Gun Love II

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Alright guys… Pretty damn well saved up for a new toy. Not sure what I’m looking to do. I’m thinking:

Bolt Action in some large exotic/semi-exotic caliber - looking at the new Mossberg patriot’s. I love their trigger.
SR1911 - I need a 45, and also any respectful collection has a 1911 at one point or another
Glock19 - I should get my restriction lifted in January, so I need to get some practice in this summer
Build another AR. (I’m picking up two lowers now that they are cheap before the next panic.)

This is really where I’m at right now… Leaning 1911, but really like loading rifle rounds. Also open to different carry guns than the glock. Should prob go 45 for the carry gun as I’m limited to 10 round mags, unless I can get a preban, but partial to 9mm, as I’m familiar with the round.

If I’m missing anything, let me know. [/quote]

I will get flamed for this, but I am not a fan of the .45, unless you get a suppressor for it. (It’s a subsonic round and make a fantastic stealth weapon.)

If you are looking for a cannon, get something that shoots .357, .44, or 10mm.

I’ve actually shot an killed an Elk with a 10mm because he walked up to the behind my stand and I would have scared him moving my rifle. It will over penetrate a human target, and a shot anywhere in the center of mass is a death sentence.

That said, don’t be afraid of the “smaller” calibers. A 9mm is fine. A .40 is a bit better.

While there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth in response to this, IMHO .40 is very comparable with a .45 in stopping power.

My wife carries a Ruger SR40C at the hospital. It’s 9+1 and a fine carry weapon. Very user-friendly with a bullet-in-chamber indicator and manual safety. Accurate and small.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
^ It’s a 14.45 by the way.

I’m even considering sending it to Para if they do custom work.[/quote]

Para has just dissolved into the Remington behemoth. I’m not a 1911 guy, but have heard good things about Cheely Custom Gunworks (Cheely Custom Gunworks) and Canyon Creek Customs (http://canyoncreekcustom.com/). I’d do a bit more digging, and you may be able to find someone close. I found a solid riflesmith like 20 minutes away from me by chance.

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If I was going bolt, I would go either Savage or Remington 700. You seem like a tinkerer and the wealth of after market parts is huge for the Remington, hell you could build one from the ground up off of a Stiller action if you wanted. I am in the process of truing the action on mine before I replace trigger, barrel, stock, and make it detachable mag fed. Savage is the best out of the box gun for the money (and really one of the best in general) in my humble opinion and is very customizable in its own right.

Edit: As far as caliber, every competitive paper puncher in the world seems to shoot the .260, 6.5x284 Norma, and some 6x47 to punch paper in F-class or the 7mm Rem Mag or .300 Win Mag if something with some knock down is needed. Recently, a local smith and competitive shooter built a rifle that has a 1300yd kill on a doe in 7mm WSM. Lastly, the more common .22-250, .25/06, or 7mm/08 are also very good long range guns.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

While there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth in response to this, IMHO .40 is very comparable with a .45 in stopping power.

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Agreed.

FWIW, I’m very interested in getting a 10mm.[/quote]

Man you and me both. I just shot a buddy of mine’s 10mm Glock and I’m in love. Too bad ammo’s so expensive.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Alright guys… Pretty damn well saved up for a new toy. Not sure what I’m looking to do. I’m thinking:

Bolt Action in some large exotic/semi-exotic caliber - looking at the new Mossberg patriot’s. I love their trigger.
SR1911 - I need a 45, and also any respectful collection has a 1911 at one point or another
Glock19 - I should get my restriction lifted in January, so I need to get some practice in this summer
Build another AR. (I’m picking up two lowers now that they are cheap before the next panic.)

This is really where I’m at right now… Leaning 1911, but really like loading rifle rounds. Also open to different carry guns than the glock. Should prob go 45 for the carry gun as I’m limited to 10 round mags, unless I can get a preban, but partial to 9mm, as I’m familiar with the round.

If I’m missing anything, let me know. [/quote]

On the subject of Glocks and carry guns.

I have a Glock 19. I like it. It is a Glock 19. There’s not much more to say about it.

I bought it as a first handgun, getting the idea that I’d carry it. It is, after all, quite light and not TOO thick. I’ve carried it before and I’ll carry it again, but the S&W Shield is sooooo much more comfortable that it is my go-to carry piece, even in the winter when concealment isn’t an issue.

With a 10 round limitation, I do not think the G19 would be worth lugging around. If you are set on a Glock for a carry piece, consider the G26, as it has 10 round mags in a much smaller form factor (although the same thickness as the G-19).

If you intend on carrying regularly, day-in, day-out, I would urge you to look into a single-stack 9mm (or other caliber in a similar form factor). I don’t have much experience with 1911’s, which are also single-stack, but I wouldn’t steer someone to a gun that large and heavy for a first carry piece.

I love my S&W Shield. I’ve also shot Kahr’s, all of which are single stacks. S&W also used to make aluminum-frame DA/SA single-stack 9’s, the name of which escapes me (3913, maybe?). I’ve heard good things about those too.

If you want to spend some money, Sig also has some great single-stack carry guns. Lots of options in that segment.

That said, plenty of people can and do carry a G19 every day. The thickness of the Glock is really what has me choosing my Shield nearly every time. The Shield is comfortable enough to wear all day in the summer while being moderately active and it absolutely disappears in just shorts and a t-shirt.

I really think that design is a great compromise between concealment, shooting performance, capacity and weight that really hits a sweet spot for a carry gun. Others agree, and single-stack handguns like the Shield are a very popular choice for a go-to carry piece.

That’s my $0.02.

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Love my Shield too. Everyone wants Glock to come out with a single stack 9 and so do I, but they are going to really have to do something special for me to trade my shield for it. Sometimes I forget I am even carrying it (is that bad?)

As far as 10 rounds limit, another consideration is the Glock 30s. 10 rounds of 45 and slightly smaller than the 19. I really considering it right now as a second carry gun to my shield.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

While there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth in response to this, IMHO .40 is very comparable with a .45 in stopping power.

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Maybe I can’t disagree I don’t know much of the science behind it. But I do know that the .40 for many has a snappier recoil than .45 and harder to place follow up shots with. So if stopping power is equal, I prefer .45.

.40 does have more capacity though…

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

While there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth in response to this, IMHO .40 is very comparable with a .45 in stopping power.

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Maybe I can’t disagree I don’t know much of the science behind it. But I do know that the .40 for many has a snappier recoil than .45 and harder to place follow up shots with. So if stopping power is equal, I prefer .45.

.40 does have more capacity though…
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Yeah, in a full size Glock for me the .40 seems to have a whippier muzzle rise while the .45 has more of a push back into your hands. It makes the .45 much easier to get back on target, but that’s just my personal experience.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
You seem like a tinkerer and the wealth of after market parts is huge for the Remington, hell you could build one from the ground up off of a Stiller action if you wanted. [/quote]

Please point me in the right direct to start research here.

Furthest I’m going to be is 600 yards until I can get out to Push country. I see the 7mm and 22-250 in the reloading places I lurk a lot. hmmm.

As for the Shield… Guys, I live in MA. Smith & Wesson is the reason our AG bans the sales of Glocks. I can’t bring myself to support that shit seeing as I know it is going on. If I didn’t…

Plus… Are you guys shooting factory triggers or getting the insert on the shields?

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Alright guys… Pretty damn well saved up for a new toy. Not sure what I’m looking to do. I’m thinking:

Bolt Action in some large exotic/semi-exotic caliber - looking at the new Mossberg patriot’s. I love their trigger.
SR1911 - I need a 45, and also any respectful collection has a 1911 at one point or another
Glock19 - I should get my restriction lifted in January, so I need to get some practice in this summer
Build another AR. (I’m picking up two lowers now that they are cheap before the next panic.)

This is really where I’m at right now… Leaning 1911, but really like loading rifle rounds. Also open to different carry guns than the glock. Should prob go 45 for the carry gun as I’m limited to 10 round mags, unless I can get a preban, but partial to 9mm, as I’m familiar with the round.

If I’m missing anything, let me know. [/quote]

I will get flamed for this, but I am not a fan of the .45, unless you get a suppressor for it. (It’s a subsonic round and make a fantastic stealth weapon.)

If you are looking for a cannon, get something that shoots .357, .44, or 10mm.

I’ve actually shot an killed an Elk with a 10mm because he walked up to the behind my stand and I would have scared him moving my rifle. It will over penetrate a human target, and a shot anywhere in the center of mass is a death sentence.

That said, don’t be afraid of the “smaller” calibers. A 9mm is fine. A .40 is a bit better.

While there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth in response to this, IMHO .40 is very comparable with a .45 in stopping power.

My wife carries a Ruger SR40C at the hospital. It’s 9+1 and a fine carry weapon. Very user-friendly with a bullet-in-chamber indicator and manual safety. Accurate and small.
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I’m down with a 10mm, lol.

I’m also leaning 9mm for carry, and have no issues with Ruger. Just have a bunch of them in my safe, so I’'m sort of becoming a fan boy on accident.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
As for the Shield… Guys, I live in MA. Smith & Wesson is the reason our AG bans the sales of Glocks. I can’t bring myself to support that shit seeing as I know it is going on. If I didn’t…

Plus… Are you guys shooting factory triggers or getting the insert on the shields? [/quote]

My Shield is stock 9mm. I think it has a pretty good trigger. I carry with the 7 rd flush mag and a spare 7rd flush mag. I do not like the 8 rounder.

I’m not necessarily suggesting you get a Shield, but you should definitely consider a single-stack, 9mm or larger carry piece of reasonable weight, which I’d put at under 30 ounces loaded for carry purposes. I will probably buy a Kahr at some point, which has a really great trigger unlike any other semi-auto I’ve shot. Every pistol they make is single stack, with variations in size (sub-compact to full-size), material (polymer and metal frames), and caliber (9mm, .40, .45).

There are plenty of other single-stack offerings from a lot of different manufacturers as well. Definitely look into these if you are serious about regular carry.

I’ll also second Maiden3.16’s suggestion of taking a look at the Glock 30SF. It is a 10-round double-stack .45 ACP of similar size to the G19. If you’re only going to have 10 rounds…

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:
If you’re only going to have 10 rounds…

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Yeah, I mean you can get pre-bans for a lot of guns, but not all. I have a couple pre-bans for my G17. Can’t for the smith guns, they weren’t made back then.

I believe it was a Kahr I shot this summer, and the trigger was too light for me, if I was going to carry it until I get more experience.

Oh, who am I kidding, I can’t buy a pistol without a 10 pund trigger in MA.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
As for the Shield… Guys, I live in MA. Smith & Wesson is the reason our AG bans the sales of Glocks. I can’t bring myself to support that shit seeing as I know it is going on. If I didn’t…

Plus… Are you guys shooting factory triggers or getting the insert on the shields? [/quote]

My Shield is stock 9mm. I think it has a pretty good trigger. I carry with the 7 rd flush mag and a spare 7rd flush mag. I do not like the 8 rounder.

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Yeah the shield iant like some of the other m&p triggers that suck. It has a audible reset and clean break. I like it better than the stock glock trigger.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
As for the Shield… Guys, I live in MA. Smith & Wesson is the reason our AG bans the sales of Glocks. I can’t bring myself to support that shit seeing as I know it is going on. If I didn’t…

Plus… Are you guys shooting factory triggers or getting the insert on the shields? [/quote]

My Shield is stock 9mm. I think it has a pretty good trigger. I carry with the 7 rd flush mag and a spare 7rd flush mag. I do not like the 8 rounder.

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Yeah the shield iant like some of the other m&p triggers that suck. It has a audible reset and clean break. I like it better than the stock glock trigger.
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Interesting. I can’t hit the barn standing in it with my buddy’s shield… I literally though he loaded blanks to fuck with me. I walked up within 8" of the target and put the last 2 through the paper to make sure they were live rounds.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hoping folks can steer me to a gun shop where I can have my pre-ban (1994) Paraordnance frame finished into a highly functional, but not extravagant, fighting 1911 pistol.

Yes, I bought it right before Slick Willie, et al, banned large capacity magazines in the 90’s. Yes, I know the ban has been lifted.

It’s been 21 years. I want to get this thing built.

Opinions on what I might in terms of parts and their makers is desired.

I can’t find a local smith to do the job.

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I don’t know what your budget is, but I hear nothing but good things about Wilson Combat

Myabe the people I know have shit taste though.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
You seem like a tinkerer and the wealth of after market parts is huge for the Remington, hell you could build one from the ground up off of a Stiller action if you wanted. [/quote]

Please point me in the right direct to start research here.

Furthest I’m going to be is 600 yards until I can get out to Push country. I see the 7mm and 22-250 in the reloading places I lurk a lot. hmmm.

Plus… Are you guys shooting factory triggers or getting the insert on the shields? [/quote]

Most rifle actions are built off a Remington 700 “footprint” i.e. the dimensions are relatively the same, but the aftermarket actions are much nicer. A plain remington action should run you close to $450. An aftermarket action is $1000+

http://www.batmachine.com/
http://surgeonrifles.com/store/products/category/shop-actions/

http://defiancemachine.com/deviant-action/
http://www.viperactions.com/
…there’s more

You then need a barrel and a gunsmith to chamber it and screw it onto the action. This requires a lathe and cutting metal to a high degree of precision. Then you need a stock. I wouldn’t recommend getting a custom rifle built until you’ve shot one a bunch and have friends with rifles that you’ve tried so you figure out what you really want.

One of the plus’s with Savages is that there is a barrel nut kinda like on an AR and you can swap barrels yourself. I’ve seen 2 savage factory rifles, both in 308 with short throats that would not chamber 175 match ammo and would jam it into the rifling. This can cause pressure issues. There’s also been a lot of report with Remington’s quality control.

I’d recommend looking at one of these: Tikka T3 CTR .260 Rem. Rifle JRTC321 for sale! - EuroOptic.com (in .308 or .260) if you’re contemplating trying a bolt gun.

I have a stock trigger in my Shield. I like it.

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http://www.1000yardhunter.com/_custom_rifles

This is who some of the guys around here use. I bought a cheaper Rem 700 ADL that had a bolt that was a little too tight from Walmart. Now I am having it trued and am piece by piece going about customizing it as I get the money. Building a bolt gun is going to run you $2500 minimum. If you buy a aftermarket action, you will start getting into that $3500+ range. Most of his custom builds seem to be on either Rems or Savages, but I did see a Weatherby thrown in there. Also, the Winchester 70 is another really popular rifle as long as it is one of the control feed types.

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This seems like as good a place to ask as any: should I get a Glock 19, or get Glock 23 and put in a 9mm barrel? They say a 23 will run 9mm fine but wouldn’t the recoil spring be stiffer? I do not want to compromise the Glock’s legendary reliability.