Gun Love II

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here she is again, gents, my ParaRuger 14.45 Commander. Finally got her in my ever-loving hands.

Please note the extended mag. Yes, it is a 16 round’er. Since I carry Stage 1 (cocked and locked) I now have a handgun with 17 immediately available rounds of .45 ACP. I will carry both additional 14 round mags, so 45 rounds total on my person.

Shoots great but had to add a buffer to recoil spring to make it cycle properly. Don’t know if that sped things up or slowed them down just enough for proper feeding. Your thoughts?

Only shot at metal gong so far. Will get out some paper targets and see how she groups.[/quote]

Awesome. Now go buy a threaded barrel . . . [/quote]

I think I will. Tell me what it entails to get my stamp.[/quote]

Ass pain and patience.

Buy can, fill out form with ATF, wait months, get approval, bring approval to store, get can. Carry that piece of paper everywhere you have the can for life.

I know in MA I need LEO sign off (not on cans, no cans in MA period) for any class 3, but not sure if that is state law of federal.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Here she is again, gents, my ParaRuger 14.45 Commander. Finally got her in my ever-loving hands.

Please note the extended mag. Yes, it is a 16 round’er. Since I carry Stage 1 (cocked and locked) I now have a handgun with 17 immediately available rounds of .45 ACP. I will carry both additional 14 round mags, so 45 rounds total on my person.

Shoots great but had to add a buffer to recoil spring to make it cycle properly. Don’t know if that sped things up or slowed them down just enough for proper feeding. Your thoughts?

Only shot at metal gong so far. Will get out some paper targets and see how she groups.[/quote]

Awesome. Now go buy a threaded barrel . . . [/quote]

I think I will. Tell me what it entails to get my stamp.[/quote]

It’s very easy.

First find a gun store that sells suppressors.

Second, get a lawyer to form a “NFA Gun Trust.” There’s an outfit in Texas that does them; I think I can find the link. I think it’s $350.

Third, pay your money to the ATF. Gun store should mail the paperwork and a COPY of your trust.

Fourth, wait 6 months.

Fifth, get stamp and suppressor.

There is an alternative route involving getting fingerprinted, a letter from your chief law enforcement officer, and the like, but it’s a pain in the ass.

I would get a couple suppressors to make it worth your time: .22lr, .45, and .308 are my choices.

I seldom hunt anymore without a suppressor, just to avoid the hearing loss.

Good point. Forgot about the trust.

I do believe you have to have your trusts name engraved on the can/receiver though right?

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Civilian available flamethrower. Legal in MA, Beans.

http://store.xm42.com/XM42-Flamethrower-p/xm42.htm

Only Maryland restricts. $899. . . . [/quote]

I need this for reasons. I can be the doof in Mad Max flame thrower guitar

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Good point. Forgot about the trust.

I do believe you have to have your trusts name engraved on the can/receiver though right?[/quote]

Under the current ruling, you must engrave the exact wording listed on your trust documentation.

From the ATF NFA Handbook:

7.4.4 Obtaining variances to the marking requirements. Requests for variances from the marking requirements of 27 CFR 478.92 and 27 CFR 479.102 should be submitted by letter to ATF?s Firearms Technology Branch (FTB). The letter can be sent via mail to Chief, Firearms Technology Branch, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405. The letter can also be sent to the marking variance e-mail address at: marking_variances@atf.gov. The marking variance request may be submitted by any of the parties involved in the variance. However, if the primary manufacturer is in possession of all the information including the names of the identity of the secondary manufacturers and the manufacturing processes they may be performing on the firearm, it is preferred that the primary manufacturer submit the request to FTB.

The marking variance letter of request should clearly state the following information:

?manufacturer, importer, or maker of the firearm(s),
?recipient of the firearm(s),
?identify the name, city and State that will be displayed on the firearm(s),
?model designation, if designated,
?identify the type/style of firearm (pistol, machinegun, short-barreled rifle, etc.),
?caliber or gauge if assigned, and
?serial number scheme.

In identifying the serial number scheme to be used, you must supply a different serial scheme for each model and you must state the exact beginning serial number of the serial scheme you wish to use. Although letters and characters may be used, the serial number must use at least one number it the scheme. Please note, using the letter X, or the use of characters (#, *, etc.) as digit/character holders is unacceptable. For example, an incorrectly submitted serial scheme would be ALZXXXX. A correctly submitted serial scheme would be ALZ0001. You do not need to provide an ending serial number when submitting your serial number scheme.

7.4.4.1 Variances in the name and location of the manufacturer. As stated above, the regulations require firearms to be marked with the manufacturer?s name, city and State or recognized abbreviation of the information. FTB will only grant marking variances for abbreviations regarding city and State names that are commonly recognized by the United States Postal Service. If you intend to use a name or abbreviation other than your licensed name or recognized abbreviation, you must contact the Federal Firearms Licensing Center and complete ATF Form 5300.38 to have your Federal Firearms License amended to reflect the addition of a trade name or a ?doing business as? name to your license. You may not use a name or abbreviation until it is approved.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[quote]Bauber wrote:
From the ATF NFA Handbook:

7.4.4 Obtaining variances to the marking requirements. Requests for variances from the marking requirements of 27 CFR 478.92 and 27 CFR 479.102 should be submitted by letter to ATF?s Firearms Technology Branch (FTB). The letter can be sent via mail to Chief, Firearms Technology Branch, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405. The letter can also be sent to the marking variance e-mail address at: marking_variances@atf.gov. The marking variance request may be submitted by any of the parties involved in the variance. However, if the primary manufacturer is in possession of all the information including the names of the identity of the secondary manufacturers and the manufacturing processes they may be performing on the firearm, it is preferred that the primary manufacturer submit the request to FTB.

The marking variance letter of request should clearly state the following information:

?manufacturer, importer, or maker of the firearm(s),
?recipient of the firearm(s),
?identify the name, city and State that will be displayed on the firearm(s),
?model designation, if designated,
?identify the type/style of firearm (pistol, machinegun, short-barreled rifle, etc.),
?caliber or gauge if assigned, and
?serial number scheme.

In identifying the serial number scheme to be used, you must supply a different serial scheme for each model and you must state the exact beginning serial number of the serial scheme you wish to use. Although letters and characters may be used, the serial number must use at least one number it the scheme. Please note, using the letter X, or the use of characters (#, *, etc.) as digit/character holders is unacceptable. For example, an incorrectly submitted serial scheme would be ALZXXXX. A correctly submitted serial scheme would be ALZ0001. You do not need to provide an ending serial number when submitting your serial number scheme.

7.4.4.1 Variances in the name and location of the manufacturer. As stated above, the regulations require firearms to be marked with the manufacturer?s name, city and State or recognized abbreviation of the information. FTB will only grant marking variances for abbreviations regarding city and State names that are commonly recognized by the United States Postal Service. If you intend to use a name or abbreviation other than your licensed name or recognized abbreviation, you must contact the Federal Firearms Licensing Center and complete ATF Form 5300.38 to have your Federal Firearms License amended to reflect the addition of a trade name or a ?doing business as? name to your license. You may not use a name or abbreviation until it is approved.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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That’s completely wrong. You only need to engrave the information on items YOU MANUFACTURE – e.g., a SBR, short shot gun.

Not your fault, though. This rumor floats around gun websites all the time.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Good point. Forgot about the trust.

I do believe you have to have your trusts name engraved on the can/receiver though right?[/quote]

MA has laws in addition to federal laws. Shocker, I know.

The engraving bit is bro-knowledge from gun sources and completely wrong.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
From the ATF NFA Handbook:

7.4.4 Obtaining variances to the marking requirements. Requests for variances from the marking requirements of 27 CFR 478.92 and 27 CFR 479.102 should be submitted by letter to ATF?s Firearms Technology Branch (FTB). The letter can be sent via mail to Chief, Firearms Technology Branch, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405. The letter can also be sent to the marking variance e-mail address at: marking_variances@atf.gov. The marking variance request may be submitted by any of the parties involved in the variance. However, if the primary manufacturer is in possession of all the information including the names of the identity of the secondary manufacturers and the manufacturing processes they may be performing on the firearm, it is preferred that the primary manufacturer submit the request to FTB.

The marking variance letter of request should clearly state the following information:

?manufacturer, importer, or maker of the firearm(s),
?recipient of the firearm(s),
?identify the name, city and State that will be displayed on the firearm(s),
?model designation, if designated,
?identify the type/style of firearm (pistol, machinegun, short-barreled rifle, etc.),
?caliber or gauge if assigned, and
?serial number scheme.

In identifying the serial number scheme to be used, you must supply a different serial scheme for each model and you must state the exact beginning serial number of the serial scheme you wish to use. Although letters and characters may be used, the serial number must use at least one number it the scheme. Please note, using the letter X, or the use of characters (#, *, etc.) as digit/character holders is unacceptable. For example, an incorrectly submitted serial scheme would be ALZXXXX. A correctly submitted serial scheme would be ALZ0001. You do not need to provide an ending serial number when submitting your serial number scheme.

7.4.4.1 Variances in the name and location of the manufacturer. As stated above, the regulations require firearms to be marked with the manufacturer?s name, city and State or recognized abbreviation of the information. FTB will only grant marking variances for abbreviations regarding city and State names that are commonly recognized by the United States Postal Service. If you intend to use a name or abbreviation other than your licensed name or recognized abbreviation, you must contact the Federal Firearms Licensing Center and complete ATF Form 5300.38 to have your Federal Firearms License amended to reflect the addition of a trade name or a ?doing business as? name to your license. You may not use a name or abbreviation until it is approved.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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That’s completely wrong. You only need to engrave the information on items YOU MANUFACTURE – e.g., a SBR, short shot gun.

Not your fault, though. This rumor floats around gun websites all the time.[/quote]

Right all that info on ones manufactured, but you still must engrave the entire name as put on the trust paperwork correct? As in you must spell out without abbreviating was my understanding as listed in Form 1 in the living trust.

Or is that incorrect as well?

Manufacturing and trusts are two completely different aspects. With a trust being a legal entity… I need to look further into this and pull some of this shit up on westlaw.

[quote]Bauber wrote:

Right all that info on ones manufactured, but you still must engrave the entire name as put on the trust paperwork correct? As in you must spell out without abbreviating was my understanding as listed in Form 1 in the living trust.

Or is that incorrect as well?

Manufacturing and trusts are two completely different aspects. With a trust being a legal entity… I need to look further into this and pull some of this shit up on westlaw.[/quote]

No, you don’t have to do anything to the weapon. You list it on a schedule on the trust.

You do need a copy of the tax stamp and preferably trust with you (i.e., in your truck).

I know all this not only theoretically, I’ve been stopped on my own ranch by ATF agents and DEA agents (who were trespassing) and tried to find something to arrest me for because I told them to get the fuck off my property — they were probably trying to poach elk.

Not sure where the “engrave” B.S. came from but it’s all over internet forums posted by the equivalent of steroids “experts” who design stupid 1g cycles for newbies.

Does anybody know anything about going the LLC route for NFA items? I’m personally leaning this direction versus a trust.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Suweet little piece on beta males and guns:

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The guy* that wrote the original tripe, Dadscribe, was subsequently destroyed in every way imaginable on social media, and I find it hilarious. Rather than defend his position, he called anyone who disagreed a “zealot” made his blog private, deleted his facebook page, block anyone and everyone, and deleted almost all mention of it from his life. And he has the nerve to call other people “zealots”.

Also, for someone who calls fancies himself a super StarWars fan he sure as shit likes to pretend Han didn’t shoot first. (go to waybackmachine.com and search for his Han Solo taught me to be a dad bullshit.)

Dude is a social reject, and I feel sorry for his wife more than his kids, and then secondarily his kid’s future wives… They will pine for an actual man in their lives for the entirety of their marriage.

*hard to refer to anyone afraid fo a sticker as anything remotely close to related to masculine.

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Does anybody know anything about going the LLC route for NFA items? I’m personally leaning this direction versus a trust. [/quote]

Not a “gun lawyer” here, but I do know that LLCs are publicly filed and have annual fees for the state, plus various taxes depending on where you are. Trusts, in contrast, are private.

So it would seem to be more expensive. I suppose if you have an existing business it would work, but then the weapons would be assets of that existing business.

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Finally approved for a carry permit in NYC. The other doctors are mighty impressed. Already shot 200 rounds.

Sig P938, NY compliant, 9mm

I picked this one because it is small and pretty. It is single action only, so I carry it “cocked and locked,” like my man (although he is not single action only). Very accurate b/c single action. Exceedingly concealable.

– Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]

I had one of those. I really liked it. I did have some problems with it. First a rivet pin or soemthing broke causing all sorts of malfunctions and I sent it to Sig and they fixed it. Later I took it down to clean and the firing pin spring was broke in half. It still shot fine but I did the pen test and it was a much lighter primer strike. After that I ditched it for a S&W shield.
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They fixed all those issues, but there is a finite list of weapons you can get approved in NYC, especially now that magazines are so limited. She didn’t want a revolver. So it is what it is.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Finally approved for a carry permit in NYC. The other doctors are mighty impressed. Already shot 200 rounds.

Sig P938, NY compliant, 9mm

I picked this one because it is small and pretty. It is single action only, so I carry it “cocked and locked,” like my man (although he is not single action only). Very accurate b/c single action. Exceedingly concealable.

– Mrs. Jewbacca[/quote]

I had one of those. I really liked it. I did have some problems with it. First a rivet pin or soemthing broke causing all sorts of malfunctions and I sent it to Sig and they fixed it. Later I took it down to clean and the firing pin spring was broke in half. It still shot fine but I did the pen test and it was a much lighter primer strike. After that I ditched it for a S&W shield.
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They fixed all those issues, but there is a finite list of weapons you can get approved in NYC, especially now that magazines are so limited. She didn’t want a revolver. So it is what it is.[/quote]

I had one of the fixed ones, but I picked it up at an LGS and the last one they had was in the cabinet so who knows how much damage was done to it being handled by everybody that walked through the store.

I thought it was a great gun, but I’d just keep an eye on it as rounds go through it in practice. Very easy to shoot too.

Thanks for input on going through LLC.

What would cause a shotgun to have no trigger tension and firing pin not work? I’m thinking the sear spring has failed?

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
What would cause a shotgun to have no trigger tension and firing pin not work? I’m thinking the sear spring has failed? [/quote]

fixed, firing assembly had some crud in it.