping employees jump start their car, putting new things together, etc. So, should men do all those tasks and all the one’s generally assigned to women too? Because we can draw out of a hat, but many of those tasks I know many women wouldn’t even physically be capable of doing in my offices.
I see what you are saying and I don’t think women are incapable, but it seems many women want all the perks and none of the responsibility.
For instance, I help with washing dishes, cooking, bathing kids, I clean the bathrooms (my wife says I piss all over the toilet and floor - which is fair) and washing laundry (some I don’t mind washing - but I detest folding and putting away from my childhood). But, I do ALL the stuff in the yard if it needs doing outside of our yard service, I do all the car maintenance, all of the house maintenance, filter changes - etc.
And I don’t begrudge it. It is a partnership and we both contribute. If you get stuck on things that are typically assigned to women as an issue in itself - you are going to have a miserable existence.
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I think I have a touch of this, if I am being honest.
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If you were angry because of that, would you continue to communicate and associate with people you don’t like?
No offense, but isn’t it kind of goofy to think angry people think and act logically?
I am the go to lift or move heavy shit guy at my office. I like my role.
One of the things I struggle with is that my wife doesn’t seem to acknowledge things like car repair or yard work as work. I do basically all the project type things around the house, and they aren’t all “upgrade” stuff. Some of it is very necessary and can’t be put off. I think the issue is she thinks I enjoy these things, and therefor doesn’t count it as “work”. I do a good portion of the cleaning, laundry, and dishes, but less than her. Those are the things she counts as work. I often find myself scratching my head thinking of ways for her to acknowledge the stuff I do as work, and that although I do get some enjoyment out of getting her car fixed (or whatever), it isn’t what I’d choose to do with my time if I didn’t have to.
Depends on the angry person. Some people are still calculating individuals when angry.
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This is where you tell her directly. Honesty and straight forward communication is key in my opinion.
Because yes changing or rotating tires, changing oil (I do this myself mostly because I don’t trust the idiots at dealerships or elsewhere), cabin filters, etc. is so much fun for anyone… lol.
We had trees down covering our driveway recently. Do I expect her to go out and start up the chainsaw and get chains and cut up and move the tree? Fuck no.
Do I expect her to go start up the big diesel generator and fuel it up when we lose power? Fuck no.
Do I expect her to make sure all the cameras are working, doors are locked, alarm armed, every night before bed? Fuck no.
Would I expect her to go check noises or check for intruders or anyone outside when alarms go off? Fuck no.
I feel like there are MANY things expected of men and I am fine with that. I signed up for this role and it is my duty as a man. I don’t understand why some women feel doing certain things they can do is degrading or somehow lower.
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Good points. And I think this notion that every task required for people to get along and function with each other should even be thought about and tallied is odd. I have access to the kitchen at my job. What am I gonna do? Every time someone says, “Hey, when you’re down there, can you get me some coffee/tea/a salad/yogurt/fruit?”, tally the time, and then propose I be paid more and given acclaim for being nice? “Hey B, can you help me move this?” “Yes, sure. That will be ten dollars for my time though.”
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Exactly, I have always just done it and moved on. I have never once thought, “why are they asking me to do this as a man? How sexist!”
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Thats not how it works. Its 50% from the start of the marriage if the woman has any claim to it. No idea why men think a woman can just take half their shit lol.