Gun Love Thread

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Hopefully Smith & Wesson will follow suit and expand into Free America before long.[/quote]

Fuck and no, well at least until I move out of MA. Being based in MA they will continue to make models that are legal here. Please god don’t let them leave so we are left with damn near nothing.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

What are you all using for a cleaner? Is there a disparity in quality among brands?[/quote]

I tend to like the all-in-one sprays, but my weapons tend to be ugly black ones. If you have a wooden grip, this can be bad.

Hoppes is fine if you want to do a two-stage cleaning, followed by a LIGHT oil.

Remington gun wipes are handy, too. Not sure what is on them, but they don’t leave a residue that attracts dust.

I would invest in a bore snake, even for a pistol. That way you don’t have to screw with patches and the like. I still loosen up the gunk with a wire or plastic brush first.

Mildly related, but if anyone wants to know how to clean an AR-15, I recommend this video:

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Thanks for the vid. I wish I could get my hands on a set of them. I have a feeling they are out of my price range. I already have a rent to own set; maybe I will just stick with them.

just for grins.
A BILL
TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING ARTICLE 9 TO CHAPTER 31, TITLE 23, TO ENACT THE “SOUTH CAROLINA FIREARMS FREEDOM ACT”, TO PROVIDE THAT A FIREARM, FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN SOUTH CAROLINA IS EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

Whereas, the tenth amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees and reserves for the states all powers not granted to the federal government in the Constitution; and

Whereas, the ninth amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the Constitution and reserves to the people of South Carolina certain rights. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of South Carolina and the United States; and

Whereas, the regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the ninth and tenth amendments to the United States Constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition; and

Whereas, the second amendment to the United States Constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that South Carolina was admitted to statehood in 1788, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of South Carolina and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by South Carolina and the United States in 1788; and

Whereas, Article I, Section 20 of the South Carolina Constitution clearly secures to South Carolina citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual South Carolina citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1895 South Carolina Constitution, which was approved by Congress and the people of South Carolina, and the right exists as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by South Carolina and the United States in 1895. Now, therefore,

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina:

SECTION 1. Chapter 31, Title 23 of the 1976 Code is amended by adding:

"Article 9

South Carolina Firearms Freedom Act
Section 23-31-700. This article may be cited as the ‘South Carolina Firearms Freedom Act’.

Section 23-31-705. For purposes of this article:

(1) ‘Borders of South Carolina’ means the boundaries of South Carolina described in Article I, Section 1 of the 1895 South Carolina Constitution.

(2) ‘Firearms accessories’ means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including, but not limited to, telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.

(3) ‘Generic and insignificant parts’ includes, but is not limited to, springs, screws, nuts, and pins.

(4) ‘Manufactured’ means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including, but not limited to, forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.

Section 23-31-710. (A) A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in South Carolina and that remains within the borders of South Carolina is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of Congress to regulate interstate commerce.

(B) This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in South Carolina from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state.

(1) Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition.

(2) Basic materials such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition.

(C) Basic materials are subject only to intrastate commerce regulation.

(D) Firearms accessories that are imported into South Carolina from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in South Carolina.

Section 23-31-715. This article does not apply to the following:

(1) a firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;

(2) a firearm that has a bore diameter greater than one and one half inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;

(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or

(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.

Section 23-31-720. A firearm manufactured or sold in South Carolina under must have the words ‘Made in South Carolina’ clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame."

SECTION 2. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.

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already here-FNH, PTR, ATI, I think Magpul, and Remington is looking at some properties here also

Still debating where I want to set this up:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Still debating where I want to set this up:[/quote]
How about my place?
Always thought about one of them. The B is a step up from the base model isn’t it? What did you lay down for it?

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Still debating where I want to set this up:[/quote]
How about my place?
Always thought about one of them. The B is a step up from the base model isn’t it? What did you lay down for it?[/quote]

They have the Square Deal B which is only for pistol rounds. I considered it as handguns is the only thing I really shoot in bulk, and most of my rifle shooting is for accuracy so I load one at a time. I picked this one up as I want the option to load 223 in bulk. The next one up is the 650 which auto indexes.

Everyone I talked to said to get this one. One guy had the 650, but these things tend to hold their value pretty well given Dillon’s warranty, so I could always sell and upgrade.

I ordered it from Brian Enos with most of the upgrades and conversions for 9/40/223. It was spendy at $700, but I spent over a grand on ammo last year. This should pay for itself relatively quickly, or else I just shoot 3x as much for the same price in components.


Up and running. There’s still some kinks to work out and I’m using already primed brass, but the score was about 85 rounds in 10 minutes at a casual pace.

Setup was close to a breeze.

Tomorrow I shall shoot them and see if they blow up my gun or myself. Then I shall, load the rest.

^^ DAAAAMN!! that’s awesome. I want one of those Dillons. Please post an AAR. I’m sure it will be great report because the Dillons are almost “idiot proof” from what I’ve read so far.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

M-4 on full auto

Slow motion video 18,000 fps[/quote]

Neat stuff… Stoner would be proud.

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
^^ DAAAAMN!! that’s awesome. I want one of those Dillons. Please post an AAR. I’m sure it will be great report because the Dillons are almost “idiot proof” from what I’ve read so far. [/quote]

I wouldn’t necessarily go as far as idiot proof, but setup was easy. The instructions are close to a tutorial and everything is close to step by step. Some things are a bit more difficult, like changing out the powder bars in the dispenser or switching between large and small primer rods in the feeder, but once you figure out how to take it apart once, it’s easy to put back together and there’s enough tutorials out there on youtube that figuring out how to do something is a mouseclick away.

There’s a lot of parts, but not that many. Now that everything is out of boxes and together, its easy to keep track of it all, and everything not currently installed fits in a little ziplock back.

Switching between cartridges is easy, and you have a cartridge holder, powder funnel, and we’ll call them retaining pins. These are pins that you can remove to pull the cartridge out if you have a problem at a certain station. You can get lost in the weeds here and I’m glad I ordered from Enos because I wanted to load 9mm,40, and 223. The 9 and 40 use the same shellplate and the 9 and 223 use the same pins, so I saved $30 by not having to get the 9mm conversion kit, which I had no clue on but he told me.

The tricky thing is when you get into your die selection. Dillon says not to use a simultaneous seater/crimper die. The powder dispenser also works to bell the case necks for straight walled cartridges, so you don’t need a belling die.

I ignored this advice because my dies are the Hornady carbine ones with the 2 in 1 seater/crimper. If I could buy dies over again, I would probably just get the Dillon ones. Regardless, I had no issues with my choice of dies and the thing ran well.

The upgrades are worth it. The mount especially; if you have the shell plate right at elbow height, your hand naturally rests on the bullet tray and shell plate. This makes the seat bullet, index, and add new cartridge cycle comfortable and easy. The roller handle is the only thing I would pass on to keep costs down.

I ended up drilling 4 holes in my study and bolting it to my backup desk. The nice thing is, I can just unbolt it and set it in the closet when I’m not using it. The strong mount lifts it up high enough that the bottom of the ram clears the floor. This is great.

The only other thing I’d add, which I’ve seen on Ebay is an LED light that goes in the center of the toolhead, which illuminates the workspace and makes it easy to verify powder charges and if there were any seating/crimp malfunctions.

If you were thinking about getting one, I’d say just order it and get it setup. The longer you use it, the sooner it pays itself off, and the thing really is a dream to use.

Thanks for the info man and I appreciate your time in writing all that. I’m really weighing buying a set up. I like the idea of being able to roll my own and the engineer in me loves machines and such.


http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=133

This is the FBI marksmanship drill. I’m going to run it the weekend after this one. A target is available for download.

This is a simple one I think everybody can get in on. If you want to shoot it, post a pic of your target, score, and weapon used.

It’s been a long Winter, so unless you have been shooting inside, it can be a baseline to see how you improve over the warmer months.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Hopefully Smith & Wesson will follow suit and expand into Free America before long.[/quote]

Fuck and no, well at least until I move out of MA. Being based in MA they will continue to make models that are legal here. Please god don’t let them leave so we are left with damn near nothing. [/quote]

They will be gone before long as I don’t see anything but more anti-gun policies rolling through most northern states in the future unless people wake up.

[quote]theuofh wrote:
http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=133

This is the FBI marksmanship drill. I’m going to run it the weekend after this one. A target is available for download.

This is a simple one I think everybody can get in on. If you want to shoot it, post a pic of your target, score, and weapon used.

It’s been a long Winter, so unless you have been shooting inside, it can be a baseline to see how you improve over the warmer months. [/quote]

Sounds cool im in. I may be able to do it this weekend.


268/300 Glock 21 w/XS big dot sights. More of a rough estimate as I didn’t score until the very end. Should have scored between each stage to be more accurate. If it was slightly touching the line, I gave it the higher score the way it was done in the military. I only managed to count 29 rounds so left the last one off target.

Nice work! That’s passing and I’m not sure how many we are going to see.

How’s the sight picture with your big dots at 25 yards? I have a Shield I need sights for and I was considering them, but I want to be able to shoot for the eyebox at 25 yards at least. I’m not saying I can hit it, I just want the capability.

If it warms up, I’ll get out there this weekend. I managed to get out a couple times when it was cold and my fingers were so numb I was doubling. I quit before I sent one over the berm. I’ll be happy to shoot above 200.

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Nice work! That’s passing and I’m not sure how many we are going to see.

How’s the sight picture with your big dots at 25 yards? I have a Shield I need sights for and I was considering them, but I want to be able to shoot for the eyebox at 25 yards at least. I’m not saying I can hit it, I just want the capability.

If it warms up, I’ll get out there this weekend. I managed to get out a couple times when it was cold and my fingers were so numb I was doubling. I quit before I sent one over the berm. I’ll be happy to shoot above 200. [/quote]

Thanks man did better than I thought I would. I like the big dots, but precision isn’t their strength obviously. I have gotten better with them with practice though. At 25 yds I have the very tip of the front sight slightly covering the very bottom of the black circle. At 15-10 yds I have the whole front sight in the six -hole. 10 yds and in I have the front sight center mass. You could hit the eyebox at 25 yds for sure, but to do it with consistency when the tip of the front sight is aiming at chin level? A little tougher. I think they would be great sights for a shield for ccw or a home defense handgun.

Boy wants an MP15-22 rather than an Xbox One, and I need a place to store the Mossberg 500 I am going to get for the house.

http://www.barska.com/Biometric_Safe-Quick_Access_Biometric_Rifle_Safe_by_Barska.html

Thinking about this safe, what say ye?

This is just to tide us over until we move out fo the PEople’s Republic of Mass.