Gun Love Thread

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Hornady sells 6.5 x 50mm japanese ammo. It’s actually made by Prvi Partisan, (just in a hornady box) so it’s good quality at a good price. I’ve got a “last ditch” Arisaka I was going to hunt with, but my rifle season got messed up. Haven’t even had a chance to shoot it yet, but the Japanese are about like the germans in terms of their high standards of workmanship, so I believe it was well made even if roughly finished.

No bayonet. [/quote]

Really? I will have to pick some up and hit the range with this bad boy. It’s got the airplane sight, bipod, and bayonet so it’s a really good example. It needs some cleaning but all the pieces are in great shape. I’ve heard of the last ditch versions of the rifle but was under the impression that those were poorly made. It sounds like I was mis-informed. I’ve fired a bunch of WWII era German bolt actions and I really liked them. I have yet to fire the 6.5 though.

Thanks for the info.

james
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Well, it looks crude and is poorly finished, but it is still a precision instrument. Of course the Mum is about gone. The last ditch ones got out of the country before they surrendered so it’s next to impossible to find a last ditch with a Mum.

As I recall I ordered the 6.5 x 50mm off the sportsman’s guide website.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

I have been very honest with my husband (not my father-in-law) about wanting to do EVERYTHING by myself. He understands that is my nature and will eventually let me be with it. It is funny though…in a frustrating way. lol [/quote]

Stand your ground on that one, it is important.
I don’t mean to scare you but I thought of you on this one on account of your children ( I don’t have any ):

Maybe share it with the hubby and ask him how you would handle this as a family and whether he wants to school you over the phone should you ever be in a situation like this, specially with young children if they start crying…imagine your motherly instincts and the need to be on the ball with the gun.

:D…I will post my first experience, no doubt.

The Mossberg 500 chainsaw I got for Xmas is HEAVY as hell: I can even do high rep bicep curls with it.
I am planning on removing that handle in future after I get used to it.

Thank you so much for the invitation! That is very hospitable of you - I will take you up on that.

I extend the invitation, should you ever come down to Florida.

I have two prone paddle boards and can go prone paddling on the Gulf: I was scared of sharks at first but the hubby bought me a spear from Cold Steel for marine life self-defense, lol…
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I read this link yesterday and did ask my husband what he thought. He said “Empty every round into him and don’t stop”. The only thing I’d have (maybe) done differently is lock the kids up and actively pursue him and then pulverize him. After all, he’s in my home, right? That is what my instincts tell me instead of hiding and being a sitting duck. Maybe I’m wrong, IDK.

After reading the post by thethirdruffian (which was highly informative), I’m thinking that a different gun might serve my purpose better. As in one that would blow a gigantic hole in whomever. That was an incredible post so thank you for that.

My conversation with you makes me want to start a girls with guns thread…with spears too, of course. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
I own:

  1. Springfield 45 Stubby - ported ( wanna get rid of this gun, kinda worthless)
  2. Remington 870 (the chevy of shotguns)
  3. 1921 model M1 30.06 (provides some max penetration)

but,

have been talking about getting the H&K ACP 45 for a few years now, need to get off my ass and buy it~[/quote]

In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards�¢?�¦But it doesn�¢??t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks�¢?�¦ If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.
At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesnt fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isnt it Yeah, you know you want one.And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans dont need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus weave fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you dont believe us, it is because you arent a real operator.

By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because youre civilians, so we wont sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know youll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but youll come back, you always do.
Buy our stuff.
Sincerely
HK Marketing DepartmentHK. Because you suck. And we hate you.

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The President’s 23 executive orders signed 30 min ago. Can someone explain 7 to me. And number 18 is what the NRA requested that everyone laughed at.

  1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

  2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

  3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

  4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

  5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
    … 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

  6. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

  7. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

  8. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

  9. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

  10. Nominate an ATF director.

  11. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

  12. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

  13. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

  14. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

  15. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

  16. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

  17. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
    EMBARGOED

  18. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

  19. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

  20. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

  21. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

  22. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

I read this link yesterday and did ask my husband what he thought. He said “Empty every round into him and don’t stop”. The only thing I’d have (maybe) done differently is lock the kids up and actively pursue him and then pulverize him. After all, he’s in my home, right?
That is what my instincts tell me instead of hiding and being a sitting duck. Maybe I’m wrong, IDK.

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I had the same thoughts as you. And I had an in depth conversation with my husband because of this very instinctual nature you talk about - I would not be attracting the criminal by being on the phone with my husband, I tell you that much - she literally LURED him into that cupboard and probably put the life of her children in danger more than if she just hid and remained quiet or chose to go after him, in my opinion.

I saw in the article the aggressor “pleaded with her to stop shooting”, and yet she continued to.

I asked my husband about different scenarios and he mentioned forensic science ( it can determine whether she shot him from the back, at arm’s length, etc…all important in determining if she was guilty of murder or acting in self-defense.) and he also mentioned the sheriff in this instance praised her for her actions whereas another officer may have thought "was it really necessary to put 6 bullets in him…“what a pig” and “trigger happy”, judgments from people who make decisions based on their self-righteous emotions.

These views that “cuddle” criminals concern me. I have seen first hand in London, how the justice system has turned to side more with the criminal’s rights than the law abiding citizen.
I would rather deal with the violence from the criminal than the weapons of self-righteousness an unjust legal system may throw at me.

lol…I told him I was not going to attach a primitive looking spear to a 21st century paddle board on a beach where most tourists are friendly looking Canadians.
And he got me a beautiful dagger as well to tie up to the thigh ( he probably has some James Bond girl fantasy going on subconsciously for me - or he wants to add knives to his collection in the name of 'wife safety":)…because I did not ask for it.
And being that in London knifes are banned, too, I feel really self conscious and still feel like I am breaking the law and police officers are going to hunt me down…

At this point I think it is a good idea if you just transfer this post to the women and guns thread you mentioned.
We can talk about the legal issues, specially, and start learning and keep each other sharp about it.

I should be able to go to the range within the next two weeks and will start a thread anyway, but by all means let’s go take this over there if you want to start a post sooner.

It has been a pleasure so far to exchange notes with you!

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
I don’t see it ever getting to the point where they come for what you already legally own. If we do get to that point, well, hopefully I’m no longer around.

As far as gun love, I’m planning on getting my CCW permit soon, so I’ll be in the market for a .380 or 9 mm “pocket pistol” such as the Tarus TCP, Ruger LCP, or Kel-Tec.

Anyone have any thoughts on the above? I already own a S&W Sigma 9 mm, so I do like the ability to use the same ammo between the 2 guns if I go the 9 mm over the .380 route.
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Being an owner of a Ruger LCP I would advise against it. Small round, no saftey features and a trigger pull a mile long. Something like the Glock 24 (I think it is) would be better if looking at a 9mm, still get the trigger safety and holds 10 rounds instead of 6.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Agree with Four60, above. Try local first. Last Tuesday, I picked up a Beretta PX4 Storm from Scheels and they still had AR-15’s there. Their prices are also less than online too, or at least for the few that I had my eye on. Plus, background check and two days later, in hand. No waiting for weeks on end. Mind you, I went back last night to look for an ammo box and much of their stock had been sold so it’s going fast. They’re still there but I wouldn’t wait for too long.[/quote]

I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Agree with Four60, above. Try local first. Last Tuesday, I picked up a Beretta PX4 Storm from Scheels and they still had AR-15’s there. Their prices are also less than online too, or at least for the few that I had my eye on. Plus, background check and two days later, in hand. No waiting for weeks on end. Mind you, I went back last night to look for an ammo box and much of their stock had been sold so it’s going fast. They’re still there but I wouldn’t wait for too long.[/quote]

I am very interested in the Beretta because according to Austrian gun law that is actually a pistol.

Yeah, I know.

How does it feel?

I am weird that way, a gun has to feel just right.[/quote]

PX4 is a pistol… you’re thinking CX4 which is the carbine but fires pistol ammo and can use interchangeable mags. CX4 is good to 150 yds. in .40 S&W btw.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

I read this link yesterday and did ask my husband what he thought. He said “Empty every round into him and don’t stop”. The only thing I’d have (maybe) done differently is lock the kids up and actively pursue him and then pulverize him. After all, he’s in my home, right?
That is what my instincts tell me instead of hiding and being a sitting duck. Maybe I’m wrong, IDK.

[/quote]

I had the same thoughts as you. And I had an in depth conversation with my husband because of this very instinctual nature you talk about - I would not be attracting the criminal by being on the phone with my husband, I tell you that much - she literally LURED him into that cupboard and probably put the life of her children in danger more than if she just hid and remained quiet or chose to go after him, in my opinion.

[/quote]

Pardon the interruption ladies. However, IMHO, in most situations if you cannot safely get the kids out of the house the safest response is to barricade yourself and you kids in a locked room behind some kind of meaningful cover, call 911 from a cell phone and explain what’s happening, follow the dispatcher’s instructions, cover off the door with your weapon and hold. If he tries to take the door, announce yourself then start firing through the door.

As much as I applaud and can relate to your righteous indignation and the spirit to take the fight to the bad guy, an armed person holding an even moderately fortified position has a decided advantage over anybody trying to assault that position, all things being equal. Just ask a S.W.A.T guy. If you go “hunting”, the playing field levels out pretty fast. This is not a gender thing, it’s a tactical thing. I would say the same thing to a guy. Have a room and a basic protocol for getting there and securing it picked out ahead of time and ideally practice it a few times with your kids. Like a fire drill.

If you and your children are relatively safe in a defensible position the only thing in jeopardy is your property, which is all replaceable. If you try to go on the offensive, this all changes.

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my goal would be to load up and get to my kids room, shove him under the crib (or bed, when he’s older). Kneel down and keep the door covered and fire if they come in…and I won’t quit till they stop moving. I’m not going ot try to clear my house; let the police do that with 2-3 guys covering each other.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
The President’s 23 executive orders signed 30 min ago. Can someone explain 7 to me. And number 18 is what the NRA requested that everyone laughed at.

  1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

  2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

  3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

  4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

  5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
    … 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

  6. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

  7. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

  8. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

  9. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

  10. Nominate an ATF director.

  11. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

  12. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

  13. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

  14. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

  15. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

  16. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

  17. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
    EMBARGOED

  18. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

  19. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

  20. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

  21. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

  22. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius
    [/quote]

I can, make it so fucking vague that any kind of behavior can be made to be suspicious and take the guns out of citizens hands.
I wonder how much weight executive orders on the populous have with the judicial branch.

That being said, I have a serious problem with circumventing the legislative process with executive orders. Executive orders were not meant to circumvent the balance of powers. They are for minor things, not constitutional amendments.

It doesn’t matter where you stand on the issue, this way of handling it should bother you.

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what does the huge EMBARGOED mean?

Most of those read more like a “to do” list than anything else, and they’ll require working with other parts of the government, so I’m strangely relieved.

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[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.

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[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.[/quote]

Not exactly, .223 can be fired in a NATO chambered rifle (5.56mm) but not vice versa. Now maybe you won’t sound so dumb when telling someone they sound so dumb.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.[/quote]

Not exactly, .223 can be fired in a NATO chambered rifle (5.56mm) but not vice versa. Now maybe you won’t sound so dumb when telling someone they sound so dumb.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316[/quote]

^^^Beat me to it. Go on and attempt to fire some 5.56 in a .223 rifle. No bueno.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.[/quote]

Not exactly, .223 can be fired in a NATO chambered rifle (5.56mm) but not vice versa. Now maybe you won’t sound so dumb when telling someone they sound so dumb.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316[/quote]

Thanks for squaring me away. Apologies to SRT08

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[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.[/quote]

Not exactly, .223 can be fired in a NATO chambered rifle (5.56mm) but not vice versa. Now maybe you won’t sound so dumb when telling someone they sound so dumb.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316[/quote]

Thanks for squaring me away. Apologies to SRT08
[/quote]

How refreshing to see strength coupled with humility.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
I don’t know about a run on AR’s but I would go AK right now seeing as the price of .223 and .556 has gone up by half the last few weeks.[/quote]

FYI

.223" = 5.56mm

It is the same thing.

Now you won’t sound as dumb when you talk about firearms.[/quote]

Not exactly, .223 can be fired in a NATO chambered rifle (5.56mm) but not vice versa. Now maybe you won’t sound so dumb when telling someone they sound so dumb.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/mediapages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=316[/quote]

Thanks for squaring me away. Apologies to SRT08
[/quote]

How refreshing to see strength coupled with humility.
[/quote]

I concur, he took that well.

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[quote]DirtyM wrote:

^^^Beat me to it. Go on and attempt to fire some 5.56 in a .223 rifle. No bueno. [/quote]

Depends on the rifle, really. A bolt action, it wouldn’t matter at all.

A semi auto? Just depends on how stoutly built a rifle and how hot a 5.56 round you are shooting and how thin the brass is.

Most American name-brand .223 weapons would be fine with a typical mil-spec 5.56 round.

A cheap .223 with a some steel cased overloaded ex-Soviet crap? Possible issue.

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Any recommendations for a semi-auto side arm for a lefty? I’ve seen quite a few that are ambidextrous but they all seem to toss the shells and eject the powder across my face.