H1N1 Question for Thibs

[Lonnie123]

[quote]Seattle_Lifter wrote:
According to CBS News if you went to the doctor in the last 3 months and the doctor said you likely had swine flu there’s a 98% chance you didn’t have swine flu.

Only July 24th the CDC stopped testing for Swine flu. Now if you present with flu like symptoms the CDC assumes you have swine flu and counts you as another to their fake tally.

There seems to be a lot of deception going on here. Here’s a link to the CBS News Story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Look at the chart. Of those that presented with flu like symptoms before July 24th only about 2% really had the swine flu. Now the CDC seems to be exagerating by a 50:1 ratio.[/quote]

This is quite a claim, that the CDC is saying 100% of people with flu like symptoms have swine flu.

I work in an Emergency Room, and we test everybody that comes in with flu like symptoms for both the regular and H1N1 flu. The results of that test go to the CDC for tracking positive or not for H1N1. We do not just assume you have swine flu and report it that way.

[DieselAllDay]

[quote]Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
evo2008 wrote:
I’ll retort the question and ask, for your kids sake should you avoid the vaccine!

I’d tend to agree with this. Especially since the swine flu seems to actually be less deadly than the regular flu.

I don’t really get the freakin’ problem, the winter flu kills about 500,000 persons every year.

I wasn’t sold on the vaccin either but i’m reconsidering. My girlfriend works in an Intensive care Department. Vaccines for the staff aren’t out yet and the doctors are scared shitless…that alone concerns me.

From what I gather the big thing is when you get it, you have one in two chances, may be one in three to make it through…because they have vaccine but no treatments…nothing that works. most of the cases here in montreal that have been diagnosed with the new strain are on respirator or closely monitored for cardiac complications. and those that died did in 2-3 days…so whats scary about it is how fast it all spins out of control. last cases I know of were a healthy athlete in his 20’s and a 13 y/o kid.

My girl is begging me for me to take the shot. So I dunno anymore. Probably will.
[/quote]

if people are dying in 2-3 days, why is all the suggestions from the government, and from my university specifically, if you get sick, to not leave you’re house nor even see a doctor? Are they saying if you get the swine flu, ur condemned dead?, and if its normal you’ll just get better by yourself? somethings fucky

[MEYMZ]

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
evo2008 wrote:
I’ll retort the question and ask, for your kids sake should you avoid the vaccine!

I’d tend to agree with this. Especially since the swine flu seems to actually be less deadly than the regular flu.

I don’t really get the freakin’ problem, the winter flu kills about 500,000 persons every year.

you sure that’s figure is accurate, I thought it was a bit lower
[/quote]

I’m pretty sure I got it from a legit source but I couldn’t find it again, it’s in all the world, and if you count Africa… well you know.

[Bill_Roberts]

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Seattle_Lifter wrote:
According to CBS News if you went to the doctor in the last 3 months and the doctor said you likely had swine flu there’s a 98% chance you didn’t have swine flu.

Only July 24th the CDC stopped testing for Swine flu. Now if you present with flu like symptoms the CDC assumes you have swine flu and counts you as another to their fake tally.

There seems to be a lot of deception going on here. Here’s a link to the CBS News Story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Look at the chart. Of those that presented with flu like symptoms before July 24th only about 2% really had the swine flu. Now the CDC seems to be exagerating by a 50:1 ratio.

This is quite a claim, that the CDC is saying 100% of people with flu like symptoms have swine flu.

I work in an Emergency Room, and we test everybody that comes in with flu like symptoms for both the regular and H1N1 flu. The results of that test go to the CDC for tracking positive or not for H1N1. We do not just assume you have swine flu and report it that way.

[/quote]

Are you aware that the current swine flu is by no means the only sort of H1N1 flu? I ask, because most seem not to be. Which is no wonder given the way that the media, the government, and doctors present information on it.

H1N1 flus have long been quite common. A person who has had several flus has more than likely had one or more H1N1 flus already.

Being H1N1 does not of itself make a flu the current swine flu.

[Marther]

[quote]stevo_ wrote:
Thibs, I have a question regarding wormhole physics, your a pretty awesome dude and i’m guessing you’ve probably traveled to a number of different planets, could you recommend a particular space suit and is there any worlds/ aliens i should be particularly concerned about?

Seriously guys.

CT a very good trainer. He’s not a doctor, astrophysicist or god.

please tell me some of you guys have someone else you can turn to for some of this stuff.

[/quote]

LOL. Well said. What a ridiculous thread.

[dmaddox]

I went to a pandemic planning seminar that was conducted by a PhD that works with the CDC. The main issue is that this flu seems to be going after younger individuals betweent he ages of 5 and 25. You should see the graph of the people who are getting sick. After age 25 the rate just drops down to almost zero. The older you get the less likely you are to get it. The death rate is the same as the seasonal flu, but the swine flu is getting more people sick than the seasonal flu.

The other issue is that two people get different symptoms. This PhD has two children, one got all the normal symptoms, and the other just got a runny nose. This is the main reason they stopped testing. This is a viral infection so there really is no cure. You have to treat the symptoms and let it run it course. The H1N1 vaccine is an active virus, so you could get really sick just taking the vaccine. If you are in school most doctors would recommend.

[dmaddox]

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Seattle_Lifter wrote:
According to CBS News if you went to the doctor in the last 3 months and the doctor said you likely had swine flu there’s a 98% chance you didn’t have swine flu.

Only July 24th the CDC stopped testing for Swine flu. Now if you present with flu like symptoms the CDC assumes you have swine flu and counts you as another to their fake tally.

There seems to be a lot of deception going on here. Here’s a link to the CBS News Story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Look at the chart. Of those that presented with flu like symptoms before July 24th only about 2% really had the swine flu. Now the CDC seems to be exagerating by a 50:1 ratio.

This is quite a claim, that the CDC is saying 100% of people with flu like symptoms have swine flu.

I work in an Emergency Room, and we test everybody that comes in with flu like symptoms for both the regular and H1N1 flu. The results of that test go to the CDC for tracking positive or not for H1N1. We do not just assume you have swine flu and report it that way.

Are you aware that the current swine flu is by no means the only sort of H1N1 flu? I ask, because most seem not to be. Which is no wonder given the way that the media, the government, and doctors present information on it.

H1N1 flus have long been quite common. A person who has had several flus has more than likely had one or more H1N1 flus already.

Being H1N1 does not of itself make a flu the current swine flu.[/quote]

I have to disagree on this one. H1N1 is the designation of this type of flu and only this type of flue, but there are 3 different strains of the the seasonal flu, that everyone knows about. The researchers guess which strain is going to come out the next year and make a vaccine. They dont know if the vaccine worked until the end of the season.

[Bill_Roberts]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Seattle_Lifter wrote:
According to CBS News if you went to the doctor in the last 3 months and the doctor said you likely had swine flu there’s a 98% chance you didn’t have swine flu.

Only July 24th the CDC stopped testing for Swine flu. Now if you present with flu like symptoms the CDC assumes you have swine flu and counts you as another to their fake tally.

There seems to be a lot of deception going on here. Here’s a link to the CBS News Story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Look at the chart. Of those that presented with flu like symptoms before July 24th only about 2% really had the swine flu. Now the CDC seems to be exagerating by a 50:1 ratio.

This is quite a claim, that the CDC is saying 100% of people with flu like symptoms have swine flu.

I work in an Emergency Room, and we test everybody that comes in with flu like symptoms for both the regular and H1N1 flu. The results of that test go to the CDC for tracking positive or not for H1N1. We do not just assume you have swine flu and report it that way.

Are you aware that the current swine flu is by no means the only sort of H1N1 flu? I ask, because most seem not to be. Which is no wonder given the way that the media, the government, and doctors present information on it.

H1N1 flus have long been quite common. A person who has had several flus has more than likely had one or more H1N1 flus already.

Being H1N1 does not of itself make a flu the current swine flu.

I have to disagree on this one. H1N1 is the designation of this type of flu and only this type of flue, but there are 3 different strains of the the seasonal flu, that everyone knows about. The researchers guess which strain is going to come out the next year and make a vaccine. They dont know if the vaccine worked until the end of the season.[/quote]

Well, I can present you with the fact of the matter, as I have above: it is up to you as to whether to learn from it or to stick with incorrect belief on what is a matter of fact, not opinion.

I don’t have a suggested resource for you beyond my own providing of the information, which you choose to deny: this (categorization of influenza viruses) is simply one of the many things one picks up in the course of any extensive study of microbiology. It would likely be no more trouble for you to search out some Internet-accessible source to inform you of this fact of influenza virus categorization, rather than simply assuming me wrong, than it would be for me to do that for you.

And in any case it seems as far as you are concerned, you know already anyhow.

[ds1973]

Yeah looks like H1N1 is common designator for “Influenze A Virus”. H1N1/09 is this years swine flu.

Influenza A virus subtype H1N1

This is interesting. My wife was talking to a woman at a school function who works in a facility right around here that makes flu vaccine. She said that this years seasonal flu vaccine “had a component of swine flu in it”. I don’t have any data, but my kids got the seasonal flu shot early, I got it a little later and my wife got it the latest. We can’t confirm we have had swine flu, but we’ve all been sick with my wife having it the worst (bad cough with crap in her lungs).

My daughters school has been at about 25 % absense rate for a week and a half and she has not missed a day. She’s 7 and in 2nd grade.

My son is 4 and in preschool part time. He had a bit of a cough, but nothing really bad.

[HelmetMJC]

i got mine last week and im still alive. if your middle aged i dont think its necessary. unless you have a chronic disease or youre malnutriotioned or immunodifficient. so if you have chronic pulmonary issues like COPD, asthma, or DM, heart, or kidner disease etc. that being said. if you take Vitamin D, eat healthy, exercise, eat enough protein and zinc, and get enough sleep you should be fine. but if you’re on this site you should be doing all of those already

[DieSucka]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
The H1N1 vaccine is an active virus,[/quote]

Not necessarily. Look up the terms attenuated vs. inactivated. I’m pretty sure the one that was approved in Canada was a vaccine that contains inactivated particles.

[Nicky_Boy28]

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
evo2008 wrote:
I’ll retort the question and ask, for your kids sake should you avoid the vaccine!

I’d tend to agree with this. Especially since the swine flu seems to actually be less deadly than the regular flu.

I don’t really get the freakin’ problem, the winter flu kills about 500,000 persons every year.

I wasn’t sold on the vaccin either but i’m reconsidering. My girlfriend works in an Intensive care Department. Vaccines for the staff aren’t out yet and the doctors are scared shitless…that alone concerns me.

From what I gather the big thing is when you get it, you have one in two chances, may be one in three to make it through…because they have vaccine but no treatments…nothing that works. most of the cases here in montreal that have been diagnosed with the new strain are on respirator or closely monitored for cardiac complications. and those that died did in 2-3 days…so whats scary about it is how fast it all spins out of control. last cases I know of were a healthy athlete in his 20’s and a 13 y/o kid.

My girl is begging me for me to take the shot. So I dunno anymore. Probably will.

if people are dying in 2-3 days, why is all the suggestions from the government, and from my university specifically, if you get sick, to not leave you’re house nor even see a doctor? Are they saying if you get the swine flu, ur condemned dead?, and if its normal you’ll just get better by yourself? somethings fucky
[/quote]

Well actually i’ve talked with a Doc I train explained to me that it’s not that your doomed if you get it. You’re mostly fucked though if you get complications, because the only treatment they have is tamiflu, which could compare to giving you some gatorade if you’re sick. Other than a placebo effet, not much.

The reason they ask people to stay home if they have h1n1 is if they don’t show signs of complications, then you’re mostlikely gonna be fine. The numbers I think are 1 in9 or 1 in 10 that will develop complications

[cywren]

[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
evo2008 wrote:
I’ll retort the question and ask, for your kids sake should you avoid the vaccine!

I’d tend to agree with this. Especially since the swine flu seems to actually be less deadly than the regular flu.

I don’t really get the freakin’ problem, the winter flu kills about 500,000 persons every year.[/quote]

The estimated number of deaths per year is 36,000. It is suspected that the number where there was no other underlying cause is lower than that. Nothing is officially tracked death for death.

The issue is this one kills more of the young and healthy than the seasonal flu does.

[dmaddox]

[quote]DieSucka wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
The H1N1 vaccine is an active virus,

Not necessarily. Look up the terms attenuated vs. inactivated. I’m pretty sure the one that was approved in Canada was a vaccine that contains inactivated particles.

[/quote]

I went back and did some research and you are correct. I dont know much about Canada, but here in the US the injected vaccine is not active, but the nasal one they are rolling out this year is active. My wife, Lung Transplant RN, told me and my daughter about the nasal vaccine being an active virus, so when my daughter got her vaccine she asked for the injection and not the nasal inhaler.