[quote]Sloth wrote:
After all, a christian that can’t judge between righteousness and sin can’t preach and convert. To preach and convert requires pointing out how Christians are supposed to live. That means identifying sin and what makes one a sinner. That means making judgements.[/quote]
As I pointed out several times, there is a difference between recognizing sin and judging whether or not others meet that standard.
Jesus said it is ok to understand what sin is.
Jesus said it is ok to apply that standard to your own behavior.
Jesus said it is not ok to judge whether or not others are applying that standard to their behavior.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
After all, a christian that can’t judge between righteousness and sin can’t preach and convert. To preach and convert requires pointing out how Christians are supposed to live. That means identifying sin and what makes one a sinner. That means making judgements.
As I pointed out several times, there is a difference between recognizing sin and judging whether or not others meet that standard.
Jesus said it is ok to understand what sin is.
Jesus said it is ok to apply that standard to your own behavior.
Jesus said it is not ok to judge whether or not others are applying that standard to their behavior.[/quote]
Provided that quote, and don’t leave out the context.
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
People aren’t ants and have different behavioral patterns so poor choice. So try another species. One supposedly closely related to humans.
He asked about the role of fertility in evolution, which applies to all animal species including humans.[/quote]
but we are specifically talking about the functionality in human society.
and even though I know it isn’t a poplular stance I have a somewhat eugnic view.
I honestly believe a lot of medicine does more harm for our society then good. but that is a different argument.
I thought this was supposed to be about gays assaulting christians.
and how much of a double standard there is that they can get away with this,
oh thats right the christians didn’t press charges event though they were told to by the cops that came.
But if this were the other way around it would be a much different story.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
People aren’t ants and have different behavioral patterns so poor choice. So try another species. One supposedly closely related to humans.
He asked about the role of fertility in evolution, which applies to all animal species including humans.
but we are specifically talking about the functionality in human society.
and even though I know it isn’t a poplular stance I have a somewhat eugnic view.
I honestly believe a lot of medicine does more harm for our society then good. but that is a different argument.
I thought this was supposed to be about gays assaulting christians.
and how much of a double standard there is that they can get away with this,
oh thats right the christians didn’t press charges event though they were told to by the cops that came.
But if this were the other way around it would be a much different story.[/quote]
oh wait wrong thread there are so many threads about the problem these peaceful gay activists are causing I can’t keep them straight
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
After all, a christian that can’t judge between righteousness and sin can’t preach and convert. To preach and convert requires pointing out how Christians are supposed to live. That means identifying sin and what makes one a sinner. That means making judgements.
As I pointed out several times, there is a difference between recognizing sin and judging whether or not others meet that standard.
Jesus said it is ok to understand what sin is.
Jesus said it is ok to apply that standard to your own behavior.
Jesus said it is not ok to judge whether or not others are applying that standard to their behavior.[/quote]
It is also okay to try to help people recognize the sin in their own life. And to provide help and support in the struggle against it when asked.
You were a willing believing participant in the church. You essentially asked their advice, and are now condemning them for their opinion.
You went to them for advice, you took the advice, you did the “damage” to yourself.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Provided that quote, and don’t leave out the context.
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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Ok, now you’re flat out being dishonest. I have already pointed you to complete context. Yet, you decided to ommit it, even after I asked for the entire quote in context…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You went to them for advice, you took the advice, you did the “damage” to yourself.[/quote]
Actually, I was born into the Mormon church and was indoctrinated throughout my life. Breaking away from that indoctrination is very hard, and not a lot of people do it. I doubt you, for example, will ever break out of your indoctrination.
It is easier to take the blue pill and stay inside the Matrix. Most do.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
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Are you claiming you’ve already cast the beam out of your eye?
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
No, you said they need to stop damaging people implying they stop practicing certain beliefs.
Actually what I said was:
I’m saying the church is damaging the lives of people due to its beliefs. What it chooses to do with those beliefs is up to the church, but it doesn’t change the fact that people are being damaged in the process.
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how about this one?
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You went to them for advice, you took the advice, you did the “damage” to yourself.
Actually, I was born into the Mormon church and was indoctrinated throughout my life. Breaking away from that indoctrination is very hard, and not a lot of people do it. I doubt you, for example, will ever break out of your indoctrination.
It is easier to take the blue pill and stay inside the Matrix. Most do.