My bro just got a glock 23 with a lonewolf 9mm barrel… The main point i believe is to have the 9mm barrel for cheaper training and the .40 for carry so Your main concern is the reliabilty of the .40 setup. If the 9mm setup fails a few times out o 1000 rnds I wouldnt worry because its just your training barrel.
I have a 23 w/ a 9mm LW conversion barrel too. The recoil springs are the same weight in 19 and 23 and I believe the only two parts hat are different are the ejector and extractor. I never had any issues shooting 9mm out it, even carried it like that way for a couple days, which makes me wince when I think back on it. Personally, I’d just go with the 19 currently.
Also, Beans, I just thought of it but the Ruger LC9S is a carry gun I’d look at, especially if you like Ruger firearms.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
FWIW, Canyon Creek Custom got back to me and is interested in building my Para.[/quote]
Excellent news. It’s the double stack frame right? Did you talk details on the build?
I don’t know much about 1911s, but I’ve shot a couple nice USPSA competition guns and there’s a lot of directions you can go with them. Really looking forward to seeing the end product.
Well I went to the LGS fully intending on getting a Glock 30s. Called ahead even to male sure they ad them in stock. I ended up leaving with a Sig P320 carry. Happily. The gun feels awesome and everything ive read about the trigger is true. Gonna buy a subcompact frame to go along with it and ill be good to go.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Tutorial.[/quote]
It actually makes sense from a “I audit shit for a living, can I even remotely justify this line of thinking” standpoint.
That said, I never saw the appeal of an “AR Pistol” in the first place. Short barreled rifle? Sure, Pistol? no. YOu still need the buffer tube, which is why they came up with the Brace.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Whoa.
Michigan woman accidentally killed herself while adjusting bra holster, police say
What I think she did, was take the thing off, point the gun at her face, then start fiddling with the holster.
I was upland hunting in December and one of the guys I was with had a shotgun with a malfunctioning sling, set the butt of the shotgun on the ground, put his head directly over the barrel, then started fiddling with the front sling attachment. I politely called him out on being an idiot with a loaded gun.
I wouldn’t recommend the bra method as a primary means of carry, but I think there are worse designs out there for deep carry and from what I’ve seen of the designs, the trigger is well-guarded and snug.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Whoa.
Michigan woman accidentally killed herself while adjusting bra holster, police say
What I think she did, was take the thing off, point the gun at her face, then start fiddling with the holster.
I was upland hunting in December and one of the guys I was with had a shotgun with a malfunctioning sling, set the butt of the shotgun on the ground, put his head directly over the barrel, then started fiddling with the front sling attachment. I politely called him out on being an idiot with a loaded gun.
I wouldn’t recommend the bra method as a primary means of carry, but I think there are worse designs out there for deep carry and from what I’ve seen of the designs, the trigger is well-guarded and snug.
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Yeah I agree most likely not the holsters fault. Lot of well trained men carry their handgun pointed at their balls with no issue. It always seems to boil down to training.
Very good vid regarding the sig brace IMO. Some good points, espacially about how “cheeking” the brace can easily be misconstrued by LE as shouldring it.
Edit: Probably the most well thought out and clearly explained argument against the ATF opinion that I have seen
I was contemplating writing a letter to the ATF asking:
If I have an AR w/ the sig brace, shoulder it while unloaded and walk around my house going “pew, pew, pew” pretending to shoot imaginary terrorists, am committing a felony?
Is it still a felony if nobody see’s it?
What if I do it in my backyard, and my neighbor sees me?
What If I post a video of it on youtube?
[quote]theuofh wrote:
I was contemplating writing a letter to the ATF asking:
If I have an AR w/ the sig brace, shoulder it while unloaded and walk around my house going “pew, pew, pew” pretending to shoot imaginary terrorists, am committing a felony?
Is it still a felony if nobody see’s it?
What if I do it in my backyard, and my neighbor sees me?
What If I post a video of it on youtube?
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Hard to prosecute anyone without evidence.
Posting it on youtube could present a problem, if the ATF wanted to be dicks, but it more than likely wouldn’t be worth the time or resources to come after you unless you pushed them to.
What is the purpose of a SBR designation? Why was the distinction ever even made, originally?
Also, I wouldn’t F around with the ATF and post youtube vids. They could easily make your life miserable.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What is the purpose of a SBR designation? Why was the distinction ever even made, originally?
Also, I wouldn’t F around with the ATF and post youtube vids. They could easily make your life miserable.[/quote]
What if I put an unchambered barrel on it?
What if it is a dry-fire training tool versus a firearm or maybe just a decoration for my wall?
I don’t own a sig brace, and with the constantly shifting designation of what constitutes an SBR, I’m genuinely confused.
If we could only abolish the NFA this wouldn’t be an issue.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
What is the purpose of a SBR designation? Why was the distinction ever even made, originally?
Also, I wouldn’t F around with the ATF and post youtube vids. They could easily make your life miserable.[/quote]
Back at the end of Prohibition, revolvers and pistols were regulated (taxed) as much as machine guns. Consequently rifles and shotguns sawed off to thereby make a concealable weapon to circumvent the handgun regs were also heavily taxed. The tax was $200 which was fairly high back in 1934. That’s around $3500ish today, but the tax is still $200. When the NFA passed, they excluded pistols and revolvers. This left all the other items to be subject to NFA rules. Machine guns, SBR’s, short barreled shotguns, destructive devices,“silencers” aka suppressors. etc. The 16" thing didn’t come about till 1960 or so. Since then our illustrious governmet keeps moving the fucking goal posts on us and these guys keep spewing out “interpretation” letters, which backdoors the laws and messes up things.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
I was contemplating writing a letter to the ATF asking:
If I have an AR w/ the sig brace, shoulder it while unloaded and walk around my house going “pew, pew, pew” pretending to shoot imaginary terrorists, am committing a felony?
Is it still a felony if nobody see’s it?
What if I do it in my backyard, and my neighbor sees me?
What If I post a video of it on youtube?
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I think you make a good point that I havent heard discussed much. The ATF letter doesn’t seem to distinguish betweem shouldering the brace, and shouldering the brace with the INTENT TO SHOOT. Whats the difference between shouldering the brace on the range and shouldering the brace while carrying it unloads to your car? According to the letter, both make the weapon an SBR.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
I was contemplating writing a letter to the ATF asking:
If I have an AR w/ the sig brace, shoulder it while unloaded and walk around my house going “pew, pew, pew” pretending to shoot imaginary terrorists, am committing a felony?
Is it still a felony if nobody see’s it?
What if I do it in my backyard, and my neighbor sees me?
What If I post a video of it on youtube?
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I think you make a good point that I havent heard discussed much. The ATF letter doesn’t seem to distinguish betweem shouldering the brace, and shouldering the brace with the INTENT TO SHOOT. Whats the difference between shouldering the brace on the range and shouldering the brace while carrying it unloads to your car? According to the letter, both make the weapon an SBR.
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A “Rifle” is a weapon designed to be shouldered. A “pistol” is designed to be fired by holding it in the hand. THAT is the defining characteristic and classifies a weapon. It’s not the actual application of the product that defines the weapon. THIS is what the ATF is fucking up. THEY are saying that by SHOULERING the pistol with the sig brace you have “remanufactured” it into an SBR. Actually shooting the gun is irellevant. This whole BATF / NFA gun regs thing is total bullshit.
So to theoufh, YES if you do any of those things, according to the AFT, you are now a felon. IF you video yourself shoulderin the sig brace you have just screwed yourself by giving them proof of the action. If you are seen by a cop shouldering the weapon and get arrested, you can have a hell of a time defending yourself from charges thanks to this interpretation letter. We have discussed this ad nauseum on another forum and lawyers have opined as well.
I’ll get to another point, which I think is more interesting maybe in the big picture.
If one guy hypothetically were to post a pic/vid of him shouldering the brace, he becomes the nail sticking up and will get the hammer treatment.
If a very large number of people were to post of a pic/vid of themselves shouldering the brace, the guy swinging the hammer is going to look at the situation and start to question if the job of hammering in all these nails is worth it.
I should probably have consulted my lawyer before bringing up this thought experiment, but it seems this sig brace issue presents perhaps the ideal opportunity for a very effective form of peaceful, civil disobedience. It used to be legal, there’s nothing inherently dangerous in the act, and with a little create photoshopping it could even be done anonymously, or close to it, which is very important so they can’t cherry pick who to go after. Somebody could even make a fancy hashtag.
I don’t own a sig brace, am not a social leader, am unsure if this is where the gun community wants to draw a line, but I think if this idea were pitched to me in a bit more refined form I could talked into it.