[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
There’s a quote by Sigmond Freud that I’ve seen many times on the internet
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
I’m suspicious of all things found on the internet, but I believe that it is absolutely true regardless of where it comes from. Why the left is so obsessed with guns is beyond me, but I hope that if they do go after the banks as a way to cripple gun related businesses that
Congress and he NRA comes to their defense.[/quote]
No offense yall, while I agree with all of your points, the ‘Gun Control’ thread is open in PWI. I want this one to be dedicated to the guns and the joy they bring, not the politics of gun grabbers. I want to celebrate the guns. We can bitch about the government in PWI.[/quote]
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
There’s a quote by Sigmond Freud that I’ve seen many times on the internet
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
I’m suspicious of all things found on the internet, but I believe that it is absolutely true regardless of where it comes from. Why the left is so obsessed with guns is beyond me, but I hope that if they do go after the banks as a way to cripple gun related businesses that
Congress and he NRA comes to their defense.[/quote]
No offense yall, while I agree with all of your points, the ‘Gun Control’ thread is open in PWI. I want this one to be dedicated to the guns and the joy they bring, not the politics of gun grabbers. I want to celebrate the guns. We can bitch about the government in PWI.[/quote]
Very true. I apologize for the derail.[/quote]
No worries, keep lovin’ the guns… I am itching for some range time. Got a closet full of ammo waiting to be shot.
Last night I attended a seminar on concealed weapon carry. I can say that in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania the second amendment not only lives, but it is thriving!
As a responsible gun owner, I feel we need to know the law and this seminar was perfect. Speakers in attendance; NRA Instructor, State Representative and County District Attorney. It was nice to hear the D.A. speak and field questions on the law and his beliefs. He focused on the Castle Doctrine, where and when it applies.
A few take-aways for myself:
Every D.A. will always have a different view point but the chance in the law (C.D.) actually helps the D.A. Since the Castle Doctrine (applied to both the home vehicle) does not require you to first flee (Stand your ground) they do not have to determine if that was a possibility. It was put simply as, “We aren’t in the business of prosecuting law-abiding citizens who are protecting themselves from criminals”.
I would like some additional clarification on this but it was my understanding that if someone forcibly enters your home, this constitutes a reasonable assumption for the fear of bodily harm to justify the use of deadly force. It is assumed that intruders intent is hostile.
This was an eye-opener for me. That 1,000’ gun free school zone signs that you see are actually unconstitutional. The law was enacted in 1990 and appealed in 1995 where it was found to restrict the Second Amendment; “right to keep and bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED.” Those words do not leave any room for making compromises. According to the D.A., this does not exclude you from a criminal trespass if there is an issue but it is not a state or federal gun issue. The NRA instructor had some good advice, “Avoid the situation and always carry canceled.”
You are not required to tell the police that you are carrying concealed if stopped for a traffic violation. I personally think handing the office your driver license and your carrying permit is a good idea. You don’t need a 21 y.o. cop getting squirrelly on you if he sees a gun print in your shirt.
Guys, I’m no expert on this subject so if I have misinformed or misunderstood something per PA law please let me know. All I ask is for you to state the law and avoid the jailhouse lawyering.
Last night I attended a seminar on concealed weapon carry. I can say that in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania the second amendment not only lives, but it is thriving!
As a responsible gun owner, I feel we need to know the law and this seminar was perfect. Speakers in attendance; NRA Instructor, State Representative and County District Attorney. It was nice to hear the D.A. speak and field questions on the law and his beliefs. He focused on the Castle Doctrine, where and when it applies.
A few take-aways for myself:
Every D.A. will always have a different view point but the chance in the law (C.D.) actually helps the D.A. Since the Castle Doctrine (applied to both the home vehicle) does not require you to first flee (Stand your ground) they do not have to determine if that was a possibility. It was put simply as, “We aren’t in the business of prosecuting law-abiding citizens who are protecting themselves from criminals”.
I would like some additional clarification on this but it was my understanding that if someone forcibly enters your home, this constitutes a reasonable assumption for the fear of bodily harm to justify the use of deadly force. It is assumed that intruders intent is hostile.
This was an eye-opener for me. That 1,000’ gun free school zone signs that you see are actually unconstitutional. The law was enacted in 1990 and appealed in 1995 where it was found to restrict the Second Amendment; “right to keep and bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED.” Those words do not leave any room for making compromises. According to the D.A., this does not exclude you from a criminal trespass if there is an issue but it is not a state or federal gun issue. The NRA instructor had some good advice, “Avoid the situation and always carry canceled.”
You are not required to tell the police that you are carrying concealed if stopped for a traffic violation. I personally think handing the office your driver license and your carrying permit is a good idea. You don’t need a 21 y.o. cop getting squirrelly on you if he sees a gun print in your shirt.
Guys, I’m no expert on this subject so if I have misinformed or misunderstood something per PA law please let me know. All I ask is for you to state the law and avoid the jailhouse lawyering.
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It sounds like this was a good seminar, and it is very important to understand your local laws if you choose to carry concealed.
That is a nice thing to hear from your D.A. Not all jurisdictions are so fortunate.
Be careful here. Laws will vary state-to-state. Important distinctions to understand are the differences between “dwellings” (house) and “premises” (such as an unattached garage or your driveway). My state of Maine has different rules governing the use of lethal force in one’s dwelling vs. on premises. For an extreme example, look up the recent story on the guy who set a trap in his garage for some thieving teens and is rightfully being prosecuted with murder.
This can also vary state-to-state. Plenty of laws are on the books about this and I would not suggest flaunting any of them.
Continuing with the theme, “duty to inform” also varies widely state-to-state. To build slightly on what you have suggested, I recommend a few other things. Turn your dome light on and keep both hands on the steering wheel. Hand your CHL to the officer along with your license. Do NOT say “I have a gun”. I think most cops will appreciate your respect for their situational awareness and may even go easier on you.
I’d agree with twojarslave on #2. You have to be very careful. I had a drunk guy walk into my apartment last year and I had my guns out. I didn’t shoot him, but I did get physical and the ambulance had to come. I didn’t have the door locked as I had literally just got home from the range and ran upstairs to use the facilities.
He had no gun but after he was submissive he did admit he had a blade. I don’t think I was justified in using deadly force in that situation, but I had a stranger walk into my house and slam the door violently and I was scared.
This gets more complicated if you have kids, and especially a daughter. There was an incident recently where a girl invited a boyfriend over and there dad caught them in the room. The girl said she didn’t know the boy when caught and the dad shot him. It turned out later that she invited him in, and the young man being a young man did not decline the invitation.
If they are kicking on your door that is one thing, but most of the times even criminals are not that stupid.
I was pulled over once when carrying. I was told to open up all the windows and yell to the cop that you are a CHL holder and ask how he would like you to proceed. This did not go well and I startled the LEO, he was a state trooper. Now, I just act peacefully with my hands and the staring wheel and first thing is inform them that I am a CHL holder and am armed. They usually take it from there.
Last night I attended a seminar on concealed weapon carry. I can say that in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania the second amendment not only lives, but it is thriving!
As a responsible gun owner, I feel we need to know the law and this seminar was perfect. Speakers in attendance; NRA Instructor, State Representative and County District Attorney. It was nice to hear the D.A. speak and field questions on the law and his beliefs. He focused on the Castle Doctrine, where and when it applies.
A few take-aways for myself:
Every D.A. will always have a different view point but the chance in the law (C.D.) actually helps the D.A. Since the Castle Doctrine (applied to both the home vehicle) does not require you to first flee (Stand your ground) they do not have to determine if that was a possibility. It was put simply as, “We aren’t in the business of prosecuting law-abiding citizens who are protecting themselves from criminals”.
I would like some additional clarification on this but it was my understanding that if someone forcibly enters your home, this constitutes a reasonable assumption for the fear of bodily harm to justify the use of deadly force. It is assumed that intruders intent is hostile.
This was an eye-opener for me. That 1,000’ gun free school zone signs that you see are actually unconstitutional. The law was enacted in 1990 and appealed in 1995 where it was found to restrict the Second Amendment; “right to keep and bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED.” Those words do not leave any room for making compromises. According to the D.A., this does not exclude you from a criminal trespass if there is an issue but it is not a state or federal gun issue. The NRA instructor had some good advice, “Avoid the situation and always carry canceled.”
You are not required to tell the police that you are carrying concealed if stopped for a traffic violation. I personally think handing the office your driver license and your carrying permit is a good idea. You don’t need a 21 y.o. cop getting squirrelly on you if he sees a gun print in your shirt.
Guys, I’m no expert on this subject so if I have misinformed or misunderstood something per PA law please let me know. All I ask is for you to state the law and avoid the jailhouse lawyering.
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It sounds like this was a good seminar, and it is very important to understand your local laws if you choose to carry concealed.
That is a nice thing to hear from your D.A. Not all jurisdictions are so fortunate.
Be careful here. Laws will vary state-to-state. Important distinctions to understand are the differences between “dwellings” (house) and “premises” (such as an unattached garage or your driveway). My state of Maine has different rules governing the use of lethal force in one’s dwelling vs. on premises. For an extreme example, look up the recent story on the guy who set a trap in his garage for some thieving teens and is rightfully being prosecuted with murder.
This can also vary state-to-state. Plenty of laws are on the books about this and I would not suggest flaunting any of them.
Continuing with the theme, “duty to inform” also varies widely state-to-state. To build slightly on what you have suggested, I recommend a few other things. Turn your dome light on and keep both hands on the steering wheel. Hand your CHL to the officer along with your license. Do NOT say “I have a gun”. I think most cops will appreciate your respect for their situational awareness and may even go easier on you.
Know your laws!
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Definitely know your laws. The only places we are not allowed to carry is government buildings and schools. We can carry, openly if we want, anywhere.
When I carry, I always carry concealed. I don’t need the spook or harassment that comes with open carry even if it’s my right. People freak out needlessly and I don’t care to talk to cops more than I have to so I don’t invite the attention.
When we are pulled over it is a good idea to have your documents ready and hands on the wheel until told otherwise. Usually here the cops are more interested in what your carrying than the fact that you are. My wife got pulled over and all the cop was interested was the gun. He was fascinated that she was carrying a Walther. He turned out to be very enthusiastic about the gun and started talking guns. Let her go without a ticket, because he thought her gun was cool.
In GA, concealed carry owners are considered ‘friends’ of the popo. They aren’t known to give you a hard time at all about it.
Definitely know your laws. The only places we are not allowed to carry is government buildings and schools. We can carry, openly if we want, anywhere.
When I carry, I always carry concealed. I don’t need the spook or harassment that comes with open carry even if it’s my right. People freak out needlessly and I don’t care to talk to cops more than I have to so I don’t invite the attention.
When we are pulled over it is a good idea to have your documents ready and hands on the wheel until told otherwise. Usually here the cops are more interested in what your carrying than the fact that you are. My wife got pulled over and all the cop was interested was the gun. He was fascinated that she was carrying a Walther. He turned out to be very enthusiastic about the gun and started talking guns. Let her go without a ticket, because he thought her gun was cool.
In GA, concealed carry owners are considered ‘friends’ of the popo. They aren’t known to give you a hard time at all about it.[/quote]
Most people think of the northeast as a gun control mecca. Maine, NH and VT actually have some of the least restrictive gun laws you will find anywhere in the country in addition to a deeply-rooted shooting culture. All of the recent sound and fury about allowing concealed carry in Georgia bars was a bit surprising to me, as Maine has allowed that practice for quite some time.
I don’t have a lot of interaction with police, but being a “gun guy” definitely helps here in the north woods. I had a headlight out last year, followed the protocol I outlined above for traffic stops, and was let off with a verbal warning. I was speeding as well, but he didn’t even mention that.
We had the cops swing by a party we were having last year, and the responding officer was more interested in talking about the guns we were shooting earlier that day (which were the source of complaint) than doing any sort of investigative work. There wasn’t anything he could have arrested us for anyways, but it was clear that he saw us as “good guys”.
This makes sense when you realize that a concealed handgun permit is the closest thing to a “good guy card” that the government issues to the general public.
edit: I also second the notion of carrying concealed over open. Open carry is legal here in Maine and you will see people doing it from time-to-time, but I do not wish to draw that kind of attention to myself. I think it has its place in rural settings where it is unlikely to cause alarm and in very hot climates where carrying concealed may add a special element of discomfort.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Ready for some rounds to be put through her. [/quote]
What kind of bipod you rockin, and what do you use it for? And how do you like it?[/quote]
Rockin a Harris bipod right now. I am thinking of picking up a Larue Bipod. I plan on using it for just fun plinking at longer distances and maybe taking out some coyotes around my hunting land.
I really like the gun in general. Just put the glass on it, so going to get it zeroed in and on point tomorrow.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Ready for some rounds to be put through her. [/quote]
What kind of bipod you rockin, and what do you use it for? And how do you like it?[/quote]
Rockin a Harris bipod right now. I am thinking of picking up a Larue Bipod. I plan on using it for just fun plinking at longer distances and maybe taking out some coyotes around my hunting land.
I really like the gun in general. Just put the glass on it, so going to get it zeroed in and on point tomorrow.[/quote]
If I’m not mistaken it looks like it’s rail mounted. Does the forward weight affect the balance of your rifle? Are the external springs annoying?
I’m asking lots of questions because I’m seriously considering one for my M14 (well technically M21) and am debating how much I should spend. The atlas and GGG models look really nice, but I’ve already put some serious scratch into this thing, so if I go higher end I’ll probably wait a bit. Thanks for sharing!
If I’m not mistaken it looks like it’s rail mounted. Does the forward weight affect the balance of your rifle? Are the external springs annoying?
I’m asking lots of questions because I’m seriously considering one for my M14 (well technically M21) and am debating how much I should spend. The atlas and GGG models look really nice, but I’ve already put some serious scratch into this thing, so if I go higher end I’ll probably wait a bit. Thanks for sharing!
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I have an Atlas, a Harris, and a Versapod, all on different rifles. The Atlas is by far the nicest and it’s actually the lightest if you are worried about balance. The only downside is the price.
All the Atlas’s are rail mounted, so if you have a sling stud, you’d have to have a gunsmith install a rail on your stock. There’s adapters out there, but they won’t be as nice as a mount installed into the fiberglass. This will be more $$, especially if you have to ship it out.
The best part about them is you can really load them up, i.e. lean into them a bit, and it’s much easier to control recoil from a variety of surfaces.
My rifle has a built in rail, which is the same plastic/composite stuff as the rest of the stock. You can see the black cover under the fore-end on the pic above. I do plan on hunting with this rifle, coyotes and deer, and am leaning towards the Atlas.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Ready for some rounds to be put through her. [/quote]
What kind of bipod you rockin, and what do you use it for? And how do you like it?[/quote]
Rockin a Harris bipod right now. I am thinking of picking up a Larue Bipod. I plan on using it for just fun plinking at longer distances and maybe taking out some coyotes around my hunting land.
I really like the gun in general. Just put the glass on it, so going to get it zeroed in and on point tomorrow.[/quote]
If I’m not mistaken it looks like it’s rail mounted. Does the forward weight affect the balance of your rifle? Are the external springs annoying?
I’m asking lots of questions because I’m seriously considering one for my M14 (well technically M21) and am debating how much I should spend. The atlas and GGG models look really nice, but I’ve already put some serious scratch into this thing, so if I go higher end I’ll probably wait a bit. Thanks for sharing!
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It is indeed rail mounted. I have no issues with balance when applying weight and the external springs havn’t caused any issues for me as of yet.
Overall I have been pleased with the Harris, but I have not tried any other higher quality either, so I could like those better haha.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
There’s a quote by Sigmond Freud that I’ve seen many times on the internet
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
I’m suspicious of all things found on the internet, but I believe that it is absolutely true regardless of where it comes from. Why the left is so obsessed with guns is beyond me, but I hope that if they do go after the banks as a way to cripple gun related businesses that
Congress and he NRA comes to their defense.[/quote]
The left is against any and all forms of state control over gun ownership and usage. But of course if your idea of the left is Barrack Obama, a leader of an imperialist state who was financed by huge corporations then of course you would think the left is pro gun control.
Go ask Buenaventura Durruti what he thinks of the government taking his guns.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Ready for some rounds to be put through her. [/quote]
Nice dude I’m interested to see how that works for you. I’m looking for one now thinking about that, a weaver or a Burris fullfield. Leaning toward the Burris.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
My rifle has a built in rail, which is the same plastic/composite stuff as the rest of the stock. You can see the black cover under the fore-end on the pic above. I do plan on hunting with this rifle, coyotes and deer, and am leaning towards the Atlas. [/quote]
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
My rifle has a built in rail, which is the same plastic/composite stuff as the rest of the stock. You can see the black cover under the fore-end on the pic above. I do plan on hunting with this rifle, coyotes and deer, and am leaning towards the Atlas. [/quote]
Is that a JAE? [/quote]
No, it’s an the Archangel knockoff of the JAE. I love the look of the standard wood stock, but the length of pull is too short for me. I also wanted an adjustable cheek rest for when I mount a scope. Figured I’d play with the cheeper version first, see how I like it before laying down the serious scratch for the JAE.
I’m very impressed with the quality of the Archangel.
