…thank you T…
Detroiters May Lose Right to Garden
…will this affect you, T?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…thank you T…[/quote]The pleasure is all mine.
No, the bill which will almost certainly not pass anyway would not be binding in Redford where I live which borders Detroit, but only has an actual population of like 45,000. How did you manage to dig something like that up?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…thank you T…[/quote]The pleasure is all mine.
No, the bill which will almost certainly not pass anyway would not be binding in Redford where I live which borders Detroit, but only has an actual population of like 45,000. How did you manage to dig something like that up?
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…well, that’s good then. No, not Digg; Reddit…
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Funny how right wingers are typically both religious and racist. Arent they technically called the “Christian White Knights of the KKK”?
This whole “Well the whole world would be a better place if everyone were Christian” nonsense is nonsense.[/quote]
Hitler claimed to be a Christian, too. Because both groups are really Christian like.[/quote]
Hitler has his salad tossed by the Catholic Church on a daily basis. He was a Christian, as devoted as the rest, at least in the earlier days of his atrocities before he started incorporating tribal religions and merging them to make his own. Pretty much all the antisemitism was inherited from Christianity.
Without religion, you lose a lot of the markers that cause division, plain and simple.[/quote]
Your statement about antisemitism maybe partially true. I don’t think the Catholic Church tossed Hitler’s salad. However, the fact remains that the people in the Church someones are fallible. Big deal we say this everyday. And the truth remains that the Catholic Church has its origins in Jewish culture.
Why were there so many Hebrew Catholics after WWII if we were antisemitic?
Why does it say in the CCC that in order to fully understand the Catholic faith you have to understand the Jewish faith?
[quote]storey420 wrote:
atheists have the same odds of “picking the winner” I suppose but I find it kind of sad that people don’t at least believe there is something greater out there, shit believe in the force before you believe there is no greater entity[/quote]
That’s like having the possible answers (with one being true) A, B, C, D, and choosing E.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…hmm, i don’t think i meant to write exactly that T, so don’t get your hopes up, lol…[/quote]Ohhhh, my hopes are always up my friend. I prayed for you for quite a while just this morning during my pre-dawn walk with God and my dog. Sloth too. And Pat and Brother Chris and Katzenjammer and Push and Mike and Cockney Blue and FightingIrish and Cappednplanit (however he spells that), but this morning you and AlisaV got the most attention. Other times it’s somebody else. It depends on how the Spirit leads (I don’t pray the same things for all of these folks btw)
Would it kill ya to download and listen my pastor? I watched your movie didn’t I? I even watched Religulous on Mike’s recommendation though I owned it already. I have no illusions about your response, but I am interested. [/quote]
You are storing up treasure in heaven my friend. 
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…so it’s all about the pay-off then?
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I think you’re a little off kilter here with this comment. We as Christians are commanded to store treasures in Heaven, opposed to storing up treasures on earth; storing treasures up on earth is the same as making false idols.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Detroiters May Lose Right to Garden
…will this affect you, T?[/quote]
I’ll say this, with the Urban farming equipment that I have donated, I’ll be seriously upset if this goes threw. I know of a few families that subsist off a 4 foot by 4 foot garden. I know a few that have made life better for their whole community by replicating it to offer young men jobs and become businessmen.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…hmm, i don’t think i meant to write exactly that T, so don’t get your hopes up, lol…[/quote]Ohhhh, my hopes are always up my friend. I prayed for you for quite a while just this morning during my pre-dawn walk with God and my dog. Sloth too. And Pat and Brother Chris and Katzenjammer and Push and Mike and Cockney Blue and FightingIrish and Cappednplanit (however he spells that), but this morning you and AlisaV got the most attention. Other times it’s somebody else. It depends on how the Spirit leads (I don’t pray the same things for all of these folks btw)
Would it kill ya to download and listen my pastor? I watched your movie didn’t I? I even watched Religulous on Mike’s recommendation though I owned it already. I have no illusions about your response, but I am interested. [/quote]
You are storing up treasure in heaven my friend.
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…so it’s all about the pay-off then?
[/quote]
I think you’re a little off kilter here with this comment. We as Christians are commanded to store treasures in Heaven, opposed to storing up treasures on earth; storing treasures up on earth is the same as making false idols. [/quote]
…tell that to the Vatican; they’re awfully rich and don’t mind avoiding taxes if they can: Suspected money-laundering at Vatican bank
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
atheists have the same odds of “picking the winner” I suppose but I find it kind of sad that people don’t at least believe there is something greater out there, shit believe in the force before you believe there is no greater entity[/quote]
That’s like having the possible answers (with one being true) A, B, C, D, and choosing E. [/quote]
Don’t follow you? Unless you mean not accepting the ones put before you but E is equally as plausible a solution and choosing that one then yes I agree and i"ll take E Alex because I’m not aware of anyone killing each other in the name of E being the right answer, not so much for A,B,C,D
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
atheists have the same odds of “picking the winner” I suppose but I find it kind of sad that people don’t at least believe there is something greater out there, shit believe in the force before you believe there is no greater entity[/quote]
That’s like having the possible answers (with one being true) A, B, C, D, and choosing E. [/quote]
Don’t follow you? Unless you mean not accepting the ones put before you but E is equally as plausible a solution and choosing that one then yes I agree and i"ll take E Alex because I’m not aware of anyone killing each other in the name of E being the right answer, not so much for A,B,C,D[/quote]
Well if we are talking about killing people in the name of…then atheists take the cake…still.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…hmm, i don’t think i meant to write exactly that T, so don’t get your hopes up, lol…[/quote]Ohhhh, my hopes are always up my friend. I prayed for you for quite a while just this morning during my pre-dawn walk with God and my dog. Sloth too. And Pat and Brother Chris and Katzenjammer and Push and Mike and Cockney Blue and FightingIrish and Cappednplanit (however he spells that), but this morning you and AlisaV got the most attention. Other times it’s somebody else. It depends on how the Spirit leads (I don’t pray the same things for all of these folks btw)
Would it kill ya to download and listen my pastor? I watched your movie didn’t I? I even watched Religulous on Mike’s recommendation though I owned it already. I have no illusions about your response, but I am interested. [/quote]
You are storing up treasure in heaven my friend.
[/quote]
…so it’s all about the pay-off then?
[/quote]
I think you’re a little off kilter here with this comment. We as Christians are commanded to store treasures in Heaven, opposed to storing up treasures on earth; storing treasures up on earth is the same as making false idols. [/quote]
…tell that to the Vatican; they’re awfully rich and don’t mind avoiding taxes if they can: http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0921/vatican.html[/quote]
You do realise that is a bank right? That is not the Vatican’s money (well some of it is, but it is a deposit/loan bank). But, I digress.
You still misread what I said. We are commanded, not that we all do store treasures in Heaven. Those bankers, if what is said is true I am not sure how it is Italy’s problem since Vatican City is a sovereign nation. I am not up on the current Vatican bank, so I cannot comment further. Same with the perversion in the Church recently, people were not doing what was commanded of them. Yes, we can say they were mentally faulty, not of their own accord. Whatever, someone did not do as they were commanded. They did not do what they were supposed to do. That still does not mean that Christians are not commanded and some actually do as they are commanded.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
You do realise that is a bank right? That is not the Vatican’s money (well some of it is, but it is a deposit/loan bank). But, I digress.
You still misread what I said. We are commanded, not that we all do store treasures in Heaven. Those bankers, if what is said is true I am not sure how it is Italy’s problem since Vatican City is a sovereign nation. I am not up on the current Vatican bank, so I cannot comment further. Same with the perversion in the Church recently, people were not doing what was commanded of them. Yes, we can say they were mentally faulty, not of their own accord. Whatever, someone did not do as they were commanded. They did not do what they were supposed to do. That still does not mean that Christians are not commanded and some actually do as they are commanded.[/quote]
…yes, you are commanded by people who think nothing of it to do the opposite. It’s “do as i say, not as i do”. Now that in itself does not mean that what you believe is nonsense, but it does pose one question: if those in charge of your religion don’t, or won’t, follow the commandments imposed on them by their own holy book, yet admonishes it’s believers to follow those commandments; why be a part of that?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
atheists have the same odds of “picking the winner” I suppose but I find it kind of sad that people don’t at least believe there is something greater out there, shit believe in the force before you believe there is no greater entity[/quote]
That’s like having the possible answers (with one being true) A, B, C, D, and choosing E. [/quote]
Don’t follow you? Unless you mean not accepting the ones put before you but E is equally as plausible a solution and choosing that one then yes I agree and i"ll take E Alex because I’m not aware of anyone killing each other in the name of E being the right answer, not so much for A,B,C,D[/quote]
Well if we are talking about killing people in the name of…then atheists take the cake…still.[/quote]
No.
Atheism always was a means to an end, never an end in and of itself.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
You do realise that is a bank right? That is not the Vatican’s money (well some of it is, but it is a deposit/loan bank). But, I digress.
You still misread what I said. We are commanded, not that we all do store treasures in Heaven. Those bankers, if what is said is true I am not sure how it is Italy’s problem since Vatican City is a sovereign nation. I am not up on the current Vatican bank, so I cannot comment further. Same with the perversion in the Church recently, people were not doing what was commanded of them. Yes, we can say they were mentally faulty, not of their own accord. Whatever, someone did not do as they were commanded. They did not do what they were supposed to do. That still does not mean that Christians are not commanded and some actually do as they are commanded.[/quote]
…yes, you are commanded by people who think nothing of it to do the opposite. It’s “do as i say, not as i do”. Now that in itself does not mean that what you believe is nonsense, but it does pose one question: if those in charge of your religion don’t, or won’t, follow the commandments imposed on them by their own holy book, yet admonishes it’s believers to follow those commandments; why be a part of that?
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The question you pose is the reason for a lot of turmoil in Protestant congregations. They find out that some of their members are less than perfect and they go to another congregation. The reason why I am a Catholic and stay a Catholic is because through studying historical and biblical documents I found that the Church that Jesus created was the Catholic Church. That Rome had significance and it wasn’t haphazardly chosen to be the center of the Church.
Your question though, may externally look simple. However, is a complex philosophical question.
However, I will give you a quick simple answer. Salvation can only come through the Church. The Church has no barring dictated by who is in charge. The Church (those who are in communion with the Church) is not dictated to be right or wrong by who leads the Church. The Church is always right. There is way more to this answer than that, but I’ll have to refrain from further discussion unless you wish to continue.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
atheists have the same odds of “picking the winner” I suppose but I find it kind of sad that people don’t at least believe there is something greater out there, shit believe in the force before you believe there is no greater entity[/quote]
That’s like having the possible answers (with one being true) A, B, C, D, and choosing E. [/quote]
Don’t follow you? Unless you mean not accepting the ones put before you but E is equally as plausible a solution and choosing that one then yes I agree and i"ll take E Alex because I’m not aware of anyone killing each other in the name of E being the right answer, not so much for A,B,C,D[/quote]
Well if we are talking about killing people in the name of…then atheists take the cake…still.[/quote]
No.
Atheism always was a means to an end, never an end in and of itself.
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Christianity is a means, as well. The end, in the case of Christianity, is eternal happiness. And, I am sorry, I do not see many people going around and killing people in the name of eternal happiness.
[quote]orion wrote:
Atheism always was a means to an end, never an end in and of itself.
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Yeah, you could go at it like that. However, then Christianity is excused even moreso from the wrongs which’ve been committed in it’s name. After all, atheism is simply a disbelief in the divine. Atheism is obviously not a moral code in of itself. Therefore, on it’s own, it does not bar coversion through force or other nastiness. Oppressive state atheism, is still atheism. The atheist shooting a christian school mate for refusing to deny Christ, has not left the atheist reservation. Christians on the otherhand can do nothing else if rejected, but shake the dust from their sandals and move on. Anything else is not Christ-like, nor keeps to his teachings and instruction.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
<<< Anything else is not Christ-like, nor keeps to his teachings and instruction.[/quote]This is quite true, but some of these guys will just not to see it. Racism is anti biblical and anti Christian. As is private law enforcement and conversion by conquest for instance. Unbelievers just refuse to recognize that there are objectively identifiable Christian principles the violation of which exclude the errant practitioner from a legitimate claim on Christ. Many of these even rabid fundies like me and committed catholics like you actually agree on. Like abortion. It is not possible to endorse abortion on demand and maintain a credible Christian testimony. It just isn’t.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
You do realise that is a bank right? That is not the Vatican’s money (well some of it is, but it is a deposit/loan bank). But, I digress.
You still misread what I said. We are commanded, not that we all do store treasures in Heaven. Those bankers, if what is said is true I am not sure how it is Italy’s problem since Vatican City is a sovereign nation. I am not up on the current Vatican bank, so I cannot comment further. Same with the perversion in the Church recently, people were not doing what was commanded of them. Yes, we can say they were mentally faulty, not of their own accord. Whatever, someone did not do as they were commanded. They did not do what they were supposed to do. That still does not mean that Christians are not commanded and some actually do as they are commanded.[/quote]
…yes, you are commanded by people who think nothing of it to do the opposite. It’s “do as i say, not as i do”. Now that in itself does not mean that what you believe is nonsense, but it does pose one question: if those in charge of your religion don’t, or won’t, follow the commandments imposed on them by their own holy book, yet admonishes it’s believers to follow those commandments; why be a part of that?
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The question you pose is the reason for a lot of turmoil in Protestant congregations. They find out that some of their members are less than perfect and they go to another congregation. The reason why I am a Catholic and stay a Catholic is because through studying historical and biblical documents I found that the Church that Jesus created was the Catholic Church. That Rome had significance and it wasn’t haphazardly chosen to be the center of the Church.
Your question though, may externally look simple. However, is a complex philosophical question.
However, I will give you a quick simple answer. Salvation can only come through the Church. The Church has no barring dictated by who is in charge. The Church (those who are in communion with the Church) is not dictated to be right or wrong by who leads the Church. The Church is always right. There is way more to this answer than that, but I’ll have to refrain from further discussion unless you wish to continue.[/quote]
…the church is defined by the people who govern it, and it’s value is defined by the people who grant it it’s power. Without people nothing has value. The Church does not exist as an entity without people. You subdue yourself to people. Why?