Why would someone who does not conform to social constructs simply leave the theater? Do you do so quietly? Why?
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…these examples do not possess the same social impact religion has, nor do these examples possess the same value many believers attach to their religion…[/quote]
Bullshit. Those examples are all showing that you DO subdue yourself quite a bit to be a part of society.
Wait, so at your job, you simply ENJOY every single task asked of you and aren’t doing such because of any social obligation required to keep that job?[/quote]
…you may not distinguish between social interaction and religion, but i do. For me, religious socialising would not be part of standard social interaction, but something special. It seems, from your reactions, that for both you and Sloth religious social interaction is simply part of everyday social interaction, and you may do that as a form of fitting-in just as easily as waiting in line for your hamburger…
…see, because that’s something outside of my scope of experience, because people here tend to go to church for Christmas, weddings or funeral and not for anything else, i just didn’t realise what i just realised: religion can be just something you do…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…i don’t question your motives just for a laugh. I ask you to explain yourself about these things to gain a better understanding of a mindset that’s different from my own. And that’s all i’ve been doing in almost every thread on PWI…
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Awww, no worries. If I was ever to let myself be friends with an atheist, you’d be at the top of the list!
Oh stop, I’m kidding about the “If I was ever to let myself be friends with an atheist” part…
…who the heck would ever want to be friends with an atheist![/quote]
Why would someone who does not conform to social constructs simply leave the theater? Do you do so quietly? Why?
Ok, I don’t subdue myself to social expectations. I fibbed. I consider myself an atheist that chooses to believe in God. And, specifically the theology of the Catholic church. Take that, you damn social conventions and labels! You hear me?! Atheists can believe in God too!
Why would someone who does not conform to social constructs simply leave the theater? Do you do so quietly? Why?
Ok, I don’t subdue myself to social expectations. I fibbed. I consider myself an atheist that chooses to believe in God. And, specifically the theology of the Catholic church. Take that, you damn social conventions and labels! You hear me?! Atheists can believe in God too![/quote]
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
Why would someone who does not conform to social constructs simply leave the theater? Do you do so quietly? Why?
Ok, I don’t subdue myself to social expectations. I fibbed. I consider myself an atheist that chooses to believe in God. And, specifically the theology of the Catholic church. Take that, you damn social conventions and labels! You hear me?! Atheists can believe in God too![/quote]
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.
[quote]Professor X wrote:<<< I am not the one trying to degrade someone else’s beliefs. YOU ARE. >>>[/quote]Doc it is wonderful to see you here. You know I mean that. However, I would be remiss in my duties as both a Christian and a man if I did not tell you outright that I doubt if anybody here is less tolerant of the views of others than myself. By that I mean as recognizing them as legitimate. I have no animosity toward anybody, but I do believe down to the marrow of my bones that God Himself has spoken clearly and unequivocally about anything that matters and everybody else is wrong. (yes, I’m quite aware that other people believe that too) That said, I assure you I am still training hard as ever. Back bi’s and abs right now.
There you go. I hope you folks don’t insist on your atheist friends not believing in God.[/quote]
…nah, prosylitising is for religious folk only…[/quote]
You’re joking, right?[/quote]
…no, most atheists are reactionary in the sense that their atheism came about in respons to religion. Instead of actively trying to convert someone to a religion, atheism is often a personal discovery outside of a context where atheism is actively promoted. This does not mean that someone in doubt won’t talk with atheist, and that those atheists try to guide those who doubt towards reason, but prosyletising? No…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…
There you go. I hope you folks don’t insist on your atheist friends not believing in God.[/quote]
…nah, prosylitising is for religious folk only…[/quote]
You’re joking, right?[/quote]
…no, most atheists are reactionary in the sense that their atheism came about in respons to religion. Instead of actively trying to convert someone to a religion, atheism is often a personal discovery outside of a context where atheism is actively promoted. This does not mean that someone in doubt won’t talk with atheist, and that those atheists try to guide those who doubt towards reason, but prosyletising? No…
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Prosyletising is merely trying to convince someone of your point of you that will in effect change their behaviour and accept a different ideal. I see atheists do this shit all the time. It semantics really, but don’t tell me that you lot don’t do it.
Second, reason doesn’t equal Atheism. Atheism is the less reasonable choice. You cannot arrive at nothingness by a mere exercise of pure reason. Oh, you can try, but inevitably you’ll fail. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
Atheists make the grave mistake of always looking toward what is, to prove what isn’t. That doesn’t work.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…[/quote]
What are you referring to as paradoxical? Are you saying that the objects of paradoxes don’t exist?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…[/quote]
Here I am throwing off social covention, not subduing myself to other people’s expectations, and I still can’t earn your approval! What…must…I…do!!1!
There you go. I hope you folks don’t insist on your atheist friends not believing in God.[/quote]
…nah, prosylitising is for religious folk only…[/quote]
You’re joking, right?[/quote]
…no, most atheists are reactionary in the sense that their atheism came about in respons to religion. Instead of actively trying to convert someone to a religion, atheism is often a personal discovery outside of a context where atheism is actively promoted. This does not mean that someone in doubt won’t talk with atheist, and that those atheists try to guide those who doubt towards reason, but prosyletising? No…
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Prosyletising is merely trying to convince someone of your point of you that will in effect change their behaviour and accept a different ideal. I see atheists do this shit all the time. It semantics really, but don’t tell me that you lot don’t do it.
Second, reason doesn’t equal Atheism. Atheism is the less reasonable choice. You cannot arrive at nothingness by a mere exercise of pure reason. Oh, you can try, but inevitably you’ll fail. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
Atheists make the grave mistake of always looking toward what is, to prove what isn’t. That doesn’t work.[/quote]
…you do not see atheists go door to door prosyletising, or stand on streetcorners shouting “the end is nigh!”. There are no atheist t.v. channels spreading the atheist word. The wellknown atheist activist, Dawkings and Hitchens et al, are dwarfed in numbers compared to religious zealots, solicitors and what not. You are far from reasonable to suggest anything else pat…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…[/quote]
Here I am throwing off social covention, not subduing myself to other people’s expectations, and I still can’t earn your approval! What…must…I…do!!1![/quote]
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
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I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…[/quote]
What are you referring to as paradoxical? Are you saying that the objects of paradoxes don’t exist?[/quote]
…the semantical paradox; god believing vs. atheist…
There you go. I hope you folks don’t insist on your atheist friends not believing in God.[/quote]
…nah, prosylitising is for religious folk only…[/quote]
You’re joking, right?[/quote]
…no, most atheists are reactionary in the sense that their atheism came about in respons to religion. Instead of actively trying to convert someone to a religion, atheism is often a personal discovery outside of a context where atheism is actively promoted. This does not mean that someone in doubt won’t talk with atheist, and that those atheists try to guide those who doubt towards reason, but prosyletising? No…
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Prosyletising is merely trying to convince someone of your point of you that will in effect change their behaviour and accept a different ideal. I see atheists do this shit all the time. It semantics really, but don’t tell me that you lot don’t do it.
Second, reason doesn’t equal Atheism. Atheism is the less reasonable choice. You cannot arrive at nothingness by a mere exercise of pure reason. Oh, you can try, but inevitably you’ll fail. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
Atheists make the grave mistake of always looking toward what is, to prove what isn’t. That doesn’t work.[/quote]
…you do not see atheists go door to door prosyletising, or stand on streetcorners shouting “the end is nigh!”. There are no atheist t.v. channels spreading the atheist word. The wellknown atheist activist, Dawkings and Hitchens et al, are dwarfed in numbers compared to religious zealots, solicitors and what not. You are far from reasonable to suggest anything else pat…
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There are atheist billboards advertising atheism, atheism adverts on busses on such. There are 11 atheist billboards advertising that there is no God right here in Atlanta. Not much different than yelling on a street corner, which I seldom see anyway.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…you seem confused Sloth. I worry about you sometimes…
[/quote]
I’m just throwing off those chains of social expectations, refusing to subdue myself to other people. Therefore, I reject your social conventions and substitue my own. I’m a God believing, church attending, atheist.[/quote]
…ofcourse, you, as a believer, are already primed to accept paradoxes as truth, or as real; so i’m not surprised you’d say this, at all…[/quote]
What are you referring to as paradoxical? Are you saying that the objects of paradoxes don’t exist?[/quote]
…the semantical paradox; god believing vs. atheist…[/quote]
That’s not paradoxical, if you simultaneously believed and disbelieved in the existence of God, that would be a paradox.
…you do not see atheists go door to door prosyletising, or stand on streetcorners shouting “the end is nigh!”. There are no atheist t.v. channels spreading the atheist word. The wellknown atheist activist, Dawkings and Hitchens et al, are dwarfed in numbers compared to religious zealots, solicitors and what not. You are far from reasonable to suggest anything else pat…
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There are atheist billboards advertising atheism, atheism adverts on busses on such. There are 50 atheist billboards advertising that there is no God right here in Atlanta. Not much different than yelling on a street corner, which I seldom see anyway.
This is prosyletising, would you disagree?[/quote]
…those billboards aren’t outright affirmative claims meant to convert, are they? They are “suggestions”, but i admit, the “suggestions” have a purpose. Atheism still has a long way to go before you can claim atheists prosylitise though. Perhaps it’ll get there in time, but it’s all very coy and understated, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before you see me knocking on doors to talk about the glory that’s atheism…