Gun Control

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
I know you Americans truly love your guns, but I personally feel that banning the ownership of guns or having some type of gun control law would prevent or at least reduce the number of shootings you have.

tweet[/quote]

Most gun deaths are caused by the coppers.

They love to shoot people.[/quote]

Which is why I pointed out earlier these gun control people rarely talk about taking away the guns from policemen.

Guns are bad, except in the hands of government employees! What could possibly go wrong?

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[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
I know you Americans truly love your guns, but I personally feel that banning the ownership of guns or having some type of gun control law would prevent or at least reduce the number of shootings you have.

tweet[/quote]

Most gun deaths are caused by the coppers.

They love to shoot people.[/quote]

Which is why I pointed out earlier these gun control people rarely talk about taking away the guns from policemen.

Guns are bad, except in the hands of government employees! What could possibly go wrong? [/quote]

I like it when you back track it’s one of the most amusing things that you do around here.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Someone else who can’t look at an issue without political goggles on. Allowing your hatred of liberals to govern your opinions is no better than liberals doing the same when it comes to conservatives. You both stand on common ground on one thing at least. [/quote]

I am neither a liberal hater nor a conservative.

I am my own person and I am looking at the issue with my eyes wide opened.

I express my opinions as I will.

Take your political goggles off before you judge me.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

[/quote]

You have a personal vendetta with me. That is fine. You aren’t even reading my posts and you’re clogging up every thread I enter with your nasty attitude towards me. Quit ruining threads.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
I know you Americans truly love your guns, but I personally feel that banning the ownership of guns or having some type of gun control law would prevent or at least reduce the number of shootings you have.

tweet[/quote]

Most gun deaths are caused by the coppers.

They love to shoot people.[/quote]

Which is why I pointed out earlier these gun control people rarely talk about taking away the guns from policemen.

Guns are bad, except in the hands of government employees! What could possibly go wrong? [/quote]

I like it when you back track it’s one of the most amusing things that you do around here.[/quote]

I haven’t back tracked ONE time. I’ve been completely consistent in this thread. Re-read my posts from the beginning and leave your hate fest out of yet another thread you good for nothing troll.

I said if I honestly thought peace and rainbows would fall out of the sky and all evil would cease I’d give up my guns. Then I laid out WHY that wouldn’t happen and why getting rid of guns wouldn’t lead to what gun control people think.

Now buzz off troll before I report you for trying to ruin yet another thread.

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Please read, kind of eye opening and why I think there are more types of these instances.

Most of the ones I know(ie: worked in) are also populated largely by Drug Addicts andpeople with suicidal tendencies and not the mentaly unstable. Edited copied wrong link.

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Zeb,

Leave H factor alone his stating the truth in that IF and a big IF handing in our guns it would solve this issue…but it won’t and he knows it he is just making a stastent, He agrees with you.

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Zeb,

Leave H factor alone his stating the truth in that IF and a big IF handing in our guns it would solve this issue…but it won’t and he knows it he is just making a stastent, He agrees with you.

[/quote]

Rick, Zeb and H have a running flirt, eh, I mean feud going.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

[/quote]
Damn Zeb, I am laughing out loud like a nutso reading your posts to h factor
but come on the guy has said he owns guns and doesn’t think guns should be taken away
Let’s move on, you have a lot more to offer the thread than that.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

How did aforementioned psycho get the guns? That’s right, his mother legally purchased them.[/quote]

So he stole them? Which means that he was willing to break the law to acquire the weapons he used?[/quote]

I had to point this exact thing out in the GAL thread about this topic. These guys are so exacting when it comes to picking apart every gossamer fiber of your defense, but blindly pass right over gaping moth holes like these in their own arguments. [/quote]

Gaping hole? you mean like he “stole” them from his mother? I’m sure he had to fight through security, pick locks, design a sophisticated hacking program to infiltrate top level security to steeaaal them from his Mom. All so that his mom could have the right to shoot at paper. Because everybody knows how important holes in paper is to the world.

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Btw, I don’t know what version of the 2nd Amendment or associated documents you’ve been reading, but it has nothing, nothing to do with “the right to shoot at paper.”

Just what is it you think Thomas Jefferson was talking about when he drafted the 2nd Amendment? Paintball? [/quote]

My bad I wasn’t aware that Adam Lanza’s mother was Thomas Jefferson.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Airtruth -

Did you ever acquire alcohol before you were 21 y.o?[/quote]

Yes, and like guns alcohol is legal. So what’s your point?

Remember America did try to ban alcohol.

Maybe we should legalize coke and meth since anybody can obtain it illegally. Hell let’s legalize crime since anybody can do it illegally.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Zeb,

Leave H factor alone his stating the truth in that IF and a big IF handing in our guns it would solve this issue…but it won’t and he knows it he is just making a stastent, He agrees with you.

[/quote]

Rick, Zeb and H have a running flirt, eh, I mean feud going. [/quote]

Pretty much this. I made him look bad in one thread a while back and he can’t get over it so trolls every thread I enter. Hell I don’t think he even post anymore unless it’s to troll me. All I ever try to do is defend myself from the constant trolling he starts all the time.

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[quote]treco wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

[/quote]
Damn Zeb, I am laughing out loud like a nutso reading your posts to h factor
but come on the guy has said he owns guns and doesn’t think guns should be taken away
Let’s move on, you have a lot more to offer the thread than that.[/quote]

You will be hard pressed to find someone argue against gun control more passionately than me. You can look here or in the 2nd Amendment thread. I don’t even think the Constitution part is the most important. The most vital tool in my families safety plan is to be armed.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]treco wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

[/quote]
Damn Zeb, I am laughing out loud like a nutso reading your posts to h factor
but come on the guy has said he owns guns and doesn’t think guns should be taken away
Let’s move on, you have a lot more to offer the thread than that.[/quote]

You will be hard pressed to find someone argue against gun control more passionately than me. You can look here or in the 2nd Amendment thread. I don’t even think the Constitution part is the most important. The most vital tool in my families safety plan is to be armed. [/quote]

What is 1 example situation where a gun is really important to you and should not be taken away?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

How did aforementioned psycho get the guns? That’s right, his mother legally purchased them.[/quote]

So he stole them? Which means that he was willing to break the law to acquire the weapons he used?[/quote]

From his own mother. Who would he have stolen these guns from if his mother or relatives didn’t have them?

I’m not for banning guns by the way.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]treco wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
pushharder wrote
H factor wrote:

…You’re telling me you wouldn’t give up your guns to stop Friday’s shooting? To stop the Aurora one? To stop Virgina Tech?..

I would not give them up. It doesn’t matter what scenario you cook up.

The point was not to actually give them up[/quote]

Yet, above you said that you would give them up because you’re a good little lefty.

You’re an emotional wreck H factor. Just like most other liberals you are not thinking rationally.

“Sniff, sniff guns kill people therefore guns are baaaaaad.”

[/quote]
Damn Zeb, I am laughing out loud like a nutso reading your posts to h factor
but come on the guy has said he owns guns and doesn’t think guns should be taken away
Let’s move on, you have a lot more to offer the thread than that.[/quote]

You will be hard pressed to find someone argue against gun control more passionately than me. You can look here or in the 2nd Amendment thread. I don’t even think the Constitution part is the most important. The most vital tool in my families safety plan is to be armed. [/quote]

What is 1 example situation where a gun is really important to you and should not be taken away?[/quote]

Crackhead breaks into your house.

There are plenty of examples for the need for access to firearms, just not great ones for the need to access for anything over a pistol or other light weapons.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

How did aforementioned psycho get the guns? That’s right, his mother legally purchased them.[/quote]

So he stole them? Which means that he was willing to break the law to acquire the weapons he used?[/quote]

I had to point this exact thing out in the GAL thread about this topic. These guys are so exacting when it comes to picking apart every gossamer fiber of your defense, but blindly pass right over gaping moth holes like these in their own arguments. [/quote]

Gaping hole? you mean like he “stole” them from his mother? I’m sure he had to fight through security, pick locks, design a sophisticated hacking program to infiltrate top level security to steeaaal them from his Mom. All so that his mom could have the right to shoot at paper. Because everybody knows how important holes in paper is to the world.

[/quote]

Btw, I don’t know what version of the 2nd Amendment or associated documents you’ve been reading, but it has nothing, nothing to do with “the right to shoot at paper.”

Just what is it you think Thomas Jefferson was talking about when he drafted the 2nd Amendment? Paintball? [/quote]

My bad I wasn’t aware that Adam Lanza’s mother was Thomas Jefferson.
[/quote]

I read that she had bought the guns for self defense. I understood that it also became a hobbie because “she enjoyed the single mindedness of shooting”.

The question to ask is why a mother of a mentally ill child takes him to a shooting range?

For all we know she might be training him to use them to potentially defend her or defend himself.
She seemed very protective and hopeful for him in having a normal life.
Maybe she even thought since he was mummy’s boy he would only use the guns to defend her.

There was no father in the picture and she could have clung to that boy in a way as to replace the emotional connection appropriate for a husband and wife only.

A lot of women replace the emotional void left by a man with one of their children; preferably a male child, usually the weakest one.

We don’t know the degree of trust and/or expectation and why he was ever exposed to her guns.

This has nothing to do with shooting paper.

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Personal protection for myself, my family, friends, or even strangers. How many examples do you need? We could come up with hundreds of scenarios where a gun would be MY and THERE best defense against harm. What other reason do you need for why it shouldn’t be taken away? The safety of my loved ones isn’t good enough for you?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I read that she had bought the guns for self defense. I understood that it also became a hobbie because “she enjoyed the single mindedness of shooting”.

The question to ask is why a mother of a mentally ill child takes him to a shooting range?

For all we know she might be training him to use them to potentially defend her or defend himself.
She seemed very protective and hopeful for him in having a normal life.
Maybe she even thought since he was mummy’s boy he would only use the guns to defend her.

There was no father in the picture and she could have clung to that boy in a way as to replace the emotional connection appropriate for a husband and wife only.

A lot of women replace the emotional void left by a man with one of their children; preferably a male child, usually the weakest one.

We don’t know the degree of trust and/or expectation and why he was ever exposed to her guns.

This has nothing to do with shooting paper.[/quote]

At which point, you start to think that maybe she wasn’t the best person to decide if that number and type of firearms was appropriate in her house.