[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I didn’t say you weren’t happy.
So I can choose to be miserable, lonely, and in pain…but undamaged according to your definition.
Or I can choose to be happy, integrated, and at peace…but damaged according to your definition.
Hell in this life for the sake of your version of heaven in the life to come?
No thanks.[/quote]
Well, I would’ve told you to get help for your condition. But, that ship has sailed.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Who said I ignore that? I’m old school.[/quote]
So you believe women should have their heads covered in church and shouldn’t be allowed to speak?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, I would’ve told you to get help for your condition. But, that ship has sailed.[/quote]
Perhaps you should be more concerned with getting help for your own condition. I’ve got a pretty good life these days, but thanks for caring.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You are saying you shouldn’t try to change others, then stating the whole church should change their beliefs.
I’m saying the church is damaging the lives of people due to its beliefs. What it chooses to do with those beliefs is up to the church, but it doesn’t change the fact that people are being damaged in the process.
People are being damaged because they a follow a destructive lifestyle.[/quote]
Not only that but our childens morals are being damaged because they are forced to comply with the tenants of the lifestyle .
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
But if you are a Mormon, you have to believe that the gay community practicing and teaching the acceptance of that behavior is in fact damaging a person’s soul.
I did believe that, despite the reality that I was being damaged from the belief itself. Once I realized it is ok to be gay, the damage disappeared. Funny how that works.[/quote]
In this life.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Who said I ignore that? I’m old school.
So you believe women should have their heads covered in church and shouldn’t be allowed to speak?
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Sure, why not? Church service doesn’t last very long. Of course, I can’t remember the last time I was invited to speak either.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Well, I would’ve told you to get help for your condition. But, that ship has sailed.
Perhaps you should be more concerned with getting help for your own condition. I’ve got a pretty good life these days, but thanks for caring.
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If you believe in evolution, the ultimate goal of life is reproduction, and you have to see homosexuality as a defect.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
In this life.[/quote]
As far as I know, this is the only life we have. I for one am not going to choose a life of loneliness and unhappiness based on fairy tale promises from people that know nothing about what it is to be gay.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Sure, why not? Church service doesn’t last very long. Of course, I can’t remember the last time I was invited to speak either.[/quote]
Hey, at least you’re consistent. Except for that small commandment from Jesus not to judge others, but nobody is perfect right?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If you believe in evolution, the ultimate goal of life is reproduction, and you have to see homosexuality as a defect.[/quote]
Actually, there are many examples in the animal kingdom of creatures (like worker ants) that are infertile but still contribute to the survival of the species.
Gays have a lot to offer when it comes to taking care of unwanted children, and they have the added bonus of not providing unwanted children themselves.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
In this life.
As far as I know, this is the only life we have. I for one am not going to choose a life of loneliness and unhappiness based on fairy tale promises from people that know nothing about what it is to be gay.
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And that is your choice, the same as it is their choice to believe homosexuality is wrong.
You’ve stated several times that you hope they change, and I’m sure they would want you to change.
You have no more right to ask them to apologize for their beliefs as they have to ask you to repent for yours.
Both sides are doing the same thing. You aren’t any more righteous in your view than they are.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Sure, why not? Church service doesn’t last very long. Of course, I can’t remember the last time I was invited to speak either.
Hey, at least you’re consistent. Except for that small commandment from Jesus not to judge others, but nobody is perfect right?[/quote]
I’ve already demonstrated your misinterpretation.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If you believe in evolution, the ultimate goal of life is reproduction, and you have to see homosexuality as a defect.
Actually, there are many examples in the animal kingdom of creatures (like worker ants) that are infertile but still contribute to the survival of the species.
Gays have a lot to offer when it comes to taking care of unwanted children, and they have the added bonus of not providing unwanted children themselves.
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Playing your game,
People aren’t ants and have different behavioral patterns so poor choice. So try another species. One supposedly closely related to humans.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’ve already demonstrated your misinterpretation.[/quote]
Right, calling it a “misinterpretation” makes you feel better about ignoring it. It’s ok to judge others despite what Jesus said, and I’ve seen plenty of judgment from you in this thread.
Cafeteria Christianity at its best.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If you believe in evolution, the ultimate goal of life is reproduction, and you have to see homosexuality as a defect.
Actually, there are many examples in the animal kingdom of creatures (like worker ants) that are infertile but still contribute to the survival of the species.
Gays have a lot to offer when it comes to taking care of unwanted children, and they have the added bonus of not providing unwanted children themselves.
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I just think that if it is genetic, it should in all rights be naturally bread out of existence.
Yes, but ant society is different. There instinct is to their society, not themselves.
Oddly enough, Worker bees and ants aren’t genetically different. It is environment that produces the changes.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You have no more right to ask them to apologize for their beliefs as they have to ask you to repent for yours.
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I’ve said several times now that they are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they don’t try to legislate their beliefs on me.
I’m not sure why we’re even arguing, since we already agreed that marriage/civil unions should be left to the government and allow churches to sanction whatever makes sense to them.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
People aren’t ants and have different behavioral patterns so poor choice. So try another species. One supposedly closely related to humans.
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He asked about the role of fertility in evolution, which applies to all animal species including humans.
Regardless, they are infertile and they still play a role the survival of the species.
Gays also play a role in the survival of the species by caring for unwanted children.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’ve already demonstrated your misinterpretation.
Right, calling it a “misinterpretation” makes you feel better about ignoring it. It’s ok to judge others despite what Jesus said, and I’ve seen plenty of judgment from you in this thread.
Cafeteria Christianity at its best.
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I provided the entire qoute. In it, I demonstrated that the message was about hypocrisy. I also added my own qoutes showing judgement.
I also pointed out that your reading made absolutely no sense whatsever. After all, a christian that can’t judge between righteousness and sin can’t preach and convert. To preach and convert requires pointing out how Christians are supposed to live. That means identifying sin and what makes one a sinner. That means making judgements.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You have no more right to ask them to apologize for their beliefs as they have to ask you to repent for yours.
I’ve said several times now that they are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they don’t try to legislate their beliefs on me.
I’m not sure why we’re even arguing, since we already agreed that marriage/civil unions should be left to the government and allow churches to sanction whatever makes sense to them.
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No, you said they need to stop damaging people implying they stop practicing certain beliefs. Unless you are saying they can believe what they want as long as they don’t say it out loud. This was entirely outside of government sanctioning.