Gun Control II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

What upsets so-called liberals, is a dictatorship is the end game, and they know it in their hearts.

They want civilian disarmed because the armed populace of America is an impediment to their goal.

They fear freedom, as it comes with responsibility.

They fear weapons, as weapons are an adult responsibility.

They want to be controlled, free from hard choices. This is the childish heart of any modern “liberal.”[/quote]

Childish, like I said, is posting holocaust memes. In fact, it doesn’t really get much more childish than that. And speaking in platitudes about an entire political party “fearing freedom.” But go on ahead.[/quote]

You are out of pocket for the suggestions you are making to a Jewish man.

The US has never had a foreign invasion (other than the 9/11 attacks), you have not seen foreign soldiers, tanks, planes, and the mass rounding up of your people. You have also not seen or heard stories of things that I am sure Jewbacca is well aware of. I cringe at the stories my grandparents told me of the Nazi invasion of Italy. I am grateful that those things have not, and hopefully will never happen here, but you must be considerate of the things others have endured.

I find your comment about this topic disrespectful and lacking foundation towards a man and a people who have endured what they have.

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This post belongs back inside the frivolous, sanctimonious ass from which it was torn. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such a cowardly sentiment put into writing on these boards.

While I think Jewbacca’s politics are one-dimensional and childish, I have all of the sympathy in the world for his ancestors and relatives and kinsman. Thank you for reminding me about the fact that he’s Jewish and Jews were killed during the holocaust, though I think I probably didn’t need it after having visited Dachau.

But if you think that should stop me from criticizing a holocaust meme he posted in the middle of a fight over guns in dorms, then I invite you to fuck yourself.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

One more thing: do not continue to fallaciously compare guns to heroin. When you do so a little “Loser” emblazoned white flag pops out the end of your figurative six-shooter and not the hypersonic, hollow point projectile you were thinking. [/quote]

I didn’t compare guns to heroin, I compared the illegal purchase of a firearm by a person who is not legally allowed to own a gun–such as an illegal immigrant or someone convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year in prison–with the illegal purchase of heroin. Because both are illegal, and neither law will ever be a perfect deterrent. Get it?

Keep up. Or at least try.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

But “no guns in dorms,” et al, is the type of precursors that eventually lead to holocausts of some shape, form or fashion. [/quote]

This is the stupidest sentence I’ve read in months.

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In case you need further assistance Push: laws against criminals buying guns and laws against people buying heroin are similar in that both stipulate something as illegal and both will not ever completely stop what it is they’re trying to deter.

That is, anybody who thinks background checks shouldn’t be instituted because “people will go to the black market” should think about why they want laws against heroin to stay on the books.

If you can read this and think, “uhhhh he’s comparin’ guns to heroin!!!” then you are growing duller over time. This is like the fourth time in three days that you’ve jumped on something that I wrote because you either didn’t really read it or didn’t understand it.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
smh said: Either let anybody who wants to buy a gun, or enforce laws against selling to people who aren’t supposed to have them.

Great point. If a law exists, it should be enforced blindly and uniformly. I agree 10,000%. That’s why I support abolishing mandatory background checks entirely. If the seller wants to sell to someone, let them. If you disagree with that seller selling, then find someone who does it differently and give him/her your business.[/quote]

See, I disagree with you completely, but I respect the fact that this is a logical and consistent opinion. It’s these people that want it to be illegal to sell to crazies and criminals and illegal aliens and yet don’t want background checks–the only measure whereby that law can be enforced–that need to figure out where they stand.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

But “no guns in dorms,” et al, is the type of precursors that eventually lead to holocausts of some shape, form or fashion. [/quote]

This is the stupidest sentence I’ve read in months.[/quote]

I’m genuinely curious why this is stupid. Do you believe background checks and the necessary registry couldn’t/won’t lead to events similar to events that occurred in Nazi Germany?

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

What upsets so-called liberals, is a dictatorship is the end game, and they know it in their hearts.

They want civilian disarmed because the armed populace of America is an impediment to their goal.

They fear freedom, as it comes with responsibility.

They fear weapons, as weapons are an adult responsibility.

They want to be controlled, free from hard choices. This is the childish heart of any modern “liberal.”[/quote]

Childish, like I said, is posting holocaust memes. In fact, it doesn’t really get much more childish than that. And speaking in platitudes about an entire political party “fearing freedom.” But go on ahead.[/quote]

You are out of pocket for the suggestions you are making to a Jewish man.

The US has never had a foreign invasion (other than the 9/11 attacks), you have not seen foreign soldiers, tanks, planes, and the mass rounding up of your people. You have also not seen or heard stories of things that I am sure Jewbacca is well aware of. I cringe at the stories my grandparents told me of the Nazi invasion of Italy. I am grateful that those things have not, and hopefully will never happen here, but you must be considerate of the things others have endured.

I find your comment about this topic disrespectful and lacking foundation towards a man and a people who have endured what they have.

[/quote]

This post belongs back inside the frivolous, sanctimonious ass from which it was torn. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such a cowardly sentiment put into writing on these boards.

While I think Jewbacca’s politics are one-dimensional and childish, I have all of the sympathy in the world for his ancestors and relatives and kinsman. Thank you for reminding me about the fact that he’s Jewish and Jews were killed during the holocaust, though I think I probably didn’t need it after having visited Dachau.

But if you think that should stop me from criticizing a holocaust meme he posted in the middle of a fight over guns in dorms, then I invite you to fuck yourself.[/quote]

I don’t know dude.

I think your smug dismissive attitude is pretty repulsive at best, and disrespectful to say the least.

There are plenty of people here who, even in the midst of a disagreement, could manage to share a beer and just chill.

You, on the other hand, are so fucking anal retentive and abrasive, had I a lump of coal to shove up your ass, it would make the hope diamond look like a prize found in a Cracker Jack’s box.

I can only hope with time, you learn to take disagreement a bit better.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

But “no guns in dorms,” et al, is the type of precursors that eventually lead to holocausts of some shape, form or fashion. [/quote]

This is the stupidest sentence I’ve read in months.[/quote]

I’m genuinely curious why this is stupid. Do you believe background checks and the necessary registry couldn’t/won’t lead to events similar to events that occurred in Nazi Germany? [/quote]

Of course they could; but not one of the steps from background checks to Nazism is logically necessary and it’s pure unadulterated bullshit to pretend otherwise. “IT ALWAYS HAPPENS!!” Some people have stuffed themselves so full of this shit that they honestly do believe that mandating that gun salesmen–who are prohibited by law from selling to criminals and aliens and crazy people anyway–check to make sure that the person they’re about to sell to is not in fact a criminal or a nutjob–they honestly believe that genocide and Stalinesque work camps must logically follow. It’s stupid.

But do this: read that quote of Push’s again. He’s not even talking about background checks. He’s talking about the “guns in dorms” thing. He’s saying that the fact that I wasn’t allowed to carry a pistol into my freshman dorm is the kind of thing that leads to the Holocaust.

And that’s really stupid.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

What upsets so-called liberals, is a dictatorship is the end game, and they know it in their hearts.

They want civilian disarmed because the armed populace of America is an impediment to their goal.

They fear freedom, as it comes with responsibility.

They fear weapons, as weapons are an adult responsibility.

They want to be controlled, free from hard choices. This is the childish heart of any modern “liberal.”[/quote]

Childish, like I said, is posting holocaust memes. In fact, it doesn’t really get much more childish than that. And speaking in platitudes about an entire political party “fearing freedom.” But go on ahead.[/quote]

You are out of pocket for the suggestions you are making to a Jewish man.

The US has never had a foreign invasion (other than the 9/11 attacks), you have not seen foreign soldiers, tanks, planes, and the mass rounding up of your people. You have also not seen or heard stories of things that I am sure Jewbacca is well aware of. I cringe at the stories my grandparents told me of the Nazi invasion of Italy. I am grateful that those things have not, and hopefully will never happen here, but you must be considerate of the things others have endured.

I find your comment about this topic disrespectful and lacking foundation towards a man and a people who have endured what they have.

[/quote]

This post belongs back inside the frivolous, sanctimonious ass from which it was torn. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen such a cowardly sentiment put into writing on these boards.

While I think Jewbacca’s politics are one-dimensional and childish, I have all of the sympathy in the world for his ancestors and relatives and kinsman. Thank you for reminding me about the fact that he’s Jewish and Jews were killed during the holocaust, though I think I probably didn’t need it after having visited Dachau.

But if you think that should stop me from criticizing a holocaust meme he posted in the middle of a fight over guns in dorms, then I invite you to fuck yourself.[/quote]

I don’t know dude.

I think your smug dismissive attitude is pretty repulsive at best, and disrespectful to say the least.

There are plenty of people here who, even in the midst of a disagreement, could manage to share a beer and just chill.

You, on the other hand, are so fucking anal retentive and abrasive, had I a lump of coal to shove up your ass, it would make the hope diamond look like a prize found in a Cracker Jack’s box.

I can only hope with time, you learn to take disagreement a bit better.
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This wasn’t disagreement, this was you ridiculously accusing me of being insensitive about genocide in the most sanctimonious way possible.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

But “no guns in dorms,” et al, is the type of precursors that eventually lead to holocausts of some shape, form or fashion. [/quote]

This is the stupidest sentence I’ve read in months.[/quote]

I’m genuinely curious why this is stupid. Do you believe background checks and the necessary registry couldn’t/won’t lead to events similar to events that occurred in Nazi Germany? [/quote]

Of course they could; but not one of the steps from background checks to Nazism is logically necessary and it’s pure unadulterated bullshit to pretend otherwise. “IT ALWAYS HAPPENS!!” Some people have stuffed themselves so full of this shit that they honestly do believe that mandating that gun salesmen–who are prohibited by law from selling to criminals and aliens and crazy people anyway–check to make sure that the person they’re about to sell to is not in fact a criminal or a nutjob–they honestly believe that genocide and Stalinesque work camps must logically follow. It’s stupid.

But do this: read that quote of Push’s again. He’s not even talking about background checks. He’s talking about the “guns in dorms” thing. He’s saying that the fact that I wasn’t allowed to carry a pistol into my freshman dorm is the kind of thing that leads to the Holocaust.

And that’s really stupid.[/quote]

I’m not going to speak for Push, my perspective is that we better (as citizens) be damn sure that the step we allow out government to take CANNOT lead to another Holocaust. Liek I said earlier background checks, given your example, will only stop about 1.2% of annual purchases. Is that enough to justify universal background checks and a registry. I say no.

I believe it is logically necessary to look at the long game because if we don’t we won’t reconize the many steps it takes to get there.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I think your smug dismissive attitude is pretty repulsive at best, and disrespectful to say the least.

[/quote]

By the way, the only reason that you and I have any kind of problem is because I caught you lying and then instead of giving in and admitting to having said something that was utter nonsense, you jumped on me with a bunch of shit about wanting to “chin-check” me. So you can haughtily pretend that everything is always peachy around here and that I’m unnecessarily aggressive, but last I checked I never did something so stupid as pretend to be threatening violence over the internet with somebody who I’ll never meet–and because that somebody had simply pointed out that I was utterly wrong, no less. Food for thought.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m not going to speak for Push, my perspective is that we better (as citizens) be damn sure that the step we allow out government to take CANNOT lead to another Holocaust. Liek I said earlier background checks, given your example, will only stop about 1.2% of annual purchases. Is that enough to justify universal background checks and a registry. I say no.

I believe it is logically necessary to look at the long game because if we don’t we won’t reconize the many steps it takes to get there. [/quote]

But the vast majority of those purchases are purchases that nobody gives a damn about anyway–purchases by good, law-abiding people. It’s only 1.2 percent of the total because 99 percent of the people who buy guns do so legally and for good reasons. It’s the one percent that we’re after here.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m not going to speak for Push, my perspective is that we better (as citizens) be damn sure that the step we allow out government to take CANNOT lead to another Holocaust. Liek I said earlier background checks, given your example, will only stop about 1.2% of annual purchases. Is that enough to justify universal background checks and a registry. I say no.

I believe it is logically necessary to look at the long game because if we don’t we won’t reconize the many steps it takes to get there. [/quote]

But the vast majority of those purchases are purchases that nobody gives a damn about anyway–purchases by good, law-abiding people. It’s only 1.2 percent of the total because 99 percent of the people who buy guns do so legally and for good reasons. It’s the one percent that we’re after here.[/quote]

How would you safeguard law abiding citizens from having their 2nd ammendment rights taken if they incorrectly fall in the 1%? How will you react if a school shooting occurs by the 1% that didn’t pass the background check? More importantnly how do you think the U.S. gov. will react?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

How would you safeguard law abiding citizens from having their 2nd ammendment rights taken if they incorrectly fall in the 1%? How will you react if a school shooting occurs by the 1% that didn’t pass the background check? More importantnly how do you think the U.S. gov. will react? [/quote]

How will they incorrectly fall into that 1 percent? You mean like a clerical mistake? Those kinds of things can be dealt with really easily.

As for the rest of it: I have not concealed the simple fact that this isn’t going to stop mass shootings.

But again, why have laws against selling guns to felons and the involuntarily institutionalized if you’re against enforcing the law? That’s like making it illegal to sell X product to Scorpios and then not making the sellers of X product check birthdates or even ask their customers if they are Scorpios. It makes not a lick of sense. Do you want to repeal those laws?

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

How will they incorrectly fall into that 1 percent? You mean like a clerical mistake? Those kinds of things can be dealt with really easily.
[/quote]

Okay, maybe I should have said people that fall into the 1% that shouldnt. Who is to decide what constitutes those too “crazy” to own a gun? The same people that are legalizing marijuana, but think steroids kill children?

Clerical errors are still an issue. Have you ever tried to get a gov. body to fix a clerical error? You’ve got a better shot at curing cancer. A clerical error no matter how quickly it’s fixed is still an infringement. Should we just accept it for the greater good?

[quote]
As for the rest of it: I have not concealed the simple fact that this isn’t going to stop mass shootings.

But again, why have laws against selling guns to felons and the involuntarily institutionalized if you’re against enforcing the law? That’s like making it illegal to sell X product to Scorpios and then not making the sellers of X product check birthdates or even ask their customers if they are Scorpios. It makes not a lick of sense. Do you want to repeal those laws?[/quote]

I’m not for laws against selling guns to felons.

Edit: So yes I want to repeal them.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

How will they incorrectly fall into that 1 percent? You mean like a clerical mistake? Those kinds of things can be dealt with really easily.
[/quote]

Okay, maybe I should have said people that fall into the 1% that shouldnt. Who is to decide what constitutes those too “crazy” to own a gun? The same people that are legalizing marijuana, but think steroids kill children?

Clerical errors are still an issue. Have you ever tried to get a gov. body to fix a clerical error? You’ve got a better shot at curing cancer. A clerical error no matter how quickly it’s fixed is still an infringement. Should we just accept it for the greater good?

[quote]
As for the rest of it: I have not concealed the simple fact that this isn’t going to stop mass shootings.

But again, why have laws against selling guns to felons and the involuntarily institutionalized if you’re against enforcing the law? That’s like making it illegal to sell X product to Scorpios and then not making the sellers of X product check birthdates or even ask their customers if they are Scorpios. It makes not a lick of sense. Do you want to repeal those laws?[/quote]

I’m not for laws against selling guns to felons.

Edit: So yes I want to repeal them.[/quote]

Well, the “who decides?” question is important, but somebody has to.

Not many people believe that somebody fresh out of involuntary institutionalization should be buying a gun. Do you think that that should be legal?

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

How will they incorrectly fall into that 1 percent? You mean like a clerical mistake? Those kinds of things can be dealt with really easily.
[/quote]

Okay, maybe I should have said people that fall into the 1% that shouldnt. Who is to decide what constitutes those too “crazy” to own a gun? The same people that are legalizing marijuana, but think steroids kill children?

Clerical errors are still an issue. Have you ever tried to get a gov. body to fix a clerical error? You’ve got a better shot at curing cancer. A clerical error no matter how quickly it’s fixed is still an infringement. Should we just accept it for the greater good?

[quote]
As for the rest of it: I have not concealed the simple fact that this isn’t going to stop mass shootings.

But again, why have laws against selling guns to felons and the involuntarily institutionalized if you’re against enforcing the law? That’s like making it illegal to sell X product to Scorpios and then not making the sellers of X product check birthdates or even ask their customers if they are Scorpios. It makes not a lick of sense. Do you want to repeal those laws?[/quote]

I’m not for laws against selling guns to felons.

Edit: So yes I want to repeal them.[/quote]

Well, the “who decides?” question is important, but somebody has to.

Not many people believe that somebody fresh out of involuntary institutionalization should be buying a gun. Do you think that that should be legal?[/quote]

I think that if an inmate does his time and completes his parole then yes he/she should be afforded all constitutional rights. The point is for these people to rehabilitate and re-assimilate into society after all. If their crimes are so heinous that an average ordinary person would not feel they should be afforded their rights then we should just execute them, imo. If they can’t complete their parole throw them back into jail.

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“The who decided” is my main issue. The people who decide in my state have already made “assualt rifles” illegal and now I’m required to be finger printed and have a license to own a hand gun in MD. If my legislators are the one that decide, shit taking creatine will likely DQ you…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
“The who decided” is my main issue. The people who decide in my state have already made “assualt rifles” illegal and now I’m required to be finger printed and have a license to own a hand gun in MD. If my legislators are the one that decide, shit taking creatine will likely DQ you…[/quote]

Reasonable concerns. But what about the involuntary institutionalization thing? I mean, somebody with serious antisocial personality disorder.