I’m in the 4th week of a Test E/Tren E/Mast E cycle dosed 150/700/700 per week.
Last year I ran my first cycle, which was Test E @ 500mg/week without any type of estrogen control on cycle. My nips got puffy and itchy but no gyno ever developed so I figured I wasn’t prone.
Whenever I’m on cycle I check my nipples for lumps constantly out of paranoia. I was doing that last night and I thought I felt a tiny, firm ball under one of my nipples. It was very tiny and I wasn’t convinced it was anything to worry about. Well, this morning I know for certain it is gyno. It is still very tiny, but definitely more noticeable and hard.
Bill has me convinced that legit Tren has no significant progesterone activity, so either my Tren is cut with something else that might be causing the gyno, or for some reason my estrogen is high enough to cause problems. Seems strange with such a low dose of Test but I suppose it is possible. The other day I did take about 35mg of Dianabol a single time, but I doubt that could have done it.
I haven’t been running an AI on this cycle since my Test is so low and Mast offers a small amount of gyno protection on top of that. After experiencing the awful side effects of driving estrogen too low, I surely didn’t want to risk doing that again.
What steps should I take next to minimize/eliminate the lump?
I don’t have any caber or bromo, instead I have been taking 2.5mg of Selegiline based on BBB’s recommendation (which I hope I interpreted correctly). I also just took 0.75mg of Letro and 40mg of Nolva.
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
I’m in the 4th week of a Test E/Tren E/Mast E cycle dosed 150/700/700 per week.
Last year I ran my first cycle, which was Test E @ 500mg/week without any type of estrogen control on cycle. My nips got puffy and itchy but no gyno ever developed so I figured I wasn’t prone.
Whenever I’m on cycle I check my nipples for lumps constantly out of paranoia. I was doing that last night and I thought I felt a tiny, firm ball under one of my nipples. It was very tiny and I wasn’t convinced it was anything to worry about. Well, this morning I know for certain it is gyno. It is still very tiny, but definitely more noticeable and hard.
Bill has me convinced that legit Tren has no significant progesterone activity, so either my Tren is cut with something else that might be causing the gyno, or for some reason my estrogen is high enough to cause problems. Seems strange with such a low dose of Test but I suppose it is possible. The other day I did take about 35mg of Dianabol a single time, but I doubt that could have done it.
I haven’t been running an AI on this cycle since my Test is so low and Mast offers a small amount of gyno protection on top of that. After experiencing the awful side effects of driving estrogen too low, I surely didn’t want to risk doing that again.
What steps should I take next to minimize/eliminate the lump?
I don’t have any caber or bromo, instead I have been taking 2.5mg of Selegiline based on BBB’s recommendation (which I hope I interpreted correctly). I also just took 0.75mg of Letro and 40mg of Nolva.[/quote]
That really blows. If it is estrogen induced gyno, then treatment with Letro will reverse it, as long as you caught it early enough.
I’m thinking it’s possible that the gyno actually developed on my first cycle last year where I didn’t implement any sort of estrogen control. Back then I wasn’t as educated or paranoid about gyno, and I wouldn’t have noticed such a tiny lump like I did this time and I could have had a small lump that shrunk back down to an insignificant size during/post PCT.
If that was the case I’m guessing it could have been possible that even the low dose of Test I am running was enough to bring it back.
Once gyno “activates” you can reduce it via estrogen control but outside of surgery rarely will even the imfamous letro treatment be permanently effective. It will always be a case of management, which is at least do-able
[quote]saps wrote:
Once gyno “activates” you can reduce it via estrogen control but outside of surgery rarely will even the imfamous letro treatment be permanently effective. It will always be a case of management, which is at least do-able[/quote]
Yeah, this is how I understood it as well. Once you have it, it might be possible to minimize it to the point that it isn’t noticeable, but it is still there lurking. As long as I can keep it about the size it is now I am fine with that. It’s very tiny, ball-point pen tip tiny. But I know it’s there and it definitely wasn’t there until a few days ago at most.
[quote]saps wrote:
Once gyno “activates” you can reduce it via estrogen control but outside of surgery rarely will even the imfamous letro treatment be permanently effective. It will always be a case of management, which is at least do-able[/quote]
Yeah, this is how I understood it as well. Once you have it, it might be possible to minimize it to the point that it isn’t noticeable, but it is still there lurking. As long as I can keep it about the size it is now I am fine with that. It’s very tiny, ball-point pen tip tiny. But I know it’s there and it definitely wasn’t there until a few days ago at most.[/quote]
Keep in mind though, that as Saps said. The tissue doesn’t disappear. It just gets tiny as stated. It’s still there though, and can be aggravated easily.
[quote]JoeyD20 wrote:
Keep in mind though, that as Saps said. The tissue doesn’t disappear. It just gets tiny as stated. It’s still there though, and can be aggravated easily.[/quote]
[quote]jMill2 wrote:
Yeah, this is how I understood it as well. Once you have it, it might be possible to minimize it to the point that it isn’t noticeable, but it is still there lurking. As long as I can keep it about the size it is now I am fine with that. It’s very tiny, ball-point pen tip tiny. But I know it’s there and it definitely wasn’t there until a few days ago at most.[/quote]
Most gyno cases should be self limiting with the use of an AI while on, or by being off cyle. I’d personally run some letro and not worry about it. Once you have the glands, they’re there for good, but you can control the flare ups which are likely to occur from here on out. Basically you have two choices…suck it up and try to control the flare ups, or get surgery if the condition is beyond that point.