Half: Divorce and Alimony

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
btm62 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Frank Burns said it best, “I’ll kill her before I divorce her.”

Wood chipper!

Harhar, that’s funny. No, it’s not.

I’d much rather go to prison for life than lose half of my money. Yep, that makes sense.

There needs to be some element of truth in order for a joke to be funny. Nonsense is all I saw.

Really, go reread some of your posts. I’m sure in your case she will probably kill your annoying ass first.

yeaaaahhhhh CLaw can be abrasive but I think he may be voicing the thoughts of a lot of men.

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From reading his posts, it looks like he contradicts and comes up with an opposing viewpoint just to masturbate his ego. I agree with your statement about some of his writings being an indication of how men think in general however.

I have full custody of both my children, the legal system is still a joke…and women for the most part are evil. :slight_smile: (Oh, okay just some women.)

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
But the Courts aren’t determining what constitutes cheating, as I think you know??? Some folks have an open marriage but what if one wants a change? Is flirting cheating? Are you going to legislate whether cheating is only intercourse or are you going to include oral or what about aural sex, or text sex?

And, heaven forbid, what if someone lies and says their spouse cheated? Folks lie about conduct during a disso.

I dunno… this is what makes marriage so unique.

Courts do take cases as a case by case basis.
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Excellent point. My buddy’s fiancee is currently raking him over the fucking coals because he admitted to having 3 lapdances on his bachelor party. She thinks this is cheating, and he’s such a pussy-whipped shell of his former self that now HE thinks it’s cheating, too. So now he isn’t speaking to me since I pretty much orchestrated the whole thing. It’s funny that I didn’t hear any complaints while I was feeding $20’s to the dancers.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Rockscar wrote:

AFTER TAXES…Pretty much she now gets a free 50k paycheck for cheating and leaving her husband and taking the house. California is wonderful! I gave up the House for the 401K.

In California, the only right you have is to bend over as a man…if you make the money.

Isn’t cheating a violation of the marriage contract?
Is there some evidence of cheating you can present?

There is no way you should have to bend over and take it up the tailpipe! If she broke the contract, then, she’s off the team, with a penalty.

Most states allow no-fault divorces now, so traditional fault grounds for divorce are no longer applicable.
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They are still applicable as a reason for divorce. In many states there is:

  1. No fault, uncontested
  2. No fault, contested
  3. Fault, uncontested
  4. Fault, contested.

The most expensive divorce is the kind where a spouse that has not committed grounds for divorce (infidelity, cruelty, incarceration, habitual drunk, abuse, abandonment) does not want a divorce and contests whether the marriage is irretreivably broken. Then it is up to the court to decide whether the marriage can be saved. Typically, if the marriage wasn’t irretreivably broken at the beginning of the proceeding, it will be at the end.

As far as division of assets, the typical standard is not half, but rather an equitable division. Half is the starting point.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:


Does this dress make me look fat???
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Every woman that knows me would never ask me that question.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:


Does this dress make me look fat???

Every woman that knows me would never ask me that question.[/quote]

let me guess… “no… the fat makes you look fat”

is that your response???

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The Mage wrote:

Does this dress make me look fat???

Every woman that knows me would never ask me that question.

OctoberGirl wrote:

let me guess… “no… the fat makes you look fat”

is that your response???

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That actually sounds nicer somehow than:

“No, it’s your ass that makes you look fat.”

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
The Mage wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:


Does this dress make me look fat???

Every woman that knows me would never ask me that question.

let me guess… “no… the fat makes you look fat”

is that your response???

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Better responses:

“Yes.”

“What dress?!”

“No…your ass is doing a good enough job all by itself.”

“Does this thong make my **** look big? Then we’re even.”

and

“Don’t blame the dress.”

“Was that the look you were going for?”

“Well it is a moo moo”

[quote]Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The Mage wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:


Does this dress make me look fat???

Every woman that knows me would never ask me that question.

let me guess… “no… the fat makes you look fat”

is that your response???

Better responses:

“Yes.”

“What dress?!”

“No…your ass is doing a good enough job all by itself.”

“Does this thong make my **** look big? Then we’re even.”

and

“Don’t blame the dress.”

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DON’T BLAME THE DRESS!!!

okay… that one I hadn’t heard before.

I really hope I will never ask that question again in my lifetime.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
“Was that the look you were going for?”

“Well it is a moo moo”
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I like the careful “Was that the look you were going for?”

ooohhh the cautionary man

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
It isn’t just the man paying, it is a division of the marital assets. Assets that were acquired during the length of the marriage. A marriage of long duration is more than 10-years and in that case the lower wage earning spouse (man or woman) is most likely entitled to alimony.

We worked on a case where the woman was a real estate agent and making 2.5mil a year. The husband was a house husband who was an aspiring writer. Never wrote anything. At the 11th year anniversary he had her served with papers by his boyfriend. The wife thought they had just been really good friends.

He was a savvy fella and had played her.

Things happen and Courts don’t want to legislate love. Marriages are unique. People can fall out of love and you can’t quantify the reason, the depth or the validity of that happening.

Regarding alimony, typically men do STILL make more money for the same job. I do hope you all realize that.

Also typically, the brunt of the housework and child rearing lands on the wife. Women usually work and then come home and do housework and take care of the kids moreso than the husband. It just is, just works out that way.

There is also legislature out there that is taking into account divorced spouses living with new significant others in order to continue to receive support. The Courts aren’t stupid and are aware of those situations.

There is no such thing as an amicable divorce.[/quote]

I’m guessing from the above that you are an attorney. Correct?

[quote]bob1365 wrote:
I’m guessing from the above that you are an attorney. Correct?
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Paralegal. Scroll up a bit, it’s there.

Any of you younger members contemplating marriage should definitely read the following books before making your commitment:

  1. The Female Brain, by Dr. Louann Brizendine, M.D.
  2. The Secret Psychology of How We Fall in Love, by Dr. Paul Dobransky, M.D.
  3. Man Magnet, by Romy Miller

If you read these books before you get hitched, you will know how to evaluate a potential mate, and know how she’s evaluating you. You will also know if your relationship has the required number of “legs” to survive the trials and travails of marriage. (When men are younger, we tend to think with our penises, rather than our heads. Not a good idea.)

Now let’s say that you don’t read these books before you get married. There is a great likelihood that at some point in your marriage your wife is going to ask you to read these, or similar tomes, due to “relationship issues.”

And if you’re like most guys, you’re going to ignore her and toss the books aside, “cuz there’s nothing wrong with our relationship or marriage.”

That being the case, the next opportunity you will have to read these books is after you’ve been served divorce papers, have finalized property settlements and other matters, and are now divorced and on your own.

At this point, you will realize how stupid you were to have gotten married without knowing anything about women to begin with. Sort of like joining the army and being thrown into the pitched battle of war without any basic or advanced infantry training, with no squad or platoon leaders, maps or even weapons for that matter. You get the idea. Same thing with marriage.

The good part is that after gaining this kind of knowledge, you will be better prepared to make a better decision the next time around, and you will be able to provide some marital wisdom and instruction to your kids, if you had any.

Now I’m sure that a number of guys on this forum that have been married and divorced can attest to the fact that their wives accused them of saying things—verbatim and 12 years prior to service of papers—that the guys didn’t even remember saying. How can this be? Well, in your reading, you will discover that women have four times the brain communication channels that men have.

So they will remember everything that you will have ever said to them that they found insulting, condescending or patronizing at the time. You will think that they had a stenographer present, but that is not the case. Because of all these communication channels, women need to be in constant communication with other women; it’s an evolutionarily hard-wired thing.(Think cell phones in the gym and everywhere else; or why they must always go to the ladies room in caravans.)

You will also discover why your woman will tend to “stray” during that time of the month when she’s ovulating; this means, quite frankly, that she looking for a discreet quickie with a guy who may be more androgenic looking than you are. (See The Female Brain, Chapter 4. Yes, I know, how awful. But don’t shoot the messenger.)

But I digress. In addition to strong common physical attraction, look for common values about morals, money and children; common interests, someone who challenges you spiritually and is your intellectual match.

You also need to learn how to talk to a woman’s emotional brain, rather than her logical brain, because she’s operating on emotion 70% of time anyway. Conversely, make sure she can talk to your logical and analytical brain at least 85% of the time, because that’s where your operating.

It’s been my experience that it’s also wise to do mutual credit checks on each other, and to check for any family history of mental disorders before tying the knot. And has been said above, it’s highly advisable not to be unequally yoked.

If you’re college educated, she should be too. She should have earning capacity equal to or greater than yours. (Better yet, she should insist that YOU sign a pre-nup! This way, you’ll never have to worry about alimony or poor house property settlements.)

Parting Advice? Beautiful women are a dime a dozen—it’s their shopping sprees and divorce attorneys that are expensive.

P.S. I LOVE women, and would get married again in a heartbeat…but this time I would do it right.