[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Came across this on another website I frequent
That could be the start of a very bad situation, imagine the outcry if there was footage of a Marine Corp vet being dragged out because he did not submit a weapon he was supposed to by some bogus law.
Obama is playing with fire on this, more so than the tax issue.
This idea of going after high capacity mags is only the foot in the door, they are going to go after all guns, watch and see.
2011 – murders by hammer 496, murders by assault rifle, approx 40 (323 by long gun, total)
2011 – murders by fists 651
2005 murders by hammer 605, murders by rifles 445 (approx 32 by "assault rifle)
WE NEED HAMMER AND FIST CONTROL!
THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE A FIST OR HAMMER UNLESS YOU ARE A CARPENTER!
ALL HANDS MUST BE REGISTERED! YOU SHOULD HAVE A LICENSE TO MAKE A FIST!
What happens if a crazy person makes a fist? Or has a hammer? THE CHILDREN! Think of the Children!
For G-d’s sake, the CHILDREN!
Wasn’t an officer already given a prison sentence for turning in his gun in New York?
Isn’t that just as crazy as a violation?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
That could be the start of a very bad situation, imagine the outcry if there was footage of a Marine Corp vet being dragged out because he did not submit a weapon he was supposed to by some bogus law.
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The PR department will make sure it happens under the cover of night or such.
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No one cares. You can even be kidnapped and dragged back to communist Cuba and no one cars.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This idea of going after high capacity mags is only the foot in the door, they are going to go after all guns, watch and see. [/quote]
Maybe the fiscal cliff will keep them busy enough so they forget about that one.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This idea of going after high capacity mags is only the foot in the door, they are going to go after all guns, watch and see. [/quote]
Maybe the fiscal cliff will keep them busy enough so they forget about that one.[/quote]
You mean that pathetic attempt at paying down every dollar spent by throwing 6 pennies at it ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
That could be the start of a very bad situation, imagine the outcry if there was footage of a Marine Corp vet being dragged out because he did not submit a weapon he was supposed to by some bogus law.
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Felon. This gentleman would no longer be a Marine in the eyes of the public, but a gun-crazed felon who refuses to comply with a law passed by Congress and signed in to law by the President of the United States.
When it comes down to it, first they will require mandatory registration with mandatory fines and jail time for non-compliance. They they will outlaw ownership. At that point, anyone not in compliance is a felon and will be looked at accordingly by the vast majority of the public.
And really, when push comes to shove, what will you do when they come for your guns? Shoot an ATF agent? Murder the kid from the State Police who drew the short straw? I’m not. Nor will the vast, vast, vast majority of gun owners.
How much time are you willing to spend in prison if you’re illegal stash of firearms is found? Are you willing to miss seeing your kids grow up? To lose your right to vote? To never be able to hold another job that doesn’t involve mowing lawn or washing dishes since you’re a felon with a gun charge?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No one cares. You can even be kidnapped and dragged back to communist Cuba and no one cars.[/quote]
Look at the fear in that child’s face.
They have got him for life.
Domination and control only works if fear is present.
By instilling fear in people you violate their spirit.
Once the spirit of a man is broken he can no longer fight.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
No one cares. You can even be kidnapped and dragged back to communist Cuba and no one cars.[/quote]
Look at the fear in that child’s face.
They have got him for life.
Domination and control only works if fear is present.
By instilling fear in people you violate their spirit.
Once the spirit of a man is broken he can no longer fight.
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Unless he is reborn (not necessarily in the religious sense).
Before rebirth must come ruin.
That child probably is ruined, it will be up to him to rebuild himself.
Should he be reborn, he can again be destroyed, for it is a known territory for him.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Look at the fear in that child’s face.
They have got him for life.
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That’s Elian Gonzalez.
Given that he was forcibly deported to Cuba by the Clinton adminstration in a not-so-subtle attack on the uppity Florida Cuban population, I’d say, yes, indeed, they have him for life.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This idea of going after high capacity mags is only the foot in the door, they are going to go after all guns, watch and see. [/quote]
Maybe the fiscal cliff will keep them busy enough so they forget about that one.[/quote]
You mean that pathetic attempt at paying down every dollar spent by throwing 6 pennies at it ?[/quote]
This a good or bad thing?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason I wrote what I did above was T-bolt’s negative comments about this drawing.
He thought it was terrible that someone would depict an ATF agent intimidating Lady Liberty.
I’d suggest Elian Gonzalez was just as innocent as the Lady.[/quote]
Push I usually agree with you for the majority of posts that I read of yours. However I’m not sure you’re remembering the Elian situation correctly.
The reason why the police had to go into the house was because Elian’s family and some other people(the guy holding Elian isn’t even a family member, If I remember correctly he’s like the shipmate who found him or something along those lines.) wouldn’t release Elian back to his family in Cuba. Elian and his mother left Cuba and Elian’s father to come to America illegaly (or I guess legally…something about if you can get here you can stay here…) During the voyage his mother died, and becaue Elian was a minor he did not have the same rights as adults that flee cuba and come to America.
Elians family that was in America was from his mothers side however when his father learned of Elian surviving he requested that he be brought back to Cuba. Obviously that American family didn’t agree with this, but as Im sure you will agree they had no fucking say about it. It was up to Elian’s father what happened to him. If the family released Elian like they should have, those police officers you see in the picture never would have had to enter the house.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason I wrote what I did above was T-bolt’s negative comments about this drawing.
He thought it was terrible that someone would depict an ATF agent intimidating Lady Liberty.
I’d suggest Elian Gonzalez was just as innocent as the Lady.[/quote]
Push I usually agree with you for the majority of posts that I read of yours. However I’m not sure you’re remembering the Elian situation correctly.
The reason why the police had to go into the house was because Elian’s family and some other people(the guy holding Elian isn’t even a family member, If I remember correctly he’s like the shipmate who found him or something along those lines.) wouldn’t release Elian back to his family in Cuba. Elian and his mother left Cuba and Elian’s father to come to America illegaly (or I guess legally…something about if you can get here you can stay here…) During the voyage his mother died, and becaue Elian was a minor he did not have the same rights as adults that flee cuba and come to America.
Elians family that was in America was from his mothers side however when his father learned of Elian surviving he requested that he be brought back to Cuba. Obviously that American family didn’t agree with this, but as Im sure you will agree they had no fucking say about it. It was up to Elian’s father what happened to him. If the family released Elian like they should have, those police officers you see in the picture never would have had to enter the house.[/quote]
That’s why I didn’t think that picture was the best choice for this thread. There is a big difference between a soldier pointing a gun at a citizen vs non-citizen (or someone harboring a non-citizen).
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason I wrote what I did above was T-bolt’s negative comments about this drawing.
He thought it was terrible that someone would depict an ATF agent intimidating Lady Liberty.
I’d suggest Elian Gonzalez was just as innocent as the Lady.[/quote]
Push I usually agree with you for the majority of posts that I read of yours. However I’m not sure you’re remembering the Elian situation correctly.
The reason why the police had to go into the house was because Elian’s family and some other people(the guy holding Elian isn’t even a family member, If I remember correctly he’s like the shipmate who found him or something along those lines.) wouldn’t release Elian back to his family in Cuba. Elian and his mother left Cuba and Elian’s father to come to America illegaly (or I guess legally…something about if you can get here you can stay here…) During the voyage his mother died, and becaue Elian was a minor he did not have the same rights as adults that flee cuba and come to America.
Elians family that was in America was from his mothers side however when his father learned of Elian surviving he requested that he be brought back to Cuba. Obviously that American family didn’t agree with this, but as Im sure you will agree they had no fucking say about it. It was up to Elian’s father what happened to him. If the family released Elian like they should have, those police officers you see in the picture never would have had to enter the house.[/quote]
I recall it basically as you did. There was a bit more to it but the bottom line is the photo is accurate; it speaks for itself. Jack-booted thugs under the Jack-booted Thug in Chief, – Janet Reno – the murderess of innocents at Waco, used unnecessary force to reinforce the idea that the United States federal government plays second fiddle to no one, not even God himself. It now thinks itself the Czar of North America.
It was unnecessary. I remember it well.[/quote]
Perhaps one aspect of this that turned out positively is that Clinton had repeatedly expressed his intention to create, from nothing and of course with no Constitutional authority, a one hundred thousand man “national police force.”
Perhaps he might have been able to do it, had it not been for Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Elian Gonzales. He certainly had the intent and according to my husband, the strong support of the Democratic party. But, again according to my husband, millions of people in general became very leery of the idea of a Federal national police force after seeing these horrors.
