With the Nolva at 40mg/d until you get the Aromasin and then the aromasin at proper dosage for the amount of AAS you are using (someone else may chime in on that) should put you back to where you were before your cycle. That is with a small lump that wasn’t painful or getting worse. Swelling at the side of the pec should abate too.
Some like to use cabergoline to keep prolactin under control when using deca. You should be ok at your fairly low dose. As Brook said you must first get aromatase under control. Prolactin aggravates existing elevated estrogen sides. It can cause you to start producing milk if not nipped at the bud.
Dynamo,
Actually for the last 2 days ( thats when I noticed the swelling) i bumped my Nolva from 20mg-40mg, In betwenn ‘MY’ posts yesterday i went and got some aromasin, he had Adex but said Aromasin was better but he didnt have Letro, Aromasin cost a fortune .LOL.
So i had already had 40mg of Nolva yest and then i took 25mg of Aromasin as soon as i got it, ( so ive already started using Aromo. Plus today ( wednesday) I just took my 25mg Aromasin and 20mg Nolva i thought id do the Nolva for ONE MORE DAY until the Arom kicks in,
Im due my Deca/test jab " TODAY " should i hang off a few days until the AI kicks in? or should I be good to go?
Also i dont think i can get any Dostenix here,)unless i order some. Anything else i could use, I should i not worry being that the deca will never go over 200mg.
Im only running deca/test for 5 weeks then changing to Primo & winny i should be fine with bothe those compounds is that right?
If your sex drive is decent once you have the Oestrogen under control, i wouldn’t worry about Cabergoline or Bromocriptine (dopamine agonists).
Aromasin is just fine… and you can easily run 20mg Tamoxifen and 25mg Aromasin together - IMPE i would go ahead with the jab, and go from there - if you are really scared, and weary about continuing - then drop the AAS. No biggie - you could wait a couple of months and runa cycle with aromasin/adex from the start and run 200mg deca and 500mg test…
As for the previous adex dose of 0.25mg/day, i would have said that it would most certaintly have been too low - i react to gyno similar (a little less these days) to you, and i’d use 0.5mg ED with that cycle.
I only mention it so you can then use the comparative aromasin dose to 0.5mg adex - (IIRC it is around 25mg/day… may be wrong…)
So you know - being sensitive to gyno/estrogen is not an issue with the use of AI’s - with AI’s i easily run a gram or two of aromatisable/estren based steroids.
Brook thanks mate, so let me repeat this to make sure im right LOL.
Carry on with HGH,deca/test,im also running,t3 & clen, and from yesterday i added 25mg/d of aromasin, i was going to drop the Nolva? should i keep that in or not?
By taking Armoasin 25mg/day should the lump calm itself? Also how long is the “norm” before it starts to calm? I imagine thats quite individual but thought id ask?
Hmm… well, the GH, T3 and Clen wont be causing the issue - i am not sure if i agree with your use of the drugs, seeing as your knowledge dictates you need to ask beginner questions here - but that’s not why you are here…
As for continuing the Test and Deca - they ARE the cause of the issue - along with your sensitivity in the breast to Estrogen, and/or your affinity to produce Aromatase in the presence of Testosterone.
However, if you drop them or keep them in is your call - i said you can keep them in simply because there is nothing wrong with running those drugs with an AI if susceptible to gyno - as most men will be (only a minority don’t get gyno from exogenous test).
However, if your only concern is to get the gyno controlled as soon as possible, then you would do better to drop the cause of the issue too.
And yes, i would run the Tamoxifen for a couple of weeks to make sure the aromasin is at full blood concentration.
You should know that T3 is one of the most potent fat loss/metabolic drugs currently available - and it alone will assist in building a body that can drop to 3% bf… so why exactly you feel the need to add the Clenbuterol is beyond me. Of course the effect is more - but the doses need to be reduced of each accordingly too or you can end up with issues.
There is a friend of mine who has metabolic problems and chronic fatigue from his use of T3 - and he knows a bit more than you too.
There is the issue of a lower thyroid output during exo-GH use - but exo use of T3 is not a necessity, and it is a potentially dangerous and damaging drug. T3 when used incorrectly can ruin one’s physique for good.
I hope you did your research - although you clearly didn’t for the very basic issue of aromatase control - not to mention the fact you are running the most basic and novice of AAS stacks, yet have decided to add much more advanced drugs like GH and T3…
Question. I did a methly test booster almost 3 years ago and developed gyno. It only seems to be fat tissue though. Before anyone screams diet, I am already at 9-11% BF. What are suggestions for getting rid of the puffy-ness?
I tried jumping on NovedexXT for three weeks (1 pill first week, 2 pills second week, 1 pill third week) No change occured and stopping they got puffier but seem to be going down slightly. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of this?
Thanks for any help.
I heard (seen) the pros use preparation H to tighten up nipples (this is no joke).
But seriously if you feel you have developed gyno then perhaps you can get your
hands on some real AI. That includes nolvadex, arimidex,exemestane, and letrozole.
If the peoblem is just fatty there are topical products to burn off the fat.
They
may be geared towards women, but they work. A cream with yohimbine and salysilic
acid really seems to work on those “problem areas”.
Another “old fashioned” stack is to combine nolva with proviron. The info from
a few years back would say this would result in almost complete suppression
of circulating estrogen. These 2 are a cheap alternative to Letro. However letro
and arimidex are becoming alot cheaper with the new UG’s coming out.
Have a great Summer everyone.
thats a great response! thank you.
where do i get the prodcuts recommended and then how would i take them? Im assuming they dont come with instructions. I was considering seeing my doc again about they issue, are these things he can perscribe? whats the best/safest way to go about this?
Thanks
[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
I heard (seen) the pros use preparation H to tighten up nipples (this is no joke).
But seriously if you feel you have developed gyno then perhaps you can get your
hands on some real AI. That includes nolvadex, arimidex,exemestane, and letrozole.
If the peoblem is just fatty there are topical products to burn off the fat.
They
may be geared towards women, but they work. A cream with yohimbine and salysilic
acid really seems to work on those “problem areas”.
Another “old fashioned” stack is to combine nolva with proviron. The info from
a few years back would say this would result in almost complete suppression
of circulating estrogen. These 2 are a cheap alternative to Letro. However letro
and arimidex are becoming alot cheaper with the new UG’s coming out.
Have a great Summer everyone.[/quote]
You are basically completely wrong with some of the information in this post.
Nolvadex is NOT an AI.
Spot reduction of fat is not possible
Nolvadex + Proviron will NOT result in ‘almost complete’ suppression of estrogen.
Nolvadex and Proviron together is more expensive than letrozole from almost every place I have ever seen. Not to mention the fact that Proviron is an illicit drug and letrozole can be accquired legally.
We’d have a better summer if you put some more thought into your posts before hitting ‘submit’
[quote]Wjjones wrote:
Even better post!!..but upsetting. BONEZ217 do you have any helpful advise? thanks for expelling myths by the way. Any other solutions out there?[/quote]
Have you read this entire thread?
I’m fairly certain there is a protocol laid out for reducing the size of gyno after it has set in with the use of letrozole. If not, do a search with keywords such as ‘preexisting gyno’ ‘letrozole for gyno reduction’. Stuff like that.
And please do a lot more research before putting any more drugs in your body. It is clear, based on your reaction to my post and the post before mine, that you are blindly accepting advice. I’m pretty sure I am right with the info I presented, but how do YOU know I am right? It is in your best interest to at least have a base of knowledge so you can tell good info from sub-par info.
I appreciate the help and sound advise. It would be more than extremely foolish to just start buying and taking things, which is of course why i spent most of the day looking into different claims and prodcuts, dosages, and such. It would be like “taking candy from a stranger” if I didnt do my own homework with cation and skeptisim first. I was just excited by the long list of options and possibilities of getting rid of this “problem.” there is also a certian amount of sarcasm in my posts as well. Everything is going to be checked by my doctor anyways before a single purchase is made.
I asked about the fat gyno because it seemed a lot of the postings were about the kind in which the mass develops under the nipple. I wanted to make sure that letrozole and other products work for both kinds. Like I said, I appreciate all the help.
Thank you
So you know, Wjj, a GP/PCP will not tell you that Letrozole, Arimidex, Aromasin, Tamoxifen or Clomid should be used for Gno - they will likely tell you thery are aggressive breast cancer drugs and tell you surgery is the only option…
I have gyno that is set in, and i use letro, and on cycle it is much larger than off - BUT it is still there… and no drug ‘removes’ it.
Here’s a question I was wondering about that I will ask here.
Has anyone ever heard of bench pressing or working chest in general
agravating or causing gyno?
I have a pretty good, and long relationship with my doctor so he is very aware and straight forward with me on a lot of things (been my doctor since is was in my teens).
So my convo will be interesting. I talked to him a while ago about it and I believe it was post some kind of T booster and he said give it 6 months and we will see what happened.
Talked about surgery but thats it. But I have the fat kind, no mass under the nipple so in my mind it works a little differently as far as getting rid of it. The search options that bonez threw out came up with some really interesting results, so thank you for that. I hadnt thought about entering those exact words in to the search options on google but came across a lot of interesting info.
I have a bit of recently (10 days ago) developed gyno. I have arimidex, nolva, and proviron. I ordered letro and should be here in a couple weeks. I have enough of the aromatase inhibitor to last me until the letro gets here taken at .5 mg per day.
I plan to for sure take the arimidex (and have been for a few days). I’m also going to take the nolva. Should I take the proviron?
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I have a bit of recently (10 days ago) developed gyno. I have arimidex, nolva, and proviron. I ordered letro and should be here in a couple weeks. I have enough of the aromatase inhibitor to last me until the letro gets here taken at .5 mg per day.
I plan to for sure take the arimidex (and have been for a few days). I’m also going to take the nolva. Should I take the proviron?[/quote]
No. Leave the Proviron alone.
Nolvadex at 60mg+ for a few days should stop the gyno from advancing.
The adex will be the long term solution.
Letro shouldn’t be necessary if the adex is doing its job, but it’s ok to have for future use or if you think the adex is not dosed properly.
Taper off the SERM as soon as the gyno is under control, assuming you are dosing the AI.
Anyone know of any reason why i have a mild gyno? I’ve always had it, but never been on any kind of juice. It’s annoying and i cant take any drugs to get rid of it due to constant drug tests. Any tip for a natural way of getting rid of it?
