[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I would like to ask some of you here, how old you were when you first were introduced and instructed with firearms ?[/quote]
I was raised to see guns as an American icon, through Hollywood right on down to my parents. I was never, in any way, deterred from using them if I wanted or learning about them. They were just something you had if you had, didn’t if you didn’t, and things criminals used to get away with their crimes.
I however didn’t get my hands on exposure to them until an adult and made my own choice t do so. Family wasn’t big hunters and spent their money on other stuff. I decided I wanted to practice some freedom now and again.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I would like to ask some of you here, how old you were when you first were introduced and instructed with firearms ?
Did you guys learn from a father or older male figure as a kid ? Or did you learn about guns as adults ? [/quote]
Got a single shot .410, my first gun, at 7, killed my first deer that year with my dad. Got a 30/30 lever from my grandpa at 10, 16 gauge that same year. My dad and grandpa taught me all of my gun handling. I grew up with one in my hands so it never was a big deal to me. When I was too little to really use one, dad still took me hunting with him so I learned a lot just walking around with him. He would let me take a bb gun occasionally. I still remember standing on a stump in a cut over shooting at a deer with my bb gun during a drive or trying to sneak up on doves that landed so I could take out a couple myself. Fun times.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I would like to ask some of you here, how old you were when you first were introduced and instructed with firearms ?
Did you guys learn from a father or older male figure as a kid ? Or did you learn about guns as adults ? [/quote]
I had a Red Ryder BB gun as a child, but my mother was vehemently anti-gun. We had none in the house and I had no real exposure to them or instruction from Dad.
So of course, as an adult, I have taken an interest in them. I have now taken 3 NRA courses, watched countless youtube video and read about a dozen books on the subject. I took my first NRA safety course - a basic handgun safety class - before purchasing my first gun, a Glock 19. I purchased it when I was 31. I am now 34.
Boy Scout camp when I was 12. My parents would send me to camp for the week with an extra $20 to spend at the canteen. You could go to the firing range and get twenty .22 bullets for 50 cents or five 12 gauge shells for $1. I came home one year with a bruise from my ribs, up to my clavicle and down to my elbow from the shotgun range.
Went rabbit hunting with my dad and grandpa when I was about 6. Almost threw up from the smell of the rabbit guts. Been hunting and shooting ever since. Got my first gun, a Marlin 336 30-30, when I was 12. Still have it. Shot my first antelope in WY with it before I bought something with a bit more range.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Went rabbit hunting with my dad and grandpa when I was about 6. Almost threw up from the smell of the rabbit guts. Been hunting and shooting ever since. Got my first gun, a Marlin 336 30-30, when I was 12. Still have it. Shot my first antelope in WY with it before I bought something with a bit more range.[/quote]
Inside 100 yds, and especially if hunting relatively thick stuff, that gun is one of the greatest ever made. It is probably responsible for the death of more deer than any other gun made.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Went rabbit hunting with my dad and grandpa when I was about 6. Almost threw up from the smell of the rabbit guts. Been hunting and shooting ever since. Got my first gun, a Marlin 336 30-30, when I was 12. Still have it. Shot my first antelope in WY with it before I bought something with a bit more range.[/quote]
Inside 100 yds, and especially if hunting relatively thick stuff, that gun is one of the greatest ever made. It is probably responsible for the death of more deer than any other gun made. [/quote]
Those Hornady FTX LEVERevolution rounds now make it a 200 yd gun.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Went rabbit hunting with my dad and grandpa when I was about 6. Almost threw up from the smell of the rabbit guts. Been hunting and shooting ever since. Got my first gun, a Marlin 336 30-30, when I was 12. Still have it. Shot my first antelope in WY with it before I bought something with a bit more range.[/quote]
Inside 100 yds, and especially if hunting relatively thick stuff, that gun is one of the greatest ever made. It is probably responsible for the death of more deer than any other gun made. [/quote]
Those Hornady FTX LEVERevolution rounds now make it a 200 yd gun.
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I haven’t gotten them to consistently pattern out of mine. Which mine has always been very picky with the ammunition. I do shoot the .45/70s out of my single shot though. For .30/30 I stick with the Winchester Ballistic Silvertip or old school Winchester hollow points.
9 year shoots instructor by accident at a gun range.[/quote]
Letting a 9 year old girl shoot a fully automatic weapon was a poor decision. I recall a very similar incident a few years ago.
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The instructor is shitty and paid the ultimate price for being dumb.
Uzi’s are fucking awful guns, just awful. I’ve shot a couple, mini’s and full size and I’m all set ever shooting one again, or being around anyone shooting one. Fuck Uzi. (Sorry Jewbacca, your people dropped the ball on that one.)
That being said, I’m not 100% opposed to a young person, with experience shooting,* doing an ammo dump with a FA RIFLE. (Not a fucking 4 inch barrel in 9mm on a fucking mini uzi.)
If this guy had 4 hands on that firearm like he should have this wouldn’t have happened. Fuck that instructor, fuck that place for renting a mini Uzi to beginners and fuck those parents for being okay with it. I do feel for the little girl.
*This little girl would have gotten enough thrills with a good group with a 22 rifle, and maybe a couple smaller caliber handguns. The fuck she was handed a mini Uzi for is beyond me, but that said a good instructor could hand a mini to 1000 kids that age and have zero “accidents”. Fuck.
9 year shoots instructor by accident at a gun range.[/quote]
Letting a 9 year old girl shoot a fully automatic weapon was a poor decision. I recall a very similar incident a few years ago.
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The instructor is shitty and paid the ultimate price for being dumb.
Uzi’s are fucking awful guns, just awful. I’ve shot a couple, mini’s and full size and I’m all set ever shooting one again, or being around anyone shooting one. Fuck Uzi. (Sorry Jewbacca, your people dropped the ball on that one.)
That being said, I’m not 100% opposed to a young person, with experience shooting,* doing an ammo dump with a FA RIFLE. (Not a fucking 4 inch barrel in 9mm on a fucking mini uzi.)
If this guy had 4 hands on that firearm like he should have this wouldn’t have happened. Fuck that instructor, fuck that place for renting a mini Uzi to beginners and fuck those parents for being okay with it. I do feel for the little girl.
*This little girl would have gotten enough thrills with a good group with a 22 rifle, and maybe a couple smaller caliber handguns. The fuck she was handed a mini Uzi for is beyond me, but that said a good instructor could hand a mini to 1000 kids that age and have zero “accidents”. Fuck. [/quote]
I agree with all this. Why were his hands not on the damn gun? I have seen grown men nearly let those things get away from them. What possibly made this seem like a good idea?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The fuck she was handed a mini Uzi for is beyond me, but that said a good instructor could hand a mini to 1000 kids that age and have zero “accidents”. Fuck. [/quote]
But is it still a good idea to have 9 year old girls handle a weapon that can go fully automatic?
I’m sure she could have handled a simple, low-caliber handgun or a .22 rifle.
See, I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that most the gun issues in the U.S. comes from the fact that everyone disrespects the gun. The hardcore NRA folks are all “Oh, guns are PERFECTLY safe!” while the hardcore anti-gun folks are all “OMG GUNS ARE EVIL”
And you have people who actually respect guns, having been around them all their life and having literally seen what big bullets can do to big fucking animals like deer with a single shot, shaking their heads.
What I don’t get is, why do the responsible gun owners let the narrative be stolen from them by the hardcore NRA? I know that this is more an issue with the media, but you’d think there would be a bit more of a response from the responsible folks. It feels like the NRA’s message is getting more and more radicalized because they think the opposite camp is winning.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The fuck she was handed a mini Uzi for is beyond me, but that said a good instructor could hand a mini to 1000 kids that age and have zero “accidents”. Fuck. [/quote]
But is it still a good idea to have 9 year old girls handle a weapon that can go fully automatic?
I’m sure she could have handled a simple, low-caliber handgun or a .22 rifle.
See, I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that most the gun issues in the U.S. comes from the fact that everyone disrespects the gun. The hardcore NRA folks are all “Oh, guns are PERFECTLY safe!” while the hardcore anti-gun folks are all “OMG GUNS ARE EVIL”
And you have people who actually respect guns, having been around them all their life and having literally seen what big bullets can do to big fucking animals like deer with a single shot, shaking their heads.
What I don’t get is, why do the responsible gun owners let the narrative be stolen from them by the hardcore NRA? I know that this is more an issue with the media, but you’d think there would be a bit more of a response from the responsible folks. It feels like the NRA’s message is getting more and more radicalized because they think the opposite camp is winning.[/quote]
Have you ever actually read anything put out by the NRA? Or are you reading what others are writing about the NRA? Can you give a specific example of an argument that the NRA is advancing that is, to use your words, unreasonably “hardcore” or “radicalized”?
The NRA is, first and foremost, a firearms safety and education organization. So it is rather disingenuous to claim that they say “Guns are PERFECTLY safe” when an entire arm of the organization is dedicated to avoiding the very obvious dangers they present. You are just advancing a straw man argument because nobody is saying that guns are perfectly safe, least of all the NRA.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The fuck she was handed a mini Uzi for is beyond me, but that said a good instructor could hand a mini to 1000 kids that age and have zero “accidents”. Fuck. [/quote]
But is it still a good idea to have 9 year old girls handle a weapon that can go fully automatic?
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Depends on the kid and the instructor.
I’m not experienced enough with FA to ever attempt to instruct anyone let alone a child.
I would however have no problem working with her with a 38 or 357 and even the 12 gauge.
So it isn’t a good or bad idea as a whole, just individual.