Gwyneth Paltrow Has Osteopenia

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I actually had a black guy ask me the other night if my boyfriend was white or black. I said, “White. Why do you ask?” (although I had a sneaking suspicion) He said, “Because you have a body that belongs in a hip hop video and I don’t see how a white guy could appreciate all of that…”

(which in my boyfriend’s case is actually s little true… his girlfriend before me was 5’7" 105 lbs… yes, that is 5 foot 7 inches and one hundred and FIVE lbs! YIKES! He said he didn’t even KNOW he was an ASS MAN until we started dating! haha)

But seriously… these days I get positive comments ALL THE TIME on my body and my frame (which at 5’10.5" and 165-170 lbs I would think I would only attract a certain segment of the population) but I get positive comments from tall guys, short guys, skinny guys, ESPECIALLY muscular/fit guys, old guys, young guys, white guys, black guys, Hispanics, Asian men, preppy guys, frat guys, thugged out guys, etc…

Yes I HAVE met a few men who prefer thin women (as guy actually said to me one time, WHILE I WAS 30 LBS OVERWEIGHT AND WEARING A BATHING SUIT, “Yeah… a girl can really never be too skinny…” WTH??) But I think most of them like their women with some curve and at least a hint of muscle/athleticism…

I read a study one time that said there is a TWENTY LB difference, on average, of what men think LOOKS attractive and what FEELS attractive in bed… so they may think that 5’10" 130 lbs Victoria’s Secret model LOOKS GOOD… but in actuality if they were going to sleep with her, they would prefer she weigh, on average, 20 lbs more than that.

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[quote]mmgalb727 wrote:
I actually had a black guy ask me the other night if my boyfriend was white or black. I said, “White. Why do you ask?” (although I had a sneaking suspicion) He said, “Because you have a body that belongs in a hip hop video and I don’t see how a white guy could appreciate all of that…” [/quote]

And you replied what??? :wink:

I totally believe that you get hit on all the time by all sorts of guys. You are delicious.

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I don’t disagree with anything that is being said, but I really don’t think health and fitness is this black and white - that is training and eating one way is better than training and eating another way.

After all, these are things that an individual does in order to feel their best - whether that’s to fulfill a physical and/or psychological “best”, and what kind, is really up to them. In other words, what individuals do in terms of fitness and health isn’t always just to meet an ideal body type, but also for spiritual or emotional reasons, and things less tangible.

I for one can’t understand why people are into yoga, or vegetarians. However, i can’t knock they’re lifestyles just because it produces results that I find unattractive or believe are unhealthy, nor can I assume that these individuals haven’t weighed out the consequences of their lifestyle (or that their partners haven’t either for that matter), and I wouldn’t try convincing them otherwise.

Lets not forget, some of us, including myself, are on some rather unconventional eating plans that might be considered “disordered eating” (some of which are not scientifically proven to be “healthy”) - do you want people trying to convince you of something that is better when you feel perfectly good doing what you’re doing, and think it makes you look your best?

We talk about health as if its all about being strong and building muscle, but if you think about it more holistically, there’s a lot more to it than just being strong.

And, I’d just like to add, we may wonder why people want to look waif-like, however, a lean bb’er is equally waif-like. Except curves are created through the building of specific muscle groups, fake tans and breast implants.

Just articulating another pov - flame me if you wish…

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My way to eat and exercise is the only way! :wink:

No, I agree with you Mascherano. Although I think it can be pretty much agreed that Paltrow’s diet was terrible to follow because of the no dairy and I think she’s into yoga (which celeb isn’t) so she probably didn’t do enough weight-training, so her bones really didn’t stand a chance.

However, there is more than one way to be healthy and everyone is different. For instance, low carb diets. I believe that it works for many but if it works for me-- not a chance. Because I can’t follow it. Maybe someone else can’t follow how I eat. Maybe they need to exclude certain foods that I eat for whatever reasons. But diets only work if you can follow it; there are so many diets out there and for each diet that I can’t follow, there are many out there who can and are more than willing.

But I think that there’s a limit. Excluding all those foods for 11 YEARS! Fad diets like that should not be followed for a long term period, IMHO.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Quite honestly, I’ve never understood why that waif look appeals to men . . .[/quote]

I’m sure that most of the men here would take a Jamie Eason over a Paltrow in a flash. But men reading T-Nation are the exception. I think the average man is a slob and feels some guilt about his wretched state, he’s insecure and the thought of a physically fit and strong woman is more than he can handle.

I think women know this, and maybe subconsciously resist becoming “too athletic”, to appeal to a broader (more pathetic) cross section of men. And the fact that most girls are terrified of lifting weights heavy enough to elicit any physiological change sure ain’t helping.

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Good points Masch - I thought about that when I read the original post about the “wacky” low protein diet… I am sure plenty of people consider a high protein diet equally (if not more) “wacky”… oh yeah, and try telling someone that you fast pretty much all day and FEAST at night for 4 hours and see what kind of response that elicits… ;-D Or that you weigh everything you eat on a gram scale and you can’t have a sweet potato b/c it’s not a workout day ;D

And yeah… training for a figure comp to get my “ideal” body (at the time) contributed to F*CKING up my body badly! And yes, I agree that many people on this site think “health” is most related to muscle mass/leanness/strength etc… when there is A LOT more to it than that…

It is also interesting to consider WHY people eat the way they do in terms of religious/spiritual reasons… I don’t follow a particular way of eating for those reasons… but a friend of mind just finished a 40 day spiritual fast where she only ate beans, fruits, vegetables and some oils… it wasn’t about her health, performance, aesthetics or anything of that nature… it was a time for her to get closer to God and she chose that path to do it…

It’s easy to get on a “holier than thou” rant/pedestal about how we eat/train/live our lives (I have done it a million times) but these days I try to be a little more understanding of the “whatever works best for you philosophy”… (as long as it REALLY is working for them! =D)

You just hope that when they have a wake-up call about it NOT working (i.e. Paltrow) that they are willing to make some major changes to get back on the path to health

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Kimba - You are too sweet! =D

I just chuckled and told him not to worry… that my boyfriend appreciated me just fine the way that I am! =D

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I tend to eat ice cream and cheese and peanut butter to get closer to God. Hasn’t really worked much for me, but I keep trying.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I tend to eat ice cream and cheese and peanut butter to get closer to God. Hasn’t really worked much for me, but I keep trying.[/quote]

Oh yeah, that’s definetely a diet that I can follow… it’s like yoga :smiley:

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[quote]kimbakimba wrote:

[quote]mmgalb727 wrote:
I actually had a black guy ask me the other night if my boyfriend was white or black. I said, “White. Why do you ask?” (although I had a sneaking suspicion) He said, “Because you have a body that belongs in a hip hop video and I don’t see how a white guy could appreciate all of that…” [/quote]

And you replied what??? ;-)[/quote]

last time i heard it happen to her, she said, “yeah i know” or something along those lines.

i think i rub off on people when im in the vicinity.

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[quote]mmgalb727 wrote:
(which in my boyfriend’s case is actually s little true… his girlfriend before me was 5’7" 105 lbs… yes, that is 5 foot 7 inches and one hundred and FIVE lbs! YIKES! He said he didn’t even KNOW he was an ASS MAN until we started dating! haha) [/quote]

I was this. I was 5’7 and 110 lbs when I was 18 and still thought I was fat. And I think the term is skinny-fat? I’ve always had a tummy, never flat and I thought that made me “fat”.

[quote]
I read a study one time that said there is a TWENTY LB difference, on average, of what men think LOOKS attractive and what FEELS attractive in bed… so they may think that 5’10" 130 lbs Victoria’s Secret model LOOKS GOOD… but in actuality if they were going to sleep with her, they would prefer she weigh, on average, 20 lbs more than that. [/quote]

When you look at a VS model, they are all boobs and legs and then hips. I bet pointy hip bones would not be comfortable during sex. And being that skinny would project an image of frailty and that a man can’t…man-handle her in bed. Men aren’t all nice and gentle in bed, they like to grab and move you around and they can’t do that with a waif. Notice how most of the men on this website or are with vixens on this website, like to get physical in bed. They don’t like the “don’t mess my hair/you’ll ruin my maicure” type woman in bed.

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Warrior Queen beats the Fairy Princess in all respects, hands down.

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[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Warrior Queen beats the Fairy Princess in all respects, hands down.[/quote]

With a big stick if necessary.

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And Dairy Queen beats them ALL! No one can beat Dairy Queen.

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Except maybe the Burger King. Perhaps they should marry.

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^ ya! They should get married under the golden arches! :smiley:

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On the most basic, primal level, people are attracted to the healthiest looking individuals. Its just simple evolutionary science, survival of the fittest. The best female mate is the one who looks like she is most capable of carrying offspring to term and then making it through the child bearing process without dying, in turn the best male mate is the one who looks like he can collect food and defend the family against lions and shit. Of course, the roles are not mututally exclusive because in a hunter/gatherer society, women would have to do pretty much everything as well. If someone is attracted to a breakable, frail person, their genes would be doomed anyway in a pure model of society.

If you chose a sickly mate they’ll end up getting sick and dying or eaten by a mountain lion or something before you can even reproduce. Those who deny an attraction to healthy looking people are living in a delusional haze created by the media/contrived social norms like women should be weaker than men, women should be physically unable etc… and are not in touch with the urges that made their ancestors such survival experts. I would have to disagree Alisa, and say the “best” men are indeed attracted to the healthiest looking women.

Now, I do digress because I understand there are medical conditions that would make quality mates appear less healthy, and that doesn’t undermine their worth, especially in a society where adaptations can be made to allow them to live healthy safe lives. I just get annoyed with sedentary, unhealthy people who are fully physically capable of being fit and able and wish they would all get eaten by lions.

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[quote]owlie wrote:
On the most basic, primal level, people are attracted to the healthiest looking individuals. Its just simple evolutionary science, survival of the fittest. The best female mate is the one who looks like she is most capable of carrying offspring to term and then making it through the child bearing process without dying, in turn the best male mate is the one who looks like he can collect food and defend the family against lions and shit. Of course, the roles are not mututally exclusive because in a hunter/gatherer society, women would have to do pretty much everything as well. If someone is attracted to a breakable, frail person, their genes would be doomed anyway in a pure model of society.

If you chose a sickly mate they’ll end up getting sick and dying or eaten by a mountain lion or something before you can even reproduce. Those who deny an attraction to healthy looking people are living in a delusional haze created by the media/contrived social norms like women should be weaker than men, women should be physically unable etc… and are not in touch with the urges that made their ancestors such survival experts. I would have to disagree Alisa, and say the “best” men are indeed attracted to the healthiest looking women.

Now, I do digress because I understand there are medical conditions that would make quality mates appear less healthy, and that doesn’t undermine their worth, especially in a society where adaptations can be made to allow them to live healthy safe lives. I just get annoyed with sedentary, unhealthy people who are fully physically capable of being fit and able and wish they would all get eaten by lions.[/quote]

You have got it all wrong. Bears are the real threat.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]owlie wrote:
On the most basic, primal level, people are attracted to the healthiest looking individuals. Its just simple evolutionary science, survival of the fittest. The best female mate is the one who looks like she is most capable of carrying offspring to term and then making it through the child bearing process without dying, in turn the best male mate is the one who looks like he can collect food and defend the family against lions and shit. Of course, the roles are not mututally exclusive because in a hunter/gatherer society, women would have to do pretty much everything as well. If someone is attracted to a breakable, frail person, their genes would be doomed anyway in a pure model of society.

If you chose a sickly mate they’ll end up getting sick and dying or eaten by a mountain lion or something before you can even reproduce. Those who deny an attraction to healthy looking people are living in a delusional haze created by the media/contrived social norms like women should be weaker than men, women should be physically unable etc… and are not in touch with the urges that made their ancestors such survival experts. I would have to disagree Alisa, and say the “best” men are indeed attracted to the healthiest looking women.

Now, I do digress because I understand there are medical conditions that would make quality mates appear less healthy, and that doesn’t undermine their worth, especially in a society where adaptations can be made to allow them to live healthy safe lives. I just get annoyed with sedentary, unhealthy people who are fully physically capable of being fit and able and wish they would all get eaten by lions.[/quote]

You have got it all wrong. Bears are the real threat.
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Actually, it’s bears with flame-thrower breath that will really fuck you up.

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I live with both. It’s definitely the mountain lions I fear. I’m working very, very hard to not look like one of those frail, sickly types that wouldn’t be chosen. (Sniff, sniff).